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Camelot Unchained: Tech Demo Shows 10k NPCs On Screen Simultaneously
SBFord
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The Camelot Unchained team has released a new tech demo that shows off some proprietary tech being used to create the game. The demo shows ten thousand characters simultaneously walking around. Check it out!
Source OnRPG.comhttp://www.onrpg.com
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Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
You do realize this is just a tech demo right? They used a character model from their mobile game to demonstrate some of the rendering power of their in-house developed engine. They have said there will be similar demos with actual CU models at a later time.
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lol, imagine the lag and fps in a full rendered game.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I am well aware of that. Did you hear what the dev said? "We won't have the best lighting, and our environments will be a little sparse. Our characters will not be the most detailed". He said it himself.
http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/
Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
Will be pledging soon but this didn't get me all too excited. I did have a rather long post but I'll just list some positives/negatives.
+ Opening "Camelot Unchained" animation
+ Developer commentary was easy to understand/follow and documented well (felt very professional)
+ Like the idea of seeing bits of the tech going into the game
- In this case, the tech is being presented outside the scope of actual gameplay (the beef). Using a work-in-progress model from the game in the demo would have been a much nicer touch.
and you realize they said they werent developing an 'in house engine' right? they are borrwoing almost all there assests from other games.
That doesn't mean it's going to "look terrible." If you're one of those people that doesn't enjoy a game unless it has the very best, top of the line skyrim graphics or whatever then this is probably not the game for you. It's a trade off. You can't have the best graphics and then have a lot of characters on screen at once.. it just doesn't work that way.
The demo is fun to see, but without any character models on it or a engine with game content involved it doesn't have any value.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Watching the DEMO gives me no confidence in this developer at all. It is like them saying, 'Look how crappy our tech is but it is our tech'. If you can't be the best don't do it at all.
I don't know, we're not at the point technologically to be able to play in massive thousands vs. thousands battles ala the Siege of Helms Deep or the Battle for Minas Tirith from the LOTRO movies...
Until we can get that kind of scale, without having to sacrifice the graphical quality - count me out.
I prefer ample quantity and quality of small to medium sized group content anyway.
As the tech stands right now, too much is given up to allow for massive scale like this.
Maybe that makes me a graphics snob, but I think more so it makes me a content quality snob - and the more players you add to a situation, the more it just becomes a zerg.
Proven time, and time, and time, and time, and time, and time again throughout the history of MMO gaming.
Why?
Players don't form ranks, utilize formations and tactical maneuvers.
They just zerg rush each other, or stand off at range plinking back and forth with magic/projectiles.
It's totally, 100% super, super lame.
To build an entire game around it.. well... good luck!
Once you get a PvP group to more than say 10-12 players, all coordination and tactial play just breaks down.
LOL. Skyrim is not overly great either. You really need to download another 10gigs of textures and enb to make it look great. Even discounting that though graphics DO matter. Graphics themselves are arguably just as important as aesthetic. Personally, I have a nice box, and I do enjoy looking at nice things. When choosing a new game nicer looking is a consideration.
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Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
You're obviously against the whole RvR concept then.. so I don't know why you're even here no offense.
Once again, probably not the game for you then. Personally, I'd prefer slightly lesser quality graphics with better gameplay. I mean, it's not like it's going to be 2d or some shit.. it's still going to look decent at least.
I made this exact point in another thread. Another thing people aren't taking into account is network latency. There are already games that can render more characters on screen than the network can effectively handle. This is going to be a gigantic warping zerg-fest.
'10.000 dots' moving around is a bit different then a fully rendered game.
Also, be cautious because they will show it on a internal run network on highend machines with 0 lag.
I hope they can pull this off what you said....but I will be impressed if it would be on a external based working client with avg 50-200 ping.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Because I think RvR is best done in coordinated, tactical groups of 8-12 players not zerg rushes of hundreds/thousands.
I've been there, done that - for far, far too long.
Small to medium size group play is ALWAYS more engaging.
Sure, it doesn't have the "cool" factor of looking around and seeing hundreds by your side, but smaller groups of coordinated players communicating via chat in open world warfare is really the pinaccle of MMO PvP.
As far as I have seen we have no idea what it is going to look like. This video certainly does not inspire confidence.
http://chroniclesofthenerds.com/nerdfight/
Y U NO FLIP TABLE?!?!?!
Well its a huge upgrade from DAOC
Remember characters would "ghost" for a long stretch, then reappear where they were supposed to be.
Absolutely agree. Having a large number of players on the screen doesn't equate to fun PvP. In most cases, large scale battles simply come down to who has more people, there's absolutely no strategy or tactics involved.
DAOC had awful netcode, characters would ghost etc, like I just said.
CU will have better netcode than other mmorpgs it seems.
It kinda should keep some of the bad netcode to make it feel like DAOC?
:P
[quote]Originally posted by fat_taddler
[b][quote]Absolutely agree. Having a large number of players on the screen doesn't equate to fun PvP. In most cases, large scale battles simply come down to who has more people, there's absolutely no strategy or tactics involved.
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Right. Most massive PVP battles above a certain number usually end in area specials spams which ruin the fun for many. If those effects are not ingame then it ends without any coordination and ram the keyboard buttons mindlessly till you die.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
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