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It comes down to UW missing a TON of features and content and 11days til launch.
These are features that were suppose to be in the game 6+months ago and still are no where to be found.
Given the long track record of AV and delays and failures to produce. I would say it is safe to assume more of the same from AV and another failure of a game when it goes live.
That is mainly confirming the missing features are actually missing..
Saying that yup feature will be added after release does not make them no longer missing...
So thanks a lot for confirming that DF:UW will release with lots of major features missing..
I played all Darkfall 1 and have been actively playtesting Darkfall Unholy Wars beta.
The list does indeed contain many clearly dishonest information, so it is not hard to tell it is meant to harm rather than to inform.
BUT, yes, there are many features missing at the moment and will be missing the first month or so after launch. Since it is a PvP/conquest game, Adventurine is guessing the game will thrive nonetheless while they add in the missing Schools*, slowly add in ships for example.
* ( Each of the four Roles has 4 Schools containing 5 powers each. But the Roles currently have two Schools out of four for the moment. The others might be in for launch.)
Should they launch now ?
I personally think they should not launch now, as you only get one chance to make a first impression when tons of people from Steam will try the game. Not to mention the marketing will therefore continue to be lacking. But they are a small company and I am guessing they need funds to continue (it has been almost 6 months since DF1 players paid the subscriptions).
What is this game and why play it ?
As for the hater who, in this thread, has gratuitously insulted players trying DF:UW, I should not respond to such a lack of argument/relevance, but I will remind others that FPS-PvP games of the fantasy-medieval genre are rare and Darkfall is very different. Of course, new games are moving away from the WOW model and may soon compete with the Darkfall niche, but it remains to be seen.
Very sandbox : In general, it is good to know there is little to no questing content, lore or storyline. The game is about players, mostly joined to clans, that wage sieges and raids. Many travel the world solo and go out for small group PvP and PvE (both at the same time really).
So players in Darkfall enjoy the risks, fear factor and the adrenaline of group PvP. I, for one, am terrible at such games in comparison to players of the more recent generations (i.e. I'm old), but yet I find this game to be like an extreme sport: it requires a lot of skill and practice. It is challenging.
Some are also dedicated crafters.
In DF1, some actually liked the PvE as the creatures were more dynamic and less idiotic than most MMOs. In the new DFUW, I find the PvE too easy.
All in all
AV, or Tasos, has greatly improved the community communications or relation this last week.
The developers have made radical changes in order to adapt or respond to the player community. For example, the new Prowess system (which is like experience points really) has cancelled the conflict between players who "macroed" (automated repetitious actions while AFK) and those that don't.
The game is now playable and looks good.
The grind is much less than DF1 (incomparable): you can be PvP viable in a week or so (not uber or maxed, but viable). There still is a grind in my opinion if you really want to develop your character quickly, but otherwise you can just play the game and not seek to grind as such; it will take you a good while to have high attributes, BUT your real skills count a lot more.
Yeah the this is an all new game gets me-if so why not leave the original game running for those who prefered it, like EQ and EQ 2 are both still running and EQ 2 is an all new game.
The money i spent on DF1 was the best money i ever spent in a video game and ill be happily spending money for DFUW as well.
I much prefer spending my money on something so unique like Darkfall, than on shitty overhyped clones like GW2, SWTOR, etc.
Despite that i don't agree with the non-sandbox direction Darkfall UW took i can't recommended this game if core features are missing.
It can't be repeated enough.... core features are missing >.< !
PS: AV is not known for implementing promised features after launch rather they don't talk about them again is AV's known pattern.
Remember the promised demi gods ? a core PvE element ? gone it is....and suddenly "it was never promised for UW"..
You are in for such type of lies buying into DF UW.
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That list could go on and on and you arer so right.... They are great at the bait and switch.... Heck the missing roles they ninja edited OFF their site; would not shock me if they enver put them in and said we have all the classes inw hat are you talking about those roles....
What up greymoor!!
Fact of the matter is AV has confirmed so much is not ready for launch but will be in after... Were you around the first launch of the original game when the same thing was said... That "after launch" turned out to be a good couple of months or in some cases was never put in period...
Dumbest thing that AV could have done is confirm themselves they are launching a half-assed MOD of the original Darkfall. It is not a brand new game if you look at it deep enough - just a mod.....
2 years of no updates to the game that players were paying monthly for followed by delay delay delay delay darkfall 2010 darkfall arena, darkfall 2.0 delay , then shutdown for darkfall uw..... That kind of destroys a playerbase that was already way to small for the server.
i agree, they should have done that.
i'm sure they are worried it will fracture their player based (and it would), but when the 2 are so different from each other, it'd be the right thing to do.
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And Greymoor wonders why no one has any faith in AVs "soon after release" promises for DFUW.
The current " brief " beta turning into 5+ months after being advertised as being ready in November should be enough.
I think it was said pretty well here in this thread:
~IF~ so many things are going to be added "immediately after the launch" why would'nt you hold off release so they can be added pre-launch?
https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?361144-IF-so-many-things-are-going-to-be-added-quot-immediately-after-the-launch-quot
Also, the original Mr White embarassment thread is here:
Post titled Confirmed Missing Features - Addressed
https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?361102-Post-titled-Confirmed-Missing-Features-Addressed
The first thread is a very good question and deserves an answer, (given AV track record )yet it was quickly derailed into attacks on other posters. Guess there no room for logic on the DF forums.
Yup as you and Hancakes and you have posted - great question!! IF ths stuff is ready for immediate relese then delay launch a week or two... That is not long at all if ALL these featurs are ready.....
Darkfall was good. The players made the community bad. Also the game wasn't sandbox, but that doesn't mean it's auto bad. It was pretty good. If it had different server PvP rulesets, that game would be a huge hit. Also bit more sand to make it Sandpark at least.
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so the defense is...
mostly added after launch
so this disgruntled person is basically correct?
saw a heck of a lot of green responses stating "added shortly after launch"
from the sheer number - what is exactly in at launch?
Pretty much - also go read the "History of Broken Promises" in this forum to give you an idea how quickly they put in stuff... Many months or even never.....
Summed up perfectly by TenLoves
Originally Posted by TenLoves
I like how you are saying that this is a new game and "good" things from the old game shouldnt be in the game. I mean come on? You guys destroyed the game we all loved. I had 60 guys starting the beta back in decemember, which of exactly 0 are still playing as of today. I think in total about 5 of our guys plan to play at launch. The sole reason people are interested in DFUW is because Darkfall 1 was a beast of a game with no updates or content added in its last two years of its life. You get it? The reason people ARE playing your game, for the most part, is because they loved or used to love Darkfall 1.
You describe a sloppy UI, a shitty radial menu and a bad bank and bagpack system as the posters "opinion"? Let me tell you, thats not just the posters opinion, those are a few of the reasons my whole clan is not touching the game and I know as a fact that many others arent playing precisely because some of those reasons as well.
The classes are extremely unbalanced, thats what you get. Let me tell you community sir, when you only have less or half of the classes in, you cannot balance it because nobody knows what is going to come of the other classes. On top of that, as a matter of fact, class systems do not belong in sandbox games. Have you guys read your own suggestion forum over the years? People have been asking for a skillcap system for so many times and even WARNED you guys that classes will result in a rock, paper and scissor game(BlueOreo). Why didnt you guys just kept it with the prestige classes or with a skillcap?
Lastly, as others have mentioned, the responses you gave indicate that most of the stuff that HmmMaybe(I think) posted at the start of the beta are still not fixed or implemented. This will just hurt you guys in the end and is a stupid decision.
I wish you guys all the best, but I do not expect UW to be anywhere near good. It is such a shame, it might be sounding nerdish, but something I just wish I could play Darkfall 1 again, even if it was just for a few hours. I miss that rush so much
Wow...so funny reading these posts about things that are just...wrong. The people saying I tried DF 1 and it failed because...
Well...you are wrong, DF failed for you for those reasons, but DF was a huge success, or there wouldn't be a DF2. The pvp ruleset of DF1 was what made people stay as it was different. For those that didn't like it...had they had changed it...the game wuold have lost all of those other people...then a few may have stayed.
As far as the new games AI...well, I would say the UI is more of a general concenus not just opinion. I personally don't mind it...but the masses do.
Now all of that said, yes I'm a DF fanboy, but to the OP...come on. You know aventurine and if you really believe all of those things are being added after launch...you are nuts. Hell, "first week of March debug mode will be turned off which will fix a lot of things." Guess what...we're a week away from launch and its still on. If you aren't okay with the game now...you won't be later. Love what you have as this is what you are going to get, if you dont like it...don't expect much more. That's just the truth of how AV works.
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Pretty much - time to see what they put out in just a mere 4 days....
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You have to buy it to see whats in it.
Pretty much. You also know the UI for a PC game is total FAIL when folks have to post guides on how to use AHK instead, lol