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artfultoast
Member Posts: 4
in EVE Online
Should have said are arrogant players ruining EVE?
After playing EVE for a month I've decided it's not worth continuing paying the monthly fee for access to a glorified chatroom. I love the way EVE has been created and built up, but it's BORING. There is no continuing help for new players (unless you actually manage to get a word in edgeways on the help channel) There are even long standing players who steal off new players making the game more annoying than ever.
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I have been playing Eve for over 5 months now. I joined a corp after 2 weeks and it changed the game completely.
With EVE you need to create a toon around what you want from an online game. If you like fighting you don't spec in Mining or refining for instance
Yes the game does seem boring when you start but that is because it is a very deep and complex game to get to grips with.
If you give it a chance then you will enjoy it.
You did remember to password those secure containers, right? If they still managed to get into your ore and it was passworded, that would certainly be something worthy of a petition.
As for the game being an environment were you cannot just trust anyone, I believe I speak for *most* players when I say that that's one of the more popular features of Eve. It doesn't force you to make allies, but when you make them (and keep the ties strong) you'll find yourself in a much more powerful position. Find a corp, or heck, make one yourself, and seek out people who will help you. Then when people cross you, give `em hell.
edit: In the next patch, it will be easier to get back at people, so you won't have to resort to war decs to get something done.
Eye For An Eye: if someone kills you in empire, you have a limited time contract to kill them, free of Concord interference.
Theft Flagging: if someone steals out of your cargo cans (including loot cans), they become criminally flagged to your entire corporation. You have a short time to shot back at them, or call in the calvary to handle it.
In my opinion EVE online has a more mature player base than most other online games. You can just stay in empire space if you don't want to risk getting blown up. You can also think things through better before mining, using a secure can etc., people can't harm you unless you give them the chance...
Also join a corporation that does what you like best in the game, it'll be much more rewarding and fulfilling
Younger players don't ruin the game for me, whining gits who can't get to grips with the game do.
All I can say is, it is not the game for you. If you think it is boring, that's your opinion, don't play it. It is far from boring for me, it is the most involved MMO I have ever played. Glorified chat room it can be, if you sit there drooling at the screen instead of actually DOING something. Other times all the chat functions serve a very great purpose, which also makes EvE one of the most social games out there with one of the most thriving communities, both in-game and out of game.
Continuing help means either joining a Corp who will answer your myriad questions, or <gasp> figuring things out for yourself. There are MASSES of forums around, the offical one offers more "continuing advice" on any given subject you care to name, but that will mean you actually taking the time to researching the answer. One of which will be "Use passwords on your secure Ore Cans, thus making them secure". There is always a way of you not being hassled, if you look for it. There is equally a way for people TO hassle you, if your being particularly dumb about your EvE life. Flying into low-sec in your noob-ship would be one of the stupid things you can do, for instance. Instead stick to safe-space and you won't get shot by players. There you go, more helpful advice.
That is one of the most WONDERFUL things about EvE. The freedom to do whatever you want. If you can get away with it, good for you. The person you scam,kill, steal or otherwise piss off, now has some choices. He can either learn from it, and make sure it doesn't happen again, do it back to you, but better one day, or quit in a mass of tears about how hard life is, and how it isn't fair that everyone picks on him, and that the game sucks because it should never be allowed to happen.
Long time players of EvE often refer to this as "the filter". Combined with the tutorial and steep learning curve it is most effective, and we are most grateful for it.
How bloody inconsiderate of all those other people looking for help in the help channel not gathering enough respect for you to stop typing questions and answers in order for you to get a word in. Tsk. Rude indeed.
Most long standing players have much better things to do than ore steal the crap your likely to be mining, especially in the amounts your going to be getting in your little frigate, using secure cans without a password. I would suggest a lot of ore thieves are either simply griefers, of which EvE has plenty, same as any other game, or noobs who have had it happen to them and now want to take their frustrations out on other noobs. Good for them, anyway. At least that will prompt you to learn how to stop them. Or you could always come to a forum and whine how crap the game is instead.
Entry into most Corps is very straighforward. How entering a Corp costs you anything is beyond me, unless your incredibly stupid, and like to let people walk all over you...other than a bit of time picking the right one for you out of the hundreds available. I'm leaning towards you wanting your hand held through every moment of your game time, and recommend WoW or DAoC or CoH. That sort of game, where you don't actually need to think most of the time, and life isn't as harsh as it can be in EvE.
Most of the time, the people you meet in EvE are very helpful, probably more so than any other game I have played, as we all started out the same as every other noob, and know how hard it was. Sometimes though you meet a helpful person in a bad mood, who has read yet another factually incorrect post about the game he plays, from yet another filter failiure.
There is one hour downtime each day, unless something bad happens. Which isn't very often. So that means the game is up 23/7. If that one hour downtime ruins it for you, you need a better life.
Yeah I'd like to apologize for that hostile response above...
I myself can't speak for the player base having only started my own test of Eve three weeks ago (I'm looking for a new game after 4 solid years of Anarchy Online). However, I would like to say that my experience has been pretty positive so far. I did manage to get my shiny new cruiser *squashed* in .2 space by another player, but took that as a "learning experience"... after a case of beer and 2 packs of smokes.... Besides that, I have found the NPC corps I am assigned too to be EXTREMELY helpful and generous. When I finally saved up enough to buy a replacement cruiser, but didn't have enough cash to pay for the insurance, I had 2 guys offer, several times, to pay for my insurance. Being the stoic, independent dude I am, I politely declined... they spent the next two days trying to convince me to take the cash lol... On another occasion, when I was being threatened by some big russian dude in an even bigger battleship, some of these NPC corpsmen actually mobilized to come to my assistance.
Not bad for an NPC corp... if this is the lowest level of support one can expect in Eve, I'm doing pretty damned good and can't wait to see what a REAL corp is like! Although, tbh I'm getting pretty attached to this so-called generic bunch of guys I'm with now
I for one am not going to apoligize for the response above.
I have played the game since it launched. I have helped my fairshare of newbies, I have done everything the game has to offer and I keep playing because I can affect the game in my way. Whether it is in the market producing millions of rounds of ammo and selling it to make isk, joining my corp on an NPC mission or just rat hunting to make money. You do not have to going into .5 to make isk.
I have a friend who never leaves empire and just listed over 2.5 billion in buy orders for minerals to buiuld ships, modules and ammo. We all play eve at a diffenent level. The beauty of Eve is 1 character 1 account can do a little bit of everything. I can build, do research, NPC rat, mine or PvP.
Getting into a corp is a walk in the park, though I would look for one that really coincides with what you want to do in the game, and also a corp that is willing to grow with you. You may want to NPC for the next month while you are building up ISK for your first battleship, or you want to try your hand at being an indutrialist.
Come on here and ask for help if you want a better experince, don't post a poll asking us if we think younger players are ruining the game. I could talk your ear off for over 2 or 3 hours on things to do in Eve, the learning curve is immense and I still learn something new everyday.
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Actually you can anchor a can in 0.7 and below. I spent a lot of time mining in 0.7 with an anchored giant secure.
I've never had a problem with the help channel. I've never felt that the longer playing people would look down on a question, and believe me I asked a lot of dumb ones. I found that in the help channel my questions would be answered in a matter of seconds.
I also think that the game runs on the terms of, if you don't know them don't trust them. Once you get into an alliance or corp this is easier because certain corps are flagged positive, and others negative. If they're neutral then they might as well be negative when you're in 0.0 space.
As for people stealing loot or ore from you. It's all part of the game. There are people that make a living pirating, just as there are people that make a living killing pirates. I agree it's annoying to watch someone steal your stuff and know that you can't shoot them, but that's why they're fixing that in the next patch as someone posted above me.
I think if you got to know some close friends in the game that have played about the same time or longer as you, you'll have a lot more fun. I don't even mind mining anymore because I'm always on TS talking to people or with a group chatting while we're mining rare ores.
The community makes this game, and if you don't become a part of it, then you're stuck with a screensaver and a chatroom.
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I live to fight, and fight to live.
First of all, no one need apologise for anything I write. They are my views in response to the OP. If you, or he don't like them, tough luck, and I stand by them. If he (or she) doesn't wish to encourage negative repllies, then he should not make such a general accusation, against a whole sector of gamers, and claim they ruin this game for him. The filter I mentioned takes out the vast majority of less desirable players, and I think it just took out another.
Secondly the OP, makes a poll backed up with totally incorrect "observations", about a game I enjoy playing (and most other people in this forum do also, otherwise they would not be in this forum).
Now onwards to his latest ...observations
"Unlike DraigCoch, dude you need to get a life. I was playing Eve to find a nice new game to indulge my love of RPG's but its annoying abusive players like you with no time to help others, especially noobs that I'm talking about"
If you, at any point in your original diatribe, had asked for help, you may have actually got some. You didn't. You attacked a section of players, claiming they ruined the game for you. You then further went on to say that long time players are ore thieves, which is annoying also, because as I pointed out, for the stuff your mining in 0.9, most "long time players" are simply not interested. I help plenty of noobs each and every day, have given away millions of ISK through alts in the basic corp channels, and plenty of other stuff to help noobs. However they didn't make general sweeping accusations, and they politley asked for help. You did not.
"If someone had said a secure can with a password can still be collected (because as all you long playing people know you cannot anchor a can in 0.5 or above space,) by anyone I wouldn't have waisted all day mining in 0.9 sec a.f.k. for nothing.... "
Ok, now this really had me laughing. So thanks for that, it is not many posts that actually make me laugh for real. Fisrt of all, if you had actually ASKED one of the ore robbing, mean, long time players of this game about how secure cans work, you would have discovered that they DO work in high sec Empire space, but it must be in 0.7 or below. So, yet again, you make more incorrect statements. Unless you, as the noob, actually ask someone about how things work, your hardly going to get an answer are you? You could even have asked in this very forum. Or <shock, horror> actually looked the info up yourself!! Then the bit that makes me weep with laughter...you go on to say you, as a noob who has very little idea how the game works go on to AFK mining ALL DAY, and are shocked to discover you get robbed! Muhahha. Here is some more helpful advice for you.
1) Don't AFK mine. Don't AFK anything. Play the game.
2) If you decide to AFK mine, all day, for nothing, don't come onto a forum after you get robbed, crying about it, saying your going to quit, how long time players are ore robbing meanies, and younger players are just too much for you too handle etc etc.
3) Learn the lesson from your AFK mining disaster, or quit. For the lesson, refer to point (1)
But thanks for the laugh, that was real funny
"No the game isn't for me but there is no need to treat other people with disrespect. I am not a contemptible person thank you, I was making my own observation, something that everyone is entitled to."
Is that so? Then don't label a whole sector of people as you did, and don't label long time players as ore thieves when your not even at the PC to see who is robbing you of your "hard won" (AFK LOL) ore. Yes, you are entitled to your own views, and guess what? So am I. If my observations disagree with yours, or I disagree with you, tough luck. If you don't want to read conflicting "observations" on forums, don't post such utter rubbish.
"You have made it easier to cancel my subscription and prove my point. Arrogant arse's like you need to find something a little more constructive to do with their time. I feel sorry for ANYONE that asks you for help."
Awww. Believe me, I am trying to hold back the tears right now. This arrogant arse in particular, enjoys filter failiures who don't simply quit and be done with it, but come on a forum created with those who actually play the game and enjoy it in mind, make silly sweeping generalisations about whole sectors of players, post incorrect info about the game, get robbed while afk mining, cry about that instead of learning from it, and say they are quitting, and cry even more about it when someone posts a reply that totally disagrees with thier "observations".
Another little thing, don't go editing your original statements in a vain attempt to make yourslef look less stupid, after someone has quoted you. Your original statement is in my first reply to you, and you going back and editing it to make yourself look slightly less stupid, just makes you seem even more pathetic. Just my own personal "observation" you understand, and no offence intended from this arrogant arse
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out
artfultoast, why the hell do you ask if "younger players are ruining EVE" (in your original post, as still can be seen in the poll, not in the "new" version), and after somebody points out the contradictions and distorted truths in your post you reedit it to "arrogant" players. NO, younger player don't ruin the game, because without them EVE would't grow and get even more epic in scale.
The *only* point I give to you is where you say the game was "boring", though it should be "boring *for me*". DraigCoch was absolutely true, and while his answer may have a bit of hostility in it, I can't really blame him. I guess he can't stand too people who play a game, don't even try to get into it and then whine off on the forums about "the truth" about that game. And I mean this not only related to EVE, but any other game too.
And just for your info, I went to great lengths each time a new player needed assiance to provide it. Rarely have I been thanked for it, but that didn't prevent me from doing it again. I sacrificed a lot of my personal (game) time to give that help. If you didn't get any for whatever reason, I'm sorry for you, but that does not give you the right, to piss on the effort of me and a lot of other players who also help new players by saying "there is no (continuing) help for new players". Thanks a lot!
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
Apologies to all, shouldn't have put poll. Was angry at a game I was really getting into that has been ruined by a few.
Apologies to Azirophos, checkthis500 and Triple_Black and all other long standing players that DO help others and are helpful to new players.
Peace to DraigCoch.... The advise I got about mining afk was given by a long standing player from a mining corp who never said anything about oar thieves. When you have played for as long as he has it doesnt bother you to loose half a mill. The reason I was mining in the first was because I tried a few battle missions and got ganked so was trying to rebuild some losses which was why it was so annoying. I must say your comments have scared me for life
but I will learn from your words and think harder before I post next time... It's all about learning and your a harsh teacher 
Anywhos... nice playing all, have fun and I hope a rat drops a billion ISK right in front of you !!!!!
Kudos to you for your apology. Always a show of character to do that.
If you should ever get over your frustration and give EVE an other chance than drop me a PM, and I'll try to help ya out on the basics.
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Originally posted by Mandolin
Designers need to move away from the old D&D level-based model which was never designed for player vs player combat in the first place.
At last some soul! Much kudos to you for this, shows some balls
Likewise, if you ever take it up again send me a message, who knows, if you live in the UK you might even join a decent corp right off the bat who will be happy to show you the ropes. So long as you don't mind me being one of them that is
If your not from the UK, and do take it up again, send me a message anyway, a few isks and a bit of advice form a harsh teacher, usually goes a way to keeping you alive, making some cash, and enjoying life in EvE
Sometimes the harsh teachers are the ones that try the hardest to keep you alive...and having fun...