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That was my favorite line. Attempting to grab the number of players, and the social acceptability of console gaming has turned MMORPGs into simplistic garbage.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
This is where I STARTED READING !
MMOs used to be mmos. Now their crap. Now we have all the hybrid players here trying to overwhelm topics.
I really liked the part about " If your in it for graphics,get out ".
If some developer would make a hard real virtual world, WHERE PLAYERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR COMMUNITY, It would take off and be the most popular mmo out..........GW2 with it's auto everything is not new and improved, It's simply auto everything ! It would not surprise me if the next so called improvement will be auto play the game for you completely. And everything before that would be called old school.
Good job OP
Don't feed the trolls Delete5
For the most part SWG was the first MMO I really started playing and, when it came out I thought for sure by 2013....
A DECADE LATER
we would be able to play something that looked similar to "Watch Dogs" but online. If I had known that we'd be playing the games we are playing now........
What I'm equally shocked about is how many folks think these new games are awesome. Is Defiance really that awesome? I mean, SWG eventually got JTL.
I mean, can you B*tches not add space to sci-fi games at release yet?
These f0ckers are tryin to set me up so it's like...play WOW or read Twilight, even Salvatore isht all over his last novel. Can we catch a break here?
I see where the OP is coming from but really you can't place blame on the players. It rests firmly with the developers. They're the ones making the games.
They target a wider audience by making the games easier to play. It's no surprise that there are more people playing MMO's today. That's exactly what the developers want and it's why they changed the way MMO's play. And of course they want more players, that makes them more money.
It won't be long before MMO's are another genre of games made for consoles with bad ports to PC's. It happened with FPS games, SRPG's and soon MMO's will go the same way.
We already have Defiance which is blatantly a console game, soon we'll have Destiny which so far is only available as a pre-order for Xbox and PS3, no PC version at all.
And to be honest the genre is already beyond saving. Look at some threads running now with people complaining about anti social PUG's, players that just race through content, the ease in reaching the level cap.
Even the term "MMO" isn't what it used to be. Look at some of the games on this site which are referred to as MMO's but aren't. D3, WoT, DayZ, Smite, Vindictus and the list goes on. Lobby games with a cash shop are now considered "MMO's", small scale 15v15 maps and it's an MMO? 4 player dungeon crawlers considered an MMO?
You may find indie developers trying to make a more old school MMO but they'll be niche games. The mainstream will continue to pump out easy mode trash in an effort to make as much money as possible. And that means going to consoles because it's a much bigger market than PC.
This is for all you guys who sit here and rant back and forth, complain about graphics, complain about people complaining, want the consolers to get out of "your" MMO's and vice versa.
Go play a MUD learn to appreciate something for what it is and stfu.
It works 2 ways, if all the devs look at is MMO themeparks post-WOW and only build MMOs that have the same strategy, no wonder most MMO players play themeparks because they don't have any choice.
The successful sandboxes that are still alive are niche games and meant for a specific group of players, example EVE Online.
Adds to that that the group of MMO players grew the last decade, where you had the generation of 'nerds' playing EQ and others hardcore, in 2004 suddenly there was a arcade style 'easy to step into' MMO called WOW on the market catering the more casual players.
Since many players hold WOW as a MMO benchmark, I am curious what would happen if there was a MMO with:
-same engine
-same environment, in this case fantasy
-no levels but for example progression like in SWG
-armor decay and player generated economy
In short: a WOW sandbox mmo where the players generate the content mostly...
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Same, the OP needs to stop being such a glutton for punishment and get with the times.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Seems many SWG fans have forgotten one of the main reasons they made NGE: because many SWG players was leaving the game to play WoW. Which means that SWG pre-NGE was not so great after all.
I only play MMO's with good graphics and gameplay. If one of them sucks, I dont play it.
Bad MMO's get shot down, the not so bad survives.
you know whats funny?
all those vets... playing games that came out AFTER world of warcraft.
there are a few examples.
daoc, eq, neocron... some more some less successfull, but these games came out like 10-13 years ago.
actually they have been linear as hell (most of them). actually the grouping system sucked in them, there were hardly any players online after 2 AM and if you had no guild, you basically didn't see endgame.
now we have alot of new mmos, obviously. eg, some of those are crab, others not. that's the way it works. you can't produce THE HIT, you can produce your vision of a game, and hope the trolls will like it.
the games didn't change, the players did.
back the days we were happy with what they gave us. that was basically like the beginning of "modern" TV. there where like 5 stations. and when they showed sth, you watched it, and you liked it.
it was new, it was without competition and actually it was the only thing to look. if you didn't like the movie they gave your for the evening you had to do sth else.
and, shocking, the same thing happened to mmos. when EQ and the first of the 2nd gen came out. there were no 100 alternatives to check and maybe play. those were the mmos you could play, or not.
now you have like 100 mmos or even more, you can check em, decide if you like em, and maybe keep playing - or not.
that doesn't make the whole genre bad tho, otherwise books would all suck nowadays (since potter is a PoS), and i doubt that's sth anyone wants to say, eh?
that's what happens when you turn from a niche market to a mass market.
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
LOTRO is a great game and it is getting better with every expansion imo. ROR is rely great (fantastic music, mount combat, great looking landscape, some great looking mobs etc)
uh and for the record...
everquest, dark age of camelot, neocron, anarchy online.
just a few examples of "classic" mmos which are still running, do you play any of those? if not... why?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
You call it trash then go on to agree with a lot of what I said.
You totally missed the point about sub numbers...not really surprised.
You call anyone that likes mmos now kiddies so you can just dismiss their opinions on games. Obviously they're too young to know what a good game is and should just sit at old grandpas feet and learn...../rolleyes.
95% of mmos don't fail...you just don't like them. A failed mmo goes off line. Very few actually do that, but like I said 400k players = failed mmo now days. Funny that you still said it.
What's wrong with mmos today is you don't like them. But the way you want an mmo to be made doesn't sell...that should tell you something about your opinion on games.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
The grind has always been there, if a F2P game offers you a way to reduce the grind without giving you a handheld nuclear tiped shaped charge (ex: it giving you only xp boosts or slight cash boosts as opposed to "gold" items which are pay to get only) then that is as close to a free to play and enjoy MMO as you're gonna get until someone figures out how to make a pay by processing power system. I do agree with you though that Pay to Win games (F2P, B2P and even some crappy P2P games which try to get away with it) need to burn in a poetic fire due to their money grubbing enjoyment stealing ways.
I can really relate to the OP.
I started out with Everquest, Anarchy Online, Daoc, Ragnarok Online, Lineage 2 as my first mmorpgs and that ofc set somewhat of a standard for me. I agree that after WoW the quality of content plummeted into simplified features with a constant lack of content and the idea of living in the virtual worlds became something of the past. Politics and social communities became non-existant due to casualization features and games being released as if they were merely made for a "quick buck".
I havent fully enjoyed an mmorpg for years due to this. I want this virtual world that isnt instanced and where the community is key. This hasnt really happend since EQ2 and finally theres games on the horizon that prioritize some of these things.
The new "features" doesnt impress me anymore! I want a vast world with content and a living community! The rest is just bullshit in my ears.
But there are some interesting new titles on the horizon, who knows, we might get lucky.
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