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Stick with NGE? Abandon NGE? (poll)
Wepps
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Title says it all, but I'm going to say more anyway. As usual.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
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I voted keep it.
My biggest gripe about SWG has always been immersion, and the feeling of Star Wars. (or lack thereof)
The NGE is a chance to eventually get this right, finally.
To that end, I would have to say this -
1 - If they keep the NGE I may never play again, depending upon whether or not they actually finish what they started this time.
2 - If they abandon the NGE, I will never come back. This would mean abandoning the most important aspect of the game that has been missing since initial design in my opinion.
That's my reasoning for voting...KEEP IT.
Now if they would get around to fixing it, or something, at least TALKING about fixing it...
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
Like everything they've done to date, the original design was not bad. It had depth in combat that is now totally missing, or actually replaced by the new fast-paced style FPSish thing.
All they had to do then, was to create a Missions System for the other classes. Bounty Hunter already had this. Smuggler desperately needed it, and I had posted literally hundreds of times of how to build and improve upon those missions specifically.
They failed to do so, because it was "impossible".
So, along came the CU. They changed everything, dumbing it down some. However, BALANCE had finally been achieved, for the most part, with some exceptions like Commando.
Again, all they had to do was add a unique Missions System for the existing professions. They failed to do so. It was "impossible"
Now, they totally dumbed it down to such a basic level, and instead added immersion in the form of unique abilities, which was...pretty much what the first iteration was.
Now, all they have to do....is add the unique missions sytem for each of the professions, and it is done.
They still haven't done it!
Personally I feel they are afraid of work so much, that they would rather completely redo the game, than simply add the missions system!
Well, time will tell I guess. Maybe they are just trying very hard to avoid the 'Wepps was right" post when they did it :P
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
I dont mind the NGE
I just think they have a whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole lotta work before they can at least make it desirable for many
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
...which seems to have been the case with the other versions of SWG.
There can be any number of tinfoil hat reasons for this change, and I'm sooo tired of trying to second guess these guys.
I'm just at the point where I have to say, choose one, okay now fix the damned thing lol.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
I have no interest in playing a fps game. And honestly it has no business being in a mmorpg. It negates skill tapes, stats, armor stats, weapon stats, etc as the one who can click faster and get and hold the cursor on me faster wins.
So why would anyone want to play a mmorpg like that ? Especially when there are many more superior fps out there like Doom 3, Halflife 2, Call of Duty 2 (xbox 360), and all dont cost $15 a month
It's still an MMORPG. An MMORPG with a slight FPS aspect. I remember playing a game named "Neocron" that had a similar combat system. IMHO, that's what made me look over the blocky graphics and the weird atmosphere. Combat was just fun on there and just like SOE said, they wanted to make SWG fast pace combat action, which Star Wars actually is. I am liking the NGE and voted "keep it". Further, I agree that many things have yet to be fixed (again). It's great to see so many people on my server again though!
(Starsider)
Tsuwamono
I am just dumbfounded at how many people are whining and complaining about the NGE! I have played since release and people have cried for 2 years that the game was boring and the combat sucked..that it didn't feel like Star Wars. The devs finally begin to listen and they make combat more fun/skill based, with a lot more Star Wars immersion and what happens...the same pathetic whining and moaning. People will never be satisfied. I think the game is finally moving in the RIGHT direction and this was definitely needed to save this game. The NGE is the best thing ever to happen to this game! And about narrowing down the classes...it is the way it should have been at launch. They put in too many classes originally and many of them were broken with bugged skills and it took like how long for some of them to get "fixed." Remeber that wait Smugglers and Bio-Engineers? Narrowing down the classes so they could pay them better individual attention was also badly needed. The 9 core classes emcompass really more than 9 base classes. Many of the core classes now are a combo of 2 or more classes in the old system.
I'm sorry all you complainers but I love the NGE and I'm very happy they are moving in this direction. I wish people would realize this is still a work in progress, that they will be tweaking it/improving it a lot and, that they will soon be adding quest content past 30th. level. Just give it a fair shake and keep an open mind. They wanted to roll this out to us as soon as they could and frankly, this game REALLY needed it. Was the old combat really better just standing there like a cardboard standup spamming specials while eating a cheeseburger? Where was the skill in that?
I honestly think they could make it a fun game too, but they took turn-based combat and made it FPS based combat.....That's a different genre of game....and taking what people paid for and making it a different product. Turn-based combat is indeed more stratagy based than FPS point and click combat....it required food buffs, armor, planning, ......the game is faster paced now...but let's be honest...the game servers can't handle that speed of gaming.....the rubber banding is horrid, getting stuck in the same 100meter slot while on my mount got old fast....and combat as a NON ranged toon was a very sad thing to behold.....i can't run that fast, nor stay in range of targets that move twice my speed...so it became completely frustrating after one mission lair.....to say nothing of group hunts that had a whole new set of frustrations......
And let's talk about this game's "dying fan base" that ppl keep saying was occuring.....I don't think i belive that...I say it's a myth that they pushed on us......and I'm going to use one simple little method to offer my proof....My guild was growing FASTER than ever before...and it wasn't because it was close to theed......it was on little ole Rori.....in a little ole' town that was poorly designed and poor on good house space......but ppl were added often and happy to be there...NEW ppl...ppl that WE brought in by word of mouth to join the game......did we all forget that word of mouth is infact the best advertising?
Faxx of Bria ...the ONLY server worth playing haha....She was the best!
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I am for improving the game.....it should be a constant work in progress......they made a new game and didn't ask us to try it....it was shoved on us....that's why it's going to fail.
I'm just trying SWG out, since about 1.5 yrs ago. That time I lasted for 5 minutes. Horrible game back then, imo. I can't say I'm a fan of FPS games, tbh, I suck at them. I am kinda enjoying this, though. How long? Only time will tell. I will never be good at FPS, though, that's why I have always played RPG type games.
I think many people's complaints are outta fear. Like me, they aren't good at FPS style games. I don't blame people for being upset. You didn't sign up for that style of game.
This is not a full FPS system. You still need to choose specials and etc. It is more of a challenge to me then like another poster said, "..standing there like a poster board spamming one style after another while eating a cheeseburger." I never required food or buffs like you said I did. No wander you suck at this if all you've been doing is pointing and clicking. You should try using the specials. Oh about the ranged vrs melee thing. I'm playing a Jedi right now and I've noticed something. They might of fixed this in the last hotfix, but I now can run faster than the NPC's. They start to kite and I ofcourse chase, but now I end up running past them because I'm running slightly faster then they are. I have no problems now in combat. I own just about anything my level or a couple higher with minimal dmg to my health. Oh...I'm a lvl 10 incase you were thinking I was using force run.
The only times I have problem in combat is when there is lag and I end up incapped because they can still shoot me while I'm gainingback composure. For this reason I think the twitch base style might not be a good idea for this game since it is infamous for bad lag. I'm using a good system too.
Wepps, take your lithium and then make a decision.
Why anyone would continue to give money to SOE/LA at this point is beyond me. They've proven yet again that they're more capable of scraping one system (this time without any notice), in favor of a bug ridden over-extending upgrade (euphemistically called an enhancement this time).
You don't treat a crack addict by giving them more crack.
Ico
Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones. It bones for thee.
Maybe there are some people who are liking the NGE, but a huge part of the playerbase dont.
SOE cant go back to the old system, it would be the last strike for her image, so the only solution i see its to restore the old system slowly with stealthfixes and publishes.
I see a server-merge coming, and perhaps, the cancelation of the once great project swg.
Sad days.
Amen.
Have fun
Erillion
PS: Cant play MMORPGs at the moment - home access is offline. So its hard to evaluate any improvements from hotfixes. From what I hear its more nerfs, less improvements. Officers still kill themselves with their specials, Spies still cant sneak and steal and Jedi are still fucked overall.
This NGE is so far from what thousands for us bought and have been paying to play for over two years now, I dont see how I can keep paying or playing.
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I really am 39 years old, and the few thousand of us relatively old timers may be out numbered by the age group the NGE seams to be geared to. But are there subscriptions going to be as stable.
Of course this could be part of the new design if your players dont hang around long enough to find out about how you pushed out content full of bugs and such. This might make it ok to have less that good developers being paid less than top salary.
If this is the case SOE and LA are counting on a constant turnover in player base and an increase in boxed game sells.
Ebe ------ SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
Ann ----- SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
Zoo'xu -- SWG -- ShadowFire -- Closed
Well it is already clear from past actions our feelings will matter not, they will do what they want to do
The benfits are clear as other compaines are increasing subscribers even daoc clasic servers busy newbe ares
The fact is if they rolled back there is still a matter of trust which will take a long time to earn ticked off base so at this point they have lost major crediablity and creativeness matters not since it was released in the shape it was in and pushed Eulla just to far .
The other fact is those looking to jump into other mmorpgs have done so or in process of doing so, the downside is other folks won't touch a mmorpgs again. So whatever the footnotes of the history of gaming/ mmorgs this will not go down quietly in the night to be dusted under the rug.
The players at last some of them have very long memories...........
Is there any more variety among the classes in WoW? But yet everyone seems to think it is the greatest game out there.
I'm sorry but the problem with this game is not only the devs but also the community. It is the biggest bunch of griping, whining drivelers I've ever seen anywhere.
They cried for 2 years that the game wasn't Star Warsy enough and EVERY game site complained about the boring combat. They finally begin moving to address these issues and immediately the whiners start crying to return the game back to the previous crap they complained about since its release. Makes no sense. Just play the game or don't.
What's funny.. is if they gave us all the quests and stuff with the old system, I'd be thinking this was an improvement.
But then again, I wouldn' be able to DO any of it since I'm a veteran...
So it'd just still suck.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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[quote]Originally posted by Wepps
[b][quote]Originally posted by En1Gma
I dont mind the NGE
I just think they have a whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooole lotta work before they can at least make it desirable for many
...which seems to have been the case with the other versions of SWG.
There can be any number of tinfoil hat reasons for this change, and I'm sooo tired of trying to second guess these guys.
I'm just at the point where I have to say, choose one, okay now fix the damned thing lol.[/b][/quote]
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Wasn't that the problem with AC2? They kept on reinventing the mechanics that they neglicted to fix the actual problems and add quality content?
What has the NGE really solved?
-It took away game mechanics like Player Bounties and Creature Handeling. These are two things that were fun to do even after CL 80.
-It is destroying the crafters and performers.
-Grinding after CL 30 is a bore, atleast before you could join groups on the MO and talk to people while killing Bols.
-THERE IS STILL ZERO CONTENT AFTER REACHING CL 90!!!!!!!!!! I mean if they were going to do some great upgrade atleast give us things to do at the upper eschelons of combat.
So it solved nothing and really just got rid of things that were fun but too hard for the Dev's to balance. If you want to support Lazyness then get a yearly subscription to this piece of crap.
If you want to support excellence, then don't put up with ineptness and leave SWG to rot.
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I voted to get rid of it..The reasons are as follows, Buggy user interface, harder to control your character unless your an octopus, lack of content and missions which was promised to the players, Star wars Experiance is even less then what it was before the NGE. I personally don't consider gun toting jedi the star wars experiance.
Also many professions are buged..Jedi are weaker then a lvl 1 mage, ranged professions do far more dmg and can solo, with extreme ease..Crafters and Entertainers are being currently left in the dark as for any fixes that would be for them, and also no responce from developers on weither these professions are going to be fixed.
The NGE has not been fully tested, and should go back into the test server, for complete testing before it was even released.
The NGE could work..if it was tested more. It has potential, but unfortunately the bugs make it to difficult to play the game for most of your players.
If I had a choise, between the CU, and the NGE, I would definately go with the CU...