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LF a hard core mmo
hello everyone , im trying to find a mmo that is rly hard to play , what i mean very hard is to have unreach able level caps and penalties for dieing , and a very big time sink to get to somewhere or progress in the game , bottom line i want a mmo that will keep me working on it for the later coming years and rather still have it unfinished even thought i will spend 3h + each day on it .
ps . i dont want wow i got bored of it since my effort in it always seem to be reset in it .
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Besides PVP what else is there that takes very long time to do?
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
I know you really seems to think that game is the best ever made but really get real, YOU have to enjoy PVP if you want to play Darkfall, the rest so called PVE is kinda shallow and crafting is more or less a armourer for the PVPers.
If you read OP more carefully what he was looking for, Darkfall aint coming close not by a long shot.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
EQ1 - Project 1999
You will never find a MMO today more hardcore than that. It's Everquest, the way it was released in 1999 with a couple expansions. And it won't cost you a dime.
Age of Wushu. Play 15 hours per day if you like, there will still be more you "need" to do. AoW has what you asked for in spades.
The 6 months I've been playing this game have been the fasted six months I've had in a mmorpg.
I grow bored after reaching max level and sometimes before that. However, with the current trend of MMOG's being "free to play" (pay to survive), I've just been hopping from one game to the next while trying not to spend to much. After awhile I usually come back and try out content that was released while I was playing a different game. It kind of nice to experience the different game worlds while playing around with different types of gameplay. Frankly, I just haven't found a game I love yet and can commit to long term (cue wedding bells).
Two games that I've played and might fit your requirements:
For SciFi - EVE
For Fantasy - Wizardly Online
A few have already mentioned Eve, so I'll just say that Wizardly Online is downright hardcore. It has a chance for permanent death penatlies, leveling is slow, and it has open PVP. I played during the beta testing and found it had some appeal but I hate open PvP. I was hoping I could solo the entire game but found it was impossible and finding a group was difficult. If you decide to give a try, I recommend finding and joining a guild ASAP.
Path of Exile.
- It is hard to play. You have to figure out how to defeat different enemies, must manage health, and must learn how to spec your character.
- Level caps?
- Penalties for death - PoE gives you a range of options.
- Huge time sink - thousands of hours of content.
I have played Darkfall and Wizardry Online but these have a lot more stringent open world, permanent death PvP penalties that could dash and destroy thousands of hours of gameplay that you put in. Path of Exile simply has more polished play, more tournaments and variety of play, as well as a deep, intricate combat system that progresses as you play. If you decide to play hardcore and die on hardcore in PoE you still keep your character but are ported to the softcore server - a different area/experience, but still serious enjoyment.
Eve online will be your game.
Hard to learn, hardcore game, nice community.
Vanguard saga of heroes is good too.
Unless you are willing to time-travel to a gen1/2 MMO, you are S. O. L. my friend. A few comments on some of the games mentioned here by others.
1) Path of Exile: Not an MMORPG, its an ISO diablo clone instanced grindfest. (not that there is anything wrong with that, just not what he asked for)
2) Wizardry: Quite simply the worst launch of any game, ever. Plagued by bugs, content will last you 2 weeks ~ 2 months depending on skill/time investment. It is about as close as you are going to get however with death penalties open pvp and loot. The downside here is lack of standard MMO facets such as crafting, and an open world. The story also consists of about 5 very poorly written cutscenes that you will inevitably get up and walk away from because they cannot be canceled
3) EVE: If you've been in MMO's for a while and don't know about EVE already..... but yeah, its not an MMO, its a MOBA with some graphical representation IMO.
4) Age of Wushu: No dealth penalty, open world pvp where players can respawn in place and attack you immediately nonstop like turbozombies. Game economy literally ran by gold purchase (it is seriously the only way to insert coin into the economy, mobs don't drop it, it doesn't come from quests, etc) -- Also, they ban their players on accident and then don't compensate them fairly....
MOBA like say LoL or Dota ? Meaning LoL for example has a persistant universe, a unified server for all palyers, no istances, player driven economy, mass pvp (over thousand ppl at once), freedome to make your own path of character development, player driven politics and the most in depth game design hitting 10 years and still feeling fresh ?
I must start playing MOBA's more ...
http://mmocultgr.blogspot.com
Hash happened. I meant MUD not MOBA
I would say EVE Online, but most players would call it boring after failing at it.
But reading earlier posts, if you want to play rough there is no other game, then you are looking at themeparks and there is no challenge in that except gear grinding till the devs finish another small content patch.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I called it boring after I realized that combat consisted of me clicking go and smoking one while the game played itself. Woulda played the shit out of it in early 2000 if I hadn't been hookedon evercrack tho.
That's because it is a sandbox, if you want to mine and look at a mining ship mining roids 23/7, yes, you migth call the game boring....if you are a pvp/combat grunt, taking the easiest role in a fleet and press F1 F2 every time it is asked, then you might call it boring.
If you take on the role of fleet commander, logistic pilot, making warp-ins for the fleet for example, then the combat goes down to Formula 1 precisions where 1 wrong decision, 1 sec too late reacting to some event will lose you a big fight, system, region,war then it is something completely different.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
Runescape, which has had around 12 years of content additions.
25 skills, takes years to do everything. Tons of minigames and alternate progression paths. When you die you drop everything except 3 most valuable items. Need to work for 300 hours+ to afford certain high end items. Full loot pvp area. Around 200 unique quests (real ones, not kill 10 boars)
The only downside is that they have an item shop and real money gambling now, which is mostly fluff items though.
Except that you give no basis for your comments and did not read the first post carefully enough.
The main poster wrote "rly hard to play , what i mean very hard is to have unreach able level caps and penalties for dieing , and a very big time sink to get to somewhere or progress in the game , bottom line i want a mmo that will keep me working on it for the later coming years"
So first - he wants an mmo. It doesn't matter if it's "not a MMORPG. " PoE is an MMO action RPG by the way.
Second, how are the other games you commented on not a "grindfest" - every game has some form of grinding. Path of exile gives you new zones to play in, new characters and abilities to unlock.
Third - reread what he asked for, and realize that it is what he asked for.
Overall - your comments (1) are irrelevant and (2) are misleading.
Aion
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As others said: EVE
The answer the the OP question is simple.
EVE Online
You really have to spend alot of time developing your core skills and then build from there. I play a few hours everyday. I live in wormholes within the systems. Making money, defending my worm hole from ther people who may come across the entrance to my worm hole. If I am not in a worm hole I am sending out my drones to find possible worm holes. Trust me EVE is for you. I have been playing for 2 years now and still havent seen a quarter of the game lol.
Trust me EVE is for you!