I think the WoW expansion will be announced much sooner. I would expect it december 2013 or very early 2014 so november would be kind of late to announce it.
Originally posted by plescure Titan. hurry up already!
I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. I want Warcraft 4. I will also accept an announcement that development of Starcraft: Ghost has resumed or any and all news regarding Project Titan.
Originally posted by plescure Titan. hurry up already!
I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
Thats just my 2 copper
and who cares? what ever they do or even copy as you say, they do it far more better than any1 else and thats what matters. i hope they copy lets say warhammer and make it as it was meant to be. i m sure that blizz can make every single game that exists way better. so who cares?
Originally posted by plescure Titan. hurry up already!
I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
Thats just my 2 copper
and who cares? what ever they do or even copy as you say, they do it far more better than any1 else and thats what matters. i hope they copy lets say warhammer and make it as it was meant to be. i m sure that blizz can make every single game that exists way better. so who cares?
There a reason why they do it better than other is because all the hard work is already done for them. having 2 weeks to come up with an idea develope the idea then polish it is alot hard than taking 2 week to copy and idea and then spend the whole time polishing it up, this is exactly what blizzard does and imho it makes them a subpar company in my eyes when thats all they do. When a company takes a risk and does somthing new that when they have earned my respect. (Again its just my option of it and you dont need to agree with me just had to voice my option)
Originally posted by plescure Titan. hurry up already!
I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
Thats just my 2 copper
and who cares? what ever they do or even copy as you say, they do it far more better than any1 else and thats what matters. i hope they copy lets say warhammer and make it as it was meant to be. i m sure that blizz can make every single game that exists way better. so who cares?
There a reason why they do it better than other is because all the hard work is already done for them. having 2 weeks to come up with an idea develope the idea then polish it is alot hard than taking 2 week to copy and idea and then spend the whole time polishing it up, this is exactly what blizzard does and imho it makes them a subpar company in my eyes when thats all they do. When a company takes a risk and does somthing new that when they have earned my respect. (Again its just my option of it and you dont need to agree with me just had to voice my option)
so why the other companies cant do the same? they steal from wow more or less when they make a new game. they have all the time in the world to polish and produce a better product. why they dont do it? or in this planet the only gaming company that steals ideas is blizz. you are kidding right?
Originally posted by plescure Titan. hurry up already!
I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
Thats just my 2 copper
and who cares? what ever they do or even copy as you say, they do it far more better than any1 else and thats what matters. i hope they copy lets say warhammer and make it as it was meant to be. i m sure that blizz can make every single game that exists way better. so who cares?
There a reason why they do it better than other is because all the hard work is already done for them. having 2 weeks to come up with an idea develope the idea then polish it is alot hard than taking 2 week to copy and idea and then spend the whole time polishing it up, this is exactly what blizzard does and imho it makes them a subpar company in my eyes when thats all they do. When a company takes a risk and does somthing new that when they have earned my respect. (Again its just my option of it and you dont need to agree with me just had to voice my option)
so why the other companies cant do the same? they steal from wow more or less when they make a new game. they have all the time in the world to polish and produce a better product. why they dont do it? or in this planet the only gaming company that steals ideas is blizz. you are kidding right?
Not saying blizzard isnt the only one who does it didnt mention other since the original post was about Blizzard. Only a couple of the major company that i acualy have respect atm for taking risks and have tried somthing new SoE and Areananet being two of them who acualy tried some risks and do somthing new.
I seriously don't get it. Blizzard is not the same. New people... new games... new hate.
WOW was great. What did you expect? That a game that's nearly 8-10 years old will be amazing after all this time? Diablo 3 was very meh true. But what do you mean that SC2 was "typical"? Do you mean it was the same as SC1 cause I can assure that this couldn't be farther from the truth. It's one of the best games Blizzard have released ever. If you were a SC1 fan, I don't see what could possibly disappoint you about SC2.
In terms of Blizzard announcements I am only interested in two things. Titan of course and SC2 Legacy of the Void. But LoV is probably not going to be announced so soon after HoTS.
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I seriously don't get it. Blizzard is not the same. New people... new games... new hate.
WOW was great. What did you expect? That a game that's nearly 8-10 years old will be amazing after all this time? Diablo 3 was very meh true. But what do you mean that SC2 was "typical"? Do you mean it was the same as SC1 cause I can assure that this couldn't be farther from the truth. It's one of the best games Blizzard have released ever. If you were a SC1 fan, I don't see what could possibly disappoint you about SC2.
In terms of Blizzard announcements I am only interested in two things. Titan of course and SC2 Legacy of the Void. But LoV is probably not going to be announced so soon after HoTS.
Starcraft 2 did exactly what it strove to do. Just like every expansion for world of warcraft continued the exact same philosphy that made it great from the start. Player's expectations (in this instance) are unrealistic. It's like they expect the new ford mustang 2013 to suddenly be able to cross water or have wings and fly.
hre's one thing that surprised me very negatively about WoW. let's say that now being older and more experienced I understand...even if I dissagree...I want to give you the raw innocent view of the expansion situation.
in BC I begin raiding. And I raid...and I raid...luck shines and a great guild needs my class/spec for sunwell...I was new, I was 'so-so' at best...I get to clear sunwell with them. Carried but not the point. I had perfect attendance, I tried my best, that's all I could do.
now comes an expansion, and I think "alright, it's going to be the next step above Sunwell. It's naxxramas, the legendary super-difficult raid".
then I see it and ... it's not even karazhan-level.
my thoughts are "why are we going back to entry level? won't every single new player skip all of BC raiding if we do that ?"
and so it was...lvel 70 became simply "the lvel between 69 and 71, somewhere in the Howling Fjoyd. ". And instead of expanding upon its first tiers, it replaced them. To me thi felt wrong. I felt expansions didn't make th game more expansive, only shift it from one theme to another.
Perhaps this is a themepark flaw but...how do you expand the game without replacing parts of it ? is it possible to keep 10...15...20 tiers all relevant ?
and you just discovered the carrot and the stick of ALL mmorpgs. Congrats.
Please, lets be realistic here. Diablo 3 failed on almost every aspect, except for maybe being a good movie through normal difficulty. Diablo 2 revolutionized the gaming industry, and all they had to do was copy paste Diablo 2 and just make some better graphics. Instead they made Diablo 3, which is well, junk: It is not addictive, at all. A Diablo game NOT being addictive is an automatic fail. I respect your opinion, but POW, there is mine, in your face. Deal with it.
hre's one thing that surprised me very negatively about WoW. let's say that now being older and more experienced I understand...even if I dissagree...I want to give you the raw innocent view of the expansion situation.
in BC I begin raiding. And I raid...and I raid...luck shines and a great guild needs my class/spec for sunwell...I was new, I was 'so-so' at best...I get to clear sunwell with them. Carried but not the point. I had perfect attendance, I tried my best, that's all I could do.
now comes an expansion, and I think "alright, it's going to be the next step above Sunwell. It's naxxramas, the legendary super-difficult raid".
then I see it and ... it's not even karazhan-level.
my thoughts are "why are we going back to entry level? won't every single new player skip all of BC raiding if we do that ?"
and so it was...lvel 70 became simply "the lvel between 69 and 71, somewhere in the Howling Fjoyd. ". And instead of expanding upon its first tiers, it replaced them. To me thi felt wrong. I felt expansions didn't make th game more expansive, only shift it from one theme to another.
Perhaps this is a themepark flaw but...how do you expand the game without replacing parts of it ? is it possible to keep 10...15...20 tiers all relevant ?
in eve for example...maybe I don't get out of low-sec often, but on the industrial level the effects of empire are left in low/nullsec every time I open the market. It continuously stays relevant. tritanium, the thing you mine first day...is used by the billions of units for capital construction.
meanwhile in wow...what do you ue Copper for above level 20 ? nothing.
That's what MMOs are about. They have always been like this. The first time I tried it, it was amazing. WoW was great in Vanilla because it was a fairly new thing for me then TBC reset everything but it was still great, actually much better than Vanilla in terms of gameplay (not theme though ). Then Wotlk did it again and I became bored.
This is the main reasons I don't play MMOs anymore. Once you have played 1 MMO for some time, you have seen all this genre has to offer imo. Back when I started I found this formula of loot grinding super addicting. That's what kept me playing D2 for ages. But I am bored now. That's why I have gone back to regular singeplayer/multiplayer game. Some of those games have a lot of replayability and are much better value than MMOs. MMOs offer horrible gameplay for solo players. It's mindnumbingly boring and easy. I would rather play games where I can play when I want and have fun by myself or with a couple of friends. I don't need a massive number of players to have fun. I play most of my games by myself or with a few friends.
But most importantly those games are all about the fun. MMOs seem to try to be everything BUT FUN! Just look at these forums. When you ask people what they want, fun rarely figures in their "wishlist".
Although one thing related to MMOs is super fun - trolling on MMORPG.com
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Originally posted by Xanitra Please, lets be realistic here. Diablo 3 failed on almost every aspect, [...]
3.5 million boxes sold in the first 24 hours could only be considered 'failed' among the ranks of the gamer herd.
It's going to really be interesting to see how convoluted the explanations get for the inevitable huge sales of the D3 expac in light of the claimed 'failure' of D3 itself.
It failed in comparison to diablo 2. Of course it shifted a lot of boxes on the opening week, that's because the 2 previous games in the series were so good, its got nothing to do with the quality of diablo 3.
Blizzard would be expecting many more players to still be playing it today, it hasn't retained players anything like d2 did.
If diablo 4 launched tomorrow "from the team that brought you diablo 3!, with new improved rmah", how many copies would it sell? A lot frikin less.
Hydhra.. I don't know where you get your information from, but you are wrong. To base the success of Diablo 3 according to its opening sales, is because... DIABLO 2 CAME BEFORE IT, AND IT KICKED ASS!!!... duh... Why do you think so many saw Terminator 3? Don't you think that Terminator 2 had something to do with that? huh? Jesus christ.
And to say that WoW isn't the most successful MMO of the last 10 years is the same as saying, "hey guys, guess what? At least I have chicken."
Originally posted by Xanitra Please, lets be realistic here. Diablo 3 failed on almost every aspect, [...]
3.5 million boxes sold in the first 24 hours could only be considered 'failed' among the ranks of the gamer herd.
It's going to really be interesting to see how convoluted the explanations get for the inevitable huge sales of the D3 expac in light of the claimed 'failure' of D3 itself.
3.5 million copies sold.. and how many millions complained about the login error for the first week? how about the complaints about the crappy story line? the RMAH? The immune godlike NPCs .. the list went on. There were droves of players who demanded a refund and its not surprising why...
Diablo 3 was trash compared to Diablo 2's play style and content. Larger maps, more drops, larger parties, better story... hell Diablo 3 lacked in every catagory. Sure they had 3.5 million sales but i can almost guarantee you that a large portion of that player base dropped the game, demanded refunds, or got suckered into the year sub plan from WoW.
Just because Blizzard developed the game doesnt make it perfect. every game company drops the ball at least once. Lets hope Blizzard learned this time and will pay more attention to the players.
Hell maybe they should take a page from The Book of Chris Roberts... deal with the players as people, not dollar signs and youd get a better game out.
And to whoever said Diablo 2 revolutionized the game industry you're wrong... Wing Commander did it first by bringing better graphics to the PC and opening Pandora's box.
Originally posted by KingofHartz I just didn't want to rule out the possibility of the next xbox, the partnership between sony and blizz has clearly already been established.
I don't think Sony could afford an exclusive partnership with Blizzard, at this point.
Originally posted by ShakyMo It failed in comparison to diablo 2. Of course it shifted a lot of boxes on the opening week, that's because the 2 previous games in the series were so good, its got nothing to do with the quality of diablo 3.
Blizzard would be expecting many more players to still be playing it today, it hasn't retained players anything like d2 did.
If diablo 4 launched tomorrow "from the team that brought you diablo 3!, with new improved rmah", how many copies would it sell? A lot frikin less.
D3 has exceeded D2 by every metric including retention. It still does. D2 just wasn't that big a game for blizzard. The RMAH may have been less than stellar but the game itself is a solid success and becoming more successful all the time. It may hit fifteen million of the PC version sold well before the end of this year. Add in the console version and two expansions and it may rival Starcraft 2 some day.
lol...
You may want to stop & consider how different the market is today from when D2 came out. D2 WAS a big game for Blizzard. However the market has grown quite a lot since then. There are a lot more people playing games now, especially on PC. If D2 wasn't a big game for Blizzard, it wouldn't have had an expansion, and we certaintly wouldn't have had D3 (which, btw, was one of the most anticipated games when it came out).
- As for Blizzcon, I'm somewhat curious. Most signs point to this year's Blizzcon being terrible. The only thing Blizzard can really show to get people pumped would be Titan. They're kinda running out of stuff to be pumped out in all honesty. Unless you are one of those that are super stoked about their latest CCG clone.
Originally posted by KingofHartz I just didn't want to rule out the possibility of the next xbox, the partnership between sony and blizz has clearly already been established.
I don't think Sony could afford an exclusive partnership with Blizzard, at this point.
What would be the point of having an exclusive partnership w/ Blizzard? Blizzard doesn't make enough games. It would be an expensive proposition to lock down around ~2 titles that'll be mostly played on the PC anyway.
Originally posted by ShakyMo It failed in comparison to diablo 2. Of course it shifted a lot of boxes on the opening week, that's because the 2 previous games in the series were so good, its got nothing to do with the quality of diablo 3.
Blizzard would be expecting many more players to still be playing it today, it hasn't retained players anything like d2 did.
If diablo 4 launched tomorrow "from the team that brought you diablo 3!, with new improved rmah", how many copies would it sell? A lot frikin less.
D3 has exceeded D2 by every metric including retention. It still does. D2 just wasn't that big a game for blizzard. The RMAH may have been less than stellar but the game itself is a solid success and becoming more successful all the time. It may hit fifteen million of the PC version sold well before the end of this year. Add in the console version and two expansions and it may rival Starcraft 2 some day.
Exactly. D3 is a HUGE success for Blizzard. It's sold more units, and retains more players than D2. There are millions of people playing worldwide. Look at TwitchTV lately? There are sometimes over a hundred people streaming the game, with thousands of viewers. It's far from any sort of failure, and I can guarantee any expansion pack(s) will sell millions as well.
The only people who think the game is a failure are those bitter vets who wanted Diablo 2 with better graphics. To them, I say go play Path of Exile, and quit harping on how bad you think D3 is. There's no reason for you to continue, the game's been out for a bloody year, you've said your piece, MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY. You're not going to convince the multitudes of D3 fans that the game they've sunk hundreds of hours into sucks, especially not by bitching up a storm.
It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.
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I doubt they give any info on titans reason for this is they wait to see what SOE doing with EQNext in August and then try and copy it and polish it up more, i dont have a thing agaist Blizzard personaly but this is all they been doing with there games i am yet to see anything original come from blizzard themself.
Thats just my 2 copper
and who cares? what ever they do or even copy as you say, they do it far more better than any1 else and thats what matters. i hope they copy lets say warhammer and make it as it was meant to be. i m sure that blizz can make every single game that exists way better. so who cares?
There a reason why they do it better than other is because all the hard work is already done for them. having 2 weeks to come up with an idea develope the idea then polish it is alot hard than taking 2 week to copy and idea and then spend the whole time polishing it up, this is exactly what blizzard does and imho it makes them a subpar company in my eyes when thats all they do. When a company takes a risk and does somthing new that when they have earned my respect. (Again its just my option of it and you dont need to agree with me just had to voice my option)
so why the other companies cant do the same? they steal from wow more or less when they make a new game. they have all the time in the world to polish and produce a better product. why they dont do it? or in this planet the only gaming company that steals ideas is blizz. you are kidding right?
Not saying blizzard isnt the only one who does it didnt mention other since the original post was about Blizzard. Only a couple of the major company that i acualy have respect atm for taking risks and have tried somthing new SoE and Areananet being two of them who acualy tried some risks and do somthing new.
WOW was great. What did you expect? That a game that's nearly 8-10 years old will be amazing after all this time? Diablo 3 was very meh true. But what do you mean that SC2 was "typical"? Do you mean it was the same as SC1 cause I can assure that this couldn't be farther from the truth. It's one of the best games Blizzard have released ever. If you were a SC1 fan, I don't see what could possibly disappoint you about SC2.
In terms of Blizzard announcements I am only interested in two things. Titan of course and SC2 Legacy of the Void. But LoV is probably not going to be announced so soon after HoTS.
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Starcraft 2 did exactly what it strove to do. Just like every expansion for world of warcraft continued the exact same philosphy that made it great from the start. Player's expectations (in this instance) are unrealistic. It's like they expect the new ford mustang 2013 to suddenly be able to cross water or have wings and fly.
and you just discovered the carrot and the stick of ALL mmorpgs. Congrats.
I don't share the negative attitudes of most here.
Blizzard always manage to create an expansion that tempts most people back.
Last time for me it was pet battles.
My guess is that they will have something else up their sleeve.
wow is like the joke with the god. the one that you ask the god to kill neighbors good goat, instead of giving you one as good as neighbors.
ppl who dont play wow, dont care about if a new game is good. it doesnt matter if its better or not than wow. they only care how the wow will die.
That's what MMOs are about. They have always been like this. The first time I tried it, it was amazing. WoW was great in Vanilla because it was a fairly new thing for me then TBC reset everything but it was still great, actually much better than Vanilla in terms of gameplay (not theme though
). Then Wotlk did it again and I became bored.
This is the main reasons I don't play MMOs anymore. Once you have played 1 MMO for some time, you have seen all this genre has to offer imo. Back when I started I found this formula of loot grinding super addicting. That's what kept me playing D2 for ages. But I am bored now. That's why I have gone back to regular singeplayer/multiplayer game. Some of those games have a lot of replayability and are much better value than MMOs. MMOs offer horrible gameplay for solo players. It's mindnumbingly boring and easy. I would rather play games where I can play when I want and have fun by myself or with a couple of friends. I don't need a massive number of players to have fun. I play most of my games by myself or with a few friends.
But most importantly those games are all about the fun. MMOs seem to try to be everything BUT FUN! Just look at these forums. When you ask people what they want, fun rarely figures in their "wishlist".
Although one thing related to MMOs is super fun - trolling on MMORPG.com
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
3.5 million boxes sold in the first 24 hours could only be considered 'failed' among the ranks of the gamer herd.
It's going to really be interesting to see how convoluted the explanations get for the inevitable huge sales of the D3 expac in light of the claimed 'failure' of D3 itself.
Blizzard would be expecting many more players to still be playing it today, it hasn't retained players anything like d2 did.
If diablo 4 launched tomorrow "from the team that brought you diablo 3!, with new improved rmah", how many copies would it sell? A lot frikin less.
Success and quality aren't the sane thing though. E.g. the televisual and musical output if Simon frikin cowell.
Hydhra.. I don't know where you get your information from, but you are wrong. To base the success of Diablo 3 according to its opening sales, is because... DIABLO 2 CAME BEFORE IT, AND IT KICKED ASS!!!... duh... Why do you think so many saw Terminator 3? Don't you think that Terminator 2 had something to do with that? huh? Jesus christ.
And to say that WoW isn't the most successful MMO of the last 10 years is the same as saying, "hey guys, guess what? At least I have chicken."
ShaykoMo>> Thank you bro, have a nice day,.
I like you, your analogy is spot on.
3.5 million copies sold.. and how many millions complained about the login error for the first week? how about the complaints about the crappy story line? the RMAH? The immune godlike NPCs .. the list went on. There were droves of players who demanded a refund and its not surprising why...
Diablo 3 was trash compared to Diablo 2's play style and content. Larger maps, more drops, larger parties, better story... hell Diablo 3 lacked in every catagory. Sure they had 3.5 million sales but i can almost guarantee you that a large portion of that player base dropped the game, demanded refunds, or got suckered into the year sub plan from WoW.
Just because Blizzard developed the game doesnt make it perfect. every game company drops the ball at least once. Lets hope Blizzard learned this time and will pay more attention to the players.
Hell maybe they should take a page from The Book of Chris Roberts... deal with the players as people, not dollar signs and youd get a better game out.
And to whoever said Diablo 2 revolutionized the game industry you're wrong... Wing Commander did it first by bringing better graphics to the PC and opening Pandora's box.
Played: UO, LotR, WoW, SWG, DDO, AoC, EVE, Warhammer, TF2, EQ2, SWTOR, TSW, CSS, KF, L4D, AoW, WoT
Playing: The Secret World until Citadel of Sorcery goes into Alpha testing.
Tired of: Linear quest games, dailies, and dumbed down games
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I don't think Sony could afford an exclusive partnership with Blizzard, at this point.
You make me like charity
lol...
You may want to stop & consider how different the market is today from when D2 came out. D2 WAS a big game for Blizzard. However the market has grown quite a lot since then. There are a lot more people playing games now, especially on PC. If D2 wasn't a big game for Blizzard, it wouldn't have had an expansion, and we certaintly wouldn't have had D3 (which, btw, was one of the most anticipated games when it came out).
- As for Blizzcon, I'm somewhat curious. Most signs point to this year's Blizzcon being terrible. The only thing Blizzard can really show to get people pumped would be Titan. They're kinda running out of stuff to be pumped out in all honesty. Unless you are one of those that are super stoked about their latest CCG clone.
What would be the point of having an exclusive partnership w/ Blizzard? Blizzard doesn't make enough games. It would be an expensive proposition to lock down around ~2 titles that'll be mostly played on the PC anyway.
Exactly. D3 is a HUGE success for Blizzard. It's sold more units, and retains more players than D2. There are millions of people playing worldwide. Look at TwitchTV lately? There are sometimes over a hundred people streaming the game, with thousands of viewers. It's far from any sort of failure, and I can guarantee any expansion pack(s) will sell millions as well.
The only people who think the game is a failure are those bitter vets who wanted Diablo 2 with better graphics. To them, I say go play Path of Exile, and quit harping on how bad you think D3 is. There's no reason for you to continue, the game's been out for a bloody year, you've said your piece, MOVE THE FUCK ON ALREADY. You're not going to convince the multitudes of D3 fans that the game they've sunk hundreds of hours into sucks, especially not by bitching up a storm.
It's a sad day indeed when a family is too afraid of reprisals to publicly thank somebody for saving their lives.