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Which Version? (poll)
Wepps
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Okay so it looks like there may be yet another major change to the game, maybe even a reversion.
So, if you had a choice, which version would you prefer?
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
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Wepp all these "hints" and "unspoken rumors" are driving me crazy, besides smeds little mix up that may or may not have referred to a roll back, what exactly are you hearing on the grapevine? Do tell, as I spoke with someone on Tarq who normally has very, very good sources at 7:30 PM CST or so last night and she said "nothing is changing" then tonight when work slowed down a bit, I see she posted about 30 minutes later on the forums that we might have "big changes" as you have alluded to also. Something must have leaked last night?
Keep up the good work bro!
No comment on that.
If I claimed to have an inside source, people would call me a liar and want proof. If the proof is provided, the inside source goes away.
If I say I don't have an inside source, that could be a lie, and I don't believe in lying.
...and anybody can say anything on the Internet, doesn't mean it's true.
Anyway, source or no, it's still no proof of anything. In the end, it's only a guess based upon a feeling, which is derived from knowing these people a little better than most, by direct dealings with them.
If you want a guesstimate, look at it this way. The justification for their jobs exists only in the subscriber base, nothing else. That base is fast diminishing, and nobody wants to lose a job in December for obvious reasons.
I think they have reached a crescendo of cancellations, and enough feedback to realize that they really have no choice in the matter. Do it, or die and lose their jobs by default. (In fact, it has been reported on the forum that trying to cancel a subscription right now is an exercise in pain, suggesting that a lot of people are doing so even today)
"I sense something. It's as if a million resume's were suddenly generated and sent out."
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
I voted for Cu - but I have to add that this should include the positive aspects of the NGE - i.e finally including meaningfull quests with a star-warsy and heroic storyline (like the legacy quests) and other content.
However, i DO understand their reasons for the NGE - so they might as well keep working on it, but they should never ever have released it in its current state...
So I am not sure if rolling back the servers will really be a good idea on the long run. The NGE defintily has some great ideas. But they should have thought of the consequences before releasing this buggy piece of garbage.
Understood man, I hate flame wars, one of the reasons that I have played SWG almost two years and my "main" had 21 posts, just not worth the trouble to get spammed, although I have used the forums over there as a "research tool" of sorts since almost the beginning. What remains to be seen is how far that SOE is willing to go to try and win back some of the people who have already cancelled. At the risk of getting flamed, it would appear to me that smeds posting on a long holiday weekend might mean that cancellations so far are happening substantially faster than new subscribers are being signed up. Many of us saw posts where SOE apparently was ready for "acceptable loses" in return of increased growth with sales of the new Starter Kits. Now that I have calmed down over the lack of communication and respect for the customer base, I do see some things about the NGE that are positive, mostly related to quests and content. But could not much of this been implemented patch by patch concurrently with some bug fixes as well? (If your previous post on this board about managing resources over at SOE is close to the truth, then I guess not lol!)
Shift at work is almost over, will come in tonight and see what you have in response, take care man!
IF they did a reversion, then I'd want it to be CU. At least that way I won't lose so much work. I don't really think they could simply convert back to what we had, the NGE stripped away alot of stuff, so converting stats that no longer exist is not really possible. It would have to be a restore from a backup. With that in mind, they better not even consider going back to Pre-CU, everyone would lose 7 months of work and progress, something I would be VERY pissed about. Maybe they'll simply just open a CU server?
Next thing is, if they do a rollback, what about all those that have brought the Starter Kit for what the game is now? They've been promised whats in the NGE but then they load up and find it's nothing like that? False advertising lawsuits could arrise from that....
Nice post Wepps.
I'd have added 1 more option under the various options though:
X with Jedi but with Sabre TEF and Permadeath for Jedi after 3 deaths within 7 RL Days.
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Thanks.
Also, this poll is 'proof of concept' that The Community has no idea what it wants, and might point out the fact that really SOE has painted themselves into a corner here.
If they do one thing, they lose the others.
The poll results right now are about what I expected, spread out all over the place with no real concensus.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
Thanks.
Also, this poll is 'proof of concept' that The Community has no idea what it wants, and might point out the fact that really SOE has painted themselves into a corner here.
If they do one thing, they lose the others.
The poll results right now are about what I expected, spread out all over the place with no real concensus.
I dunno... I see a pretty solid concensus regarding going back to "CU" version servers. With or without Jedi. 55.5% of those responding said to go back to CU (some with, some without jedi, more without) and only 20% said to go back to the original version. Another 20% or so said to just let the game die.
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CU with actual content in the game, instead of being a Bounty Hunter vs Jedi thing.
But I find such conversations futile, there is not going to be any "roll back" no matter how much we whine. It would be best, instead, to point out to the development team how they can fix their new combat system to actually be fun, as well as what content changes are needed. Investors do not like to see firms that cannot form concrete plans, and reverting to the old code would show just that.
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* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
In other words, do what Wepps was doing since mid-beta.
Not a word of it got through to them. Even as a correspondent, they just didn't want to hear it.
I got so tired of arguing with them and having it bounce off the brickheads that I finally just gave up and quit.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
In other words, do what Wepps was doing since mid-beta.
Not a word of it got through to them. Even as a correspondent, they just didn't want to hear it.
I got so tired of arguing with them and having it bounce off the brickheads that I finally just gave up and quit.
I was in Beta from phase 1 to release.
Wepps is speaking the truth. About halfway through phase 2 they stopped listening to the beta testers for the most part. They still got our bug reports and some bugs even got stomped. But our ideas for content went into file 13 (trashcan) from all I could see. Not a single suggestion that was made during beta (and there were some *awesome* suggestions) was implemented.
As a matter of fact it was for exactly that reason (and the utter lack of spaceflight) that I did not buy the game at release. I didn't buy it till over a year later (june 2004 in fact) when they had finally adressed some of the more glaring issues (lack of content) and JTL was soon to come out.
And in release it sure seemed to me like the only players they were listening to were Jedi... with an occasional nod to Bounty Hunters whenever they accidently made Jedi so powerful that BH's would start quitting in droves.
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In other words, do what Wepps was doing since mid-beta.
Not a word of it got through to them. Even as a correspondent, they just didn't want to hear it.
I got so tired of arguing with them and having it bounce off the brickheads that I finally just gave up and quit.
I was in Beta from phase 1 to release.
Wepps is speaking the truth. About halfway through phase 2 they stopped listening to the beta testers for the most part. They still got our bug reports and some bugs even got stomped. But our ideas for content went into file 13 (trashcan) from all I could see. Not a single suggestion that was made during beta (and there were some *awesome* suggestions) was implemented.
As a matter of fact it was for exactly that reason (and the utter lack of spaceflight) that I did not buy the game at release. I didn't buy it till over a year later (june 2004 in fact) when they had finally adressed some of the more glaring issues (lack of content) and JTL was soon to come out.
And in release it sure seemed to me like the only players they were listening to were Jedi... with an occasional nod to Bounty Hunters whenever they accidently made Jedi so powerful that BH's would start quitting in droves.
Aye. And as to your earlier post, yeah I agree the CU is superior to the old game.
The old game really WAS so complex that just balancing it wa snearly impossible even for other than the amateurs in this team.
The creation of the CU allows for a lot of immersive content too. I don't want them to lose that WANT - to get the game in a immersive state like they have tried to do with NGE. And this is really the only reason I support the NGE, it adds more star wars than any previous version.
If the community is NOT CLEAR on this issue, much can be lost too.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
In other words, do what Wepps was doing since mid-beta.
Not a word of it got through to them. Even as a correspondent, they just didn't want to hear it.
I got so tired of arguing with them and having it bounce off the brickheads that I finally just gave up and quit.
I was in Beta from phase 1 to release.
Wepps is speaking the truth. About halfway through phase 2 they stopped listening to the beta testers for the most part. They still got our bug reports and some bugs even got stomped. But our ideas for content went into file 13 (trashcan) from all I could see. Not a single suggestion that was made during beta (and there were some *awesome* suggestions) was implemented.
As a matter of fact it was for exactly that reason (and the utter lack of spaceflight) that I did not buy the game at release. I didn't buy it till over a year later (june 2004 in fact) when they had finally adressed some of the more glaring issues (lack of content) and JTL was soon to come out.
And in release it sure seemed to me like the only players they were listening to were Jedi... with an occasional nod to Bounty Hunters whenever they accidently made Jedi so powerful that BH's would start quitting in droves.
Aye. And as to your earlier post, yeah I agree the CU is superior to the old game.
The old game really WAS so complex that just balancing it wa snearly impossible even for other than the amateurs in this team.
The creation of the CU allows for a lot of immersive content too. I don't want them to lose that WANT - to get the game in a immersive state like they have tried to do with NGE. And this is really the only reason I support the NGE, it adds more star wars than any previous version.
If the community is NOT CLEAR on this issue, much can be lost too.
Oh I definitely agree the new content they added is great. It feels MUCH more like star wars. I even like the new combat system.
But both of those could have been done without ripping up the whole skill system that made the game so much fun, and so custom to YOU, the player. It lost a TON of depth due to NGE. Yes, it gained some 'feel' but I think the loss of depth is worse than the gain of a few storyline quests which could have been done without affecting the "game" at all.
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In other words, do what Wepps was doing since mid-beta.
Not a word of it got through to them. Even as a correspondent, they just didn't want to hear it.
I got so tired of arguing with them and having it bounce off the brickheads that I finally just gave up and quit.
I am well aware of that, Wepps. I was in beta too, though in its latter stages, and I've followed the progression of the game ever since. But any talk about reverting the servers back to an older build is just wishful thinking and futile, it ain't gonna happen.
I couldn't agree more.
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* City of Heroes: Deggial, Assault Rifle/Devices Blaster. Server: Defiant.
* City of Villains: Snakeroot, Plant/Thorns Dominator. Server: Defiant.
The problem with a "what do we want" front is that they have kept denying since the CU that there's the word "rollback" in their vocabulary. Our fantasies about a pre-cu or a jedi-free server were just that.. fantasy.
We know what we want, but we also know one uniting thing, we HATE THE NGE.
The problem with pre-cu is will they let us port our work since the CU? Or are we back to the server backup point before they rolled the cu out? Sure, I won't have 100 million creds, but I will have my NS bracer back. All trade offs I can live with.
But knowing $OE... it would be a pre-nge server. Would be much easier for them, and would be the likely option. Every expansion is coded for the CU, and they could pull a smegley "what does the CU need to fix?" B.S. post and quell the community with a free month and double xp or something.
They have already looked at running separate servers (as I said before, but some here didn't believe me) and Smegley said they didn't want to do that. I think right now they may not have a choice. The nge is new coke and they know it. They didn't WANT to do it, but they may HAVE to do it to keep their jobs.
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I don't like the NGE and I wasn't too fond of the CU. IMHO they need to decide what game they want to make and stick with it. A whole load of problems arise when they start chaning stuff because of what they read in the forums. We all want a different game. I want one thing, you want another, that other person wants something else. All three things probably contradict each other so they try to compromise each suggestion. In the end, nobody got what they asked for and everyone is unhappy.
I started in the original game and really liked it and so did alot of people I played with. SOE decides to give in to the people that wanted something different though and changed it. A lot of my friends left after the CU. I kept playing, although I didn't enjoy it as much.
Funny though, the people that flamed me for "whining" about the CU are now seeing things from my perspective.
Peronally, I don't care which system they use, I just wish they would quit changing the core of the game. If they want to try something different, start a new game and leave the one I bought alone or end it outright so I can move on. I have 2+ years invested in my characters and it is hard to just give them up.
Oh.. forgot to add.
I'll take a pre-cu server with all the expansions please. Jedi are optional because pre-cu they WEREN'T AN ALPHA CLASS.
That, and we could group up to hunt them.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
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We will need more votes than this to get a good feedback post for SOE.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
they are pretty much all good choices , but I think is wont matter which one you pick all 3 versions were broken and buggy and laggy. They need to ( hate to say this) scrap it take it away for 6 months and come back with something new. Which ever system they want to pick they need to say FINALLY THIS IS IT , there will be no more core changes or we will refund every cent ever spent by every person on this game. That motivtaes them to fix it in a big way.
thats a nice wish huh not very business like but eh im allowed to have dumb ideas every now and then.
SOE cant recover players even if they released they greatest game in history no one would believe them so no one would try it.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
As Forest Gump would say Im not a smart man, so this of Corse is just my opinion.
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With the starter kit and the console game, If we ever see any kind of rollback it will have to involve running at least two different versions on different server sets.
The Force tells me this will never happen.
But MAN, I HOPE IM WRONG !!
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They are having a tough enough time trying to get one version ironed out. If they had even only two, they would never finish it.
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"For one who seeks what he cannot obtain suffers torture; one who has what is not desirable is cheated; and one who does not seek what is worth seeking is diseased." - Augustine of Hippo
I know your right.
What was I thinking; we would be lucky to get 3 or 4 hours a week up time on the servers.
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