"I also noticed when I posted some end game gear in the auction house which I got from delves chests, they were not found from the search and thus I lost the exchange fee and after 4 days none got sold. I did give out a buyout also and from another account and the gateway I checked and my end game gear was not found. This is so weird.
There is some unscrupulous activity throughout the game which you cannot pin-point but it exists."
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Although I understand the long term problem of having players running around with 900 million AD. For the most part the damage to the AD/Zen market and the game's economy is moot. I don't think some people here understand the entire way the AD/Zen market works. Player A buys Zen for cash and makes a few purchases at the Zen store. After making whatever purchases he wants, he then decides to put the remaining Zen on the AD/Zen market to get some AD. He sets a price and how much Zen he has to offer and continues playing. Player Z just utilized the AH dupe to gain 10 million AD and it looking to convert his exploited AD into Zen. Player Z goes to the AD/Zen market and buys up all the Zen he can. So he basically buys all the leftover Zen that players A-Y have placed on the open market at the respective price points they set.
Players A-Y all have the AD at the prices they asked for and player Z has a shitload of Zen he uses to buy all kinds of shit from the Zen store and floods the AH with tons and i mean TONS of Zen related merchandise that would normally takes months to reach players who would never spend cash on Zen in the first place. So now the AH and trade channel are overloaded with items that basically drive the prices down for those that use legit means to get AD. Can they buy Zen for the outrageous prices that dupers are? No. But what is the point of them getting Zen in the first place if not for getting the things dupers are buying and giving away for dirt cheap though the trade channel or AH anyway?
Like I said. If left unchecked for the long term, yes, this would be a problem. But not for players. They are getting the AD they want, the Zen store items they want (for cheap) and the Zen they want (for prices set by the players). Only ones losing out will be PWE and Cryptic. Because eventually everyone will get what they want a lot sooner and have no need for the Zen store or Zen for that matter if they cannot stop the bleeding.
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
I put up an item in the auction for a million, and it was sold within minutes. I was like wow, never had so much money. I bought a few very cheap items (unusually cheap), sold them back and made even more.
I never exploited, but because people bought my stuff and were selling things so cheap...what happens to people like me that are in similar situations?
(edit: I was even giving away money to newbies that needed money, because I had so much. I had no idea that anything weird was going on, I was just playing the game lol)
(editx2: People were also giving stuff away on chat, which usually doesn't happen in MMOs. Also, saw unusual activity 3 days ago, people giving away rather unusual amount of money to new people (I had 100k the first day I logged in). But I thought it was just part of the game and that the community was just really nice)
My Skyrim, Fallout 4, Starbound and WoW + other game mods at MODDB:
I still see this game is being run like an ant eater trying to scratch its own arse and not succeeding. This game seems to suffer more downtime and lag than it is actually running for, not to mention when it is running there is lagg. Some will say its still in beta, I along with countless others say beta my arse, as soon as they started taking money its in release period. Otherwise its like saying pay me that lottery jackpot winnings even though its not been drawn yet (if only).
You know what I am sorry for you that you are not having fun but this statement is pure BS. The game has had some downtime sure but been up most of the time and when it is up I find the play smooth and fun. As for downtime it seems to average about an hour a day, this BTW is the same as EVE.
Seeing I have played this game during most of beta and now the so called "open beta" I can say that there have been more downtime and maintenance times in this game than any other MMO I have recently beta tested. Now take into consideration how many bought founder packs and spent real money in the Zen shop during a so called "beta" and this is going to become toxic. To boot after all these patch and maintenance times not many of the important issues were being addressed. I LOL at the exploits, Cryptic and PWE are now just showing their inability to produce an AAA or even an AA game. I believe the only way to recover from this is to wipe all servers... refund all items purchased with real money... fix the exploits and other major issues and don't release until you can call it a "Launch"!
I put up an item in the auction for a million, and it was sold within minutes. I was like wow, never had so much money. I bought a few very cheap items (unusually cheap), sold them back and made even more.
I never exploited, but because people bought my stuff and were selling things so cheap...what happens to people like me that are in similar situations?
(edit: I was even giving away money to newbies that needed money, because I had so much. I had no idea that anything weird was going on, I was just playing the game lol)
(editx2: People were also giving stuff away on chat, which usually doesn't happen in MMOs. Also, saw unusual activity 3 days ago, people giving away rather unusual amount of money to new people (I had 100k the first day I logged in). But I thought it was just part of the game and that the community was just really nice)
You've nailed the problem of there's no way they fix the economy without a wipe.
Guilds have been laundering money like this for days/weeks now.
They do not have the man power to sort through every single one of these transactions.
No one does.
They likely will do a small roll back and claim its fixed , when actually the economy will be permanently blown up.
Although I understand the long term problem of having players running around with 900 million AD. For the most part the damage to the AD/Zen market and the game's economy is moot. I don't think some people here understand the entire way the AD/Zen market works. Player A buys Zen for cash and makes a few purchases at the Zen store. After making whatever purchases he wants, he then decides to put the remaining Zen on the AD/Zen market to get some AD. He sets a price and how much Zen he has to offer and continues playing. Player Z just utilized the AH dupe to gain 10 million AD and it looking to convert his exploited AD into Zen. Player Z goes to the AD/Zen market and buys up all the Zen he can. So he basically buys all the leftover Zen that players A-Y have placed on the open market at the respective price points they set.
Players A-Y all have the AD at the prices they asked for and player Z has a shitload of Zen he uses to buy all kinds of shit from the Zen store and floods the AH with tons and i mean TONS of Zen related merchandise that would normally takes months to reach players who would never spend cash on Zen in the first place. So now the AH and trade channel are overloaded with items that basically drive the prices down for those that use legit means to get AD. Can they buy Zen for the outrageous prices that dupers are? No. But what is the point of them getting Zen in the first place if not for getting the things dupers are buying and giving away for dirt cheap though the trade channel or AH anyway?
Like I said. If left unchecked for the long term, yes, this would be a problem. But not for players. They are getting the AD they want, the Zen store items they want (for cheap) and the Zen they want (for prices set by the players). Only ones losing out will be PWE and Cryptic. Because eventually everyone will get what they want a lot sooner and have no need for the Zen store or Zen for that matter if they cannot stop the bleeding.
there is a lope hole in tis logic, some of the zen for sell is via, the company, this is how they prove their claim of everything can be gotten via in game currency only.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
Although I understand the long term problem of having players running around with 900 million AD. For the most part the damage to the AD/Zen market and the game's economy is moot. I don't think some people here understand the entire way the AD/Zen market works. Player A buys Zen for cash and makes a few purchases at the Zen store. After making whatever purchases he wants, he then decides to put the remaining Zen on the AD/Zen market to get some AD. He sets a price and how much Zen he has to offer and continues playing. Player Z just utilized the AH dupe to gain 10 million AD and it looking to convert his exploited AD into Zen. Player Z goes to the AD/Zen market and buys up all the Zen he can. So he basically buys all the leftover Zen that players A-Y have placed on the open market at the respective price points they set.
Players A-Y all have the AD at the prices they asked for and player Z has a shitload of Zen he uses to buy all kinds of shit from the Zen store and floods the AH with tons and i mean TONS of Zen related merchandise that would normally takes months to reach players who would never spend cash on Zen in the first place. So now the AH and trade channel are overloaded with items that basically drive the prices down for those that use legit means to get AD. Can they buy Zen for the outrageous prices that dupers are? No. But what is the point of them getting Zen in the first place if not for getting the things dupers are buying and giving away for dirt cheap though the trade channel or AH anyway?
Like I said. If left unchecked for the long term, yes, this would be a problem. But not for players. They are getting the AD they want, the Zen store items they want (for cheap) and the Zen they want (for prices set by the players). Only ones losing out will be PWE and Cryptic. Because eventually everyone will get what they want a lot sooner and have no need for the Zen store or Zen for that matter if they cannot stop the bleeding.
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
That's why I mentioned that it's more of a problem if they don't plug the leak. Which they are actively doing as we speak. I have no worries that PWE/Cryptic will weed out those with astronomical AD balances and deal with them accordingly. And if they are truly successful at doing so, this short burst of unchecked AD (which is free currency anyway) will be a boon to those players not keen on spending real cash. Especially if the AD dupers know their time is limited and start to "disperse" their illegal AD.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Although I understand the long term problem of having players running around with 900 million AD. For the most part the damage to the AD/Zen market and the game's economy is moot. I don't think some people here understand the entire way the AD/Zen market works. Player A buys Zen for cash and makes a few purchases at the Zen store. After making whatever purchases he wants, he then decides to put the remaining Zen on the AD/Zen market to get some AD. He sets a price and how much Zen he has to offer and continues playing. Player Z just utilized the AH dupe to gain 10 million AD and it looking to convert his exploited AD into Zen. Player Z goes to the AD/Zen market and buys up all the Zen he can. So he basically buys all the leftover Zen that players A-Y have placed on the open market at the respective price points they set.
Players A-Y all have the AD at the prices they asked for and player Z has a shitload of Zen he uses to buy all kinds of shit from the Zen store and floods the AH with tons and i mean TONS of Zen related merchandise that would normally takes months to reach players who would never spend cash on Zen in the first place. So now the AH and trade channel are overloaded with items that basically drive the prices down for those that use legit means to get AD. Can they buy Zen for the outrageous prices that dupers are? No. But what is the point of them getting Zen in the first place if not for getting the things dupers are buying and giving away for dirt cheap though the trade channel or AH anyway?
Like I said. If left unchecked for the long term, yes, this would be a problem. But not for players. They are getting the AD they want, the Zen store items they want (for cheap) and the Zen they want (for prices set by the players). Only ones losing out will be PWE and Cryptic. Because eventually everyone will get what they want a lot sooner and have no need for the Zen store or Zen for that matter if they cannot stop the bleeding.
there is a lope hole in tis logic, some of the zen for sell is via, the company, this is how they prove their claim of everything can be gotten via in game currency only.
If they were smart one of the first things they would have done was suspend their own Zen sales. But even if they didn't dupers would be selling their duped AD to a blackhole (the company who won't spend it anyway) thus removing billions of free duped AD while in the process keeping the conversion prices high for those selling their extra Zen anyway.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
That's why I mentioned that it's more of a problem if they don't plug the leak. Which they are actively doing as we speak. I have no worries that PWE/Cryptic will weed out those with astronomical AD balances and deal with them accordingly. And if they are truly successful at doing so, this short burst of unchecked AD (which is free currency anyway) will be a boon to those players not keen on spending real cash. Especially if the AD dupers know their time is limited and start to "disperse" their illegal AD.
Wish I had your optomism.
Here's what happened:
Their out of game service (the gateway), which is a website which you can use to trade in-game items & check up on your character, had a huge oversight in the code. People who put in a negative bid on an item (via that gateway) got that much AD put on their character instantly, and could do so as many times as they liked. So people were literally creating money out of thin air.
Furthermore, people who put negative bids on items people were actually trying to auction, could actually win the item AND get free money, while the person who posted the item gets a full 1 AD for their troubles. They are patching up the exploit as we speak.
However, this has already affected the entirety of all 3 servers. The market is completely torpedoed atm. Everything of value was bought up instantly or stolen, There IS no zen on the market anymore because players have bought it all up. It's also impossible to tell how long this exploit has been going on. The gateway's been operational since the start of Open Beta. Most of this conjured AD has already permiated the market, been given away to innocent people / traded, etc.
It's not as simple as even a 1day rollback. This is an issue that's been going on for a while, and just now blew up in Cryptics face.
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
That's why I mentioned that it's more of a problem if they don't plug the leak. Which they are actively doing as we speak. I have no worries that PWE/Cryptic will weed out those with astronomical AD balances and deal with them accordingly. And if they are truly successful at doing so, this short burst of unchecked AD (which is free currency anyway) will be a boon to those players not keen on spending real cash. Especially if the AD dupers know their time is limited and start to "disperse" their illegal AD.
Wish I had your optomism.
Here's what happened:
Their out of game service (the gateway), which is a website which you can use to trade in-game items & check up on your character, had a huge oversight in the code. People who put in a negative bid on an item (via that gateway) got that much AD put on their character instantly, and could do so as many times as they liked. So people were literally creating money out of thin air.
Furthermore, people who put negative bids on items people were actually trying to auction, could actually win the item AND get free money, while the person who posted the item gets a full 1 AD for their troubles. They are patching up the exploit as we speak.
However, this has already affected the entirety of all 3 servers. The market is completely torpedoed atm. Everything of value was bought up instantly or stolen, There IS no zen on the market anymore because players have bought it all up. It's also impossible to tell how long this exploit has been going on. The gateway's been operational since the start of Open Beta. Most of this conjured AD has already permiated the market, been given away to innocent people / traded, etc.
It's not as simple as even a 1day rollback. This is an issue that's been going on for a while, and just now blew up in Cryptics face.
Complete server wipe and complete restart from your founder's pack goodies is what they should do and continue.
Else this is another crappy management trying to sell another crappy mmo.
Cheers Sourajit Nandi
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I must admit that I was a bit puzzled when I saw gold-seller spam in the ingame chat a week after "launch". I was wondering how they could already have acquired such large stocks of AD to be offering pricing by the million of AD so soon after launch.
Now it all makes sense...
...and that's why a 24hours rollback wouldn't solve anything. The economy is already in this stage: http://youtu.be/Upez33EGiRA
I hope they won't pull a RaiderZ 2.0 with a "solution" of few bans, some AD wipe and: -ok, we managed to solve the problem, you can go now and continue playing...
That's exactly what they gonna do.
All they do is giving out 72 hour bans. Probably remove some AD here and there that they can track easily enough to put a positive PR spin on it.
You can bet most of the duped AD stays in circulation. They don't care. Damage has already been done.
All they gonna do now is damage Control and try put a positive PR spin on it. Already they played their "Open Beta" card on Twitter LOL!
I must admit that I was a bit puzzled when I saw gold-seller spam in the ingame chat a week after "launch". I was wondering how they could already have acquired such large stocks of AD to be offering pricing by the million of AD so soon after launch.
Now it all makes sense...
...and that's why a 24hours rollback wouldn't solve anything. The economy is already in this stage: http://youtu.be/Upez33EGiRA
I hope they won't pull a RaiderZ 2.0 with a "solution" of few bans, some AD wipe and: -ok, we managed to solve the problem, you can go now and continue playing...
That's exactly what they gonna do.
All they do is giving out 72 hour bans. Probably remove some AD here and there that they can track easily enough to put a positive PR spin on it.
You can bet most of the duped AD stays in circulation. They don't care. Damage has already been done.
All they gonna do now is damage Control and try put a positive PR spin on it. Already they played their "Open Beta" card on Twitter LOL!
I'm not disagreeing with you,I just hope the hell you're wrong
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
Only a complete wipe can fix this (with a proper code fix of course).
Damage to reputation can not be fixed.
Since many were spending they money during this period complete refunds would be in order. Which will never happen since no company in the world has the guts to be ethical about business.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
That's why I mentioned that it's more of a problem if they don't plug the leak. Which they are actively doing as we speak. I have no worries that PWE/Cryptic will weed out those with astronomical AD balances and deal with them accordingly. And if they are truly successful at doing so, this short burst of unchecked AD (which is free currency anyway) will be a boon to those players not keen on spending real cash. Especially if the AD dupers know their time is limited and start to "disperse" their illegal AD.
Wish I had your optomism.
Here's what happened:
Their out of game service (the gateway), which is a website which you can use to trade in-game items & check up on your character, had a huge oversight in the code. People who put in a negative bid on an item (via that gateway) got that much AD put on their character instantly, and could do so as many times as they liked. So people were literally creating money out of thin air.
Furthermore, people who put negative bids on items people were actually trying to auction, could actually win the item AND get free money, while the person who posted the item gets a full 1 AD for their troubles. They are patching up the exploit as we speak.
However, this has already affected the entirety of all 3 servers. The market is completely torpedoed atm. Everything of value was bought up instantly or stolen, There IS no zen on the market anymore because players have bought it all up. It's also impossible to tell how long this exploit has been going on. The gateway's been operational since the start of Open Beta. Most of this conjured AD has already permiated the market, been given away to innocent people / traded, etc.
It's not as simple as even a 1day rollback. This is an issue that's been going on for a while, and just now blew up in Cryptics face.
They can track anyone who placed a negative bid and since the AH is a separate entity (gateway) than the character server then they can pinpoint the item in question by isolating the AH data and track those that log in to collect their AD (since you can only collect in-game). Thus they have a record of the amount bid (in and out of the game), the item (in and out of the game) and a in-game mail noting the seller.
Also I almost guarantee that only those that protest about losing items from the AH will get them back. Since it would require immense amounts of manpower to shift through the data.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Sigh - some of you Pollyanna s who think they are going to track all the way that guilds have used this bug and then laundered it through tons of legitimate sales to non exploiters just don't get it.
its obvious campanys don't care for loyal customers
When a company is launching a faulty game design and calling it beta. When the same company is looting / cheating it's player base through micro-transactions under beta. When the game is unfinished and unplayable with numerous exploits and bugs.
It just feels like you didn't buy a founder's pack to support a developer. Instead you just supported a shameful malpractice and you are expected to support this kind of corporate methods for years to come.
This ain't legal and this is just SHAME !!!
Cheers Sourajit Nandi
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Only a complete wipe can fix this (with a proper code fix of course).
Damage to reputation can not be fixed.
Since many were spending they money during this period complete refunds would be in order. Which will never happen since no company in the world has the guts to be ethical about business.
This will never happen for a company like PWI or Cryptic.
They are here to loot / cheat their player base to glory.
Been that way and with that business model since their beginning.
Cheers Sourajit Nandi
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Originally posted by Dahkoht Sigh - some of you Pollyanna s who think they are going to track all the way that guilds have used this bug and then laundered it through tons of legitimate sales to non exploiters just don't get it.
All of that is not needed. All they need to do:
Track negative bids
Track characters with usually large AD balances
Usually large Zen purchases
Cross reference all three flags, ban said accounts, wipe balances and return items to players asking for returns from the AH. Not very hard to do seeing as PWE keeps track of all of your Zen purchases from the very first time you bought any for any of their games.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Originally posted by Dahkoht Sigh - some of you Pollyanna s who think they are going to track all the way that guilds have used this bug and then laundered it through tons of legitimate sales to non exploiters just don't get it.
All of that is not needed. All they need to do:
Track negative bids
Track characters with usually large AD balances
Usually large Zen purchases
Cross reference all three flags, ban said accounts, wipe balances and return items to players asking for returns from the AH. Not very hard to do seeing as PWE keeps track of all of your Zen purchases from the very first time you bought any for any of their games.
That's not going to solve the problem.
Many of the exploiters did so from fresh accounts, and then gave the stuff away to other players (trading, etc.) People were giving away free cats, Ioun stones, enchants, etc. in Protector's Enclave.
The damage is done. They can ban the original offenders, but that's not going to prevent the market from being completely bought up w/ fake money (zen and items alike), and it's not going to stop the thousands of free (high value) items now floating around the game. The items are even legit, so it's not like with duping where they can trace item IDs easily.
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Here is where I posted the hint of this bug a few hours ago before it actually got public and became this big:
Posted at (5/19/13 10:21:00 AM) much before the exploit got public.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5736650#5736650
"I also noticed when I posted some end game gear in the auction house which I got from delves chests, they were not found from the search and thus I lost the exchange fee and after 4 days none got sold. I did give out a buyout also and from another account and the gateway I checked and my end game gear was not found. This is so weird.
There is some unscrupulous activity throughout the game which you cannot pin-point but it exists."
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
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I would call it poor software design to begin with.
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FAILwinter...meanwhile over at WOW everything is working perfectly
The problem I can see is the pricing of everything,whether ad to zen or zen to ad.Plus the ah market prices controlled by the cheaters that have 9954713525 ad and manipulate ah pricing.The thing I learned in WoW is that people play the ah to get the most profit,thus the price's don't go down.People buy blue/purple item's when they see them cheap.they then re list them at a profit.
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I put up an item in the auction for a million, and it was sold within minutes. I was like wow, never had so much money. I bought a few very cheap items (unusually cheap), sold them back and made even more.
I never exploited, but because people bought my stuff and were selling things so cheap...what happens to people like me that are in similar situations?
(edit: I was even giving away money to newbies that needed money, because I had so much. I had no idea that anything weird was going on, I was just playing the game lol)
(editx2: People were also giving stuff away on chat, which usually doesn't happen in MMOs. Also, saw unusual activity 3 days ago, people giving away rather unusual amount of money to new people (I had 100k the first day I logged in). But I thought it was just part of the game and that the community was just really nice)
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Seeing I have played this game during most of beta and now the so called "open beta" I can say that there have been more downtime and maintenance times in this game than any other MMO I have recently beta tested. Now take into consideration how many bought founder packs and spent real money in the Zen shop during a so called "beta" and this is going to become toxic. To boot after all these patch and maintenance times not many of the important issues were being addressed. I LOL at the exploits, Cryptic and PWE are now just showing their inability to produce an AAA or even an AA game. I believe the only way to recover from this is to wipe all servers... refund all items purchased with real money... fix the exploits and other major issues and don't release until you can call it a "Launch"!
You've nailed the problem of there's no way they fix the economy without a wipe.
Guilds have been laundering money like this for days/weeks now.
They do not have the man power to sort through every single one of these transactions.
No one does.
They likely will do a small roll back and claim its fixed , when actually the economy will be permanently blown up.
there is a lope hole in tis logic, some of the zen for sell is via, the company, this is how they prove their claim of everything can be gotten via in game currency only.
F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.
That's why I mentioned that it's more of a problem if they don't plug the leak. Which they are actively doing as we speak. I have no worries that PWE/Cryptic will weed out those with astronomical AD balances and deal with them accordingly. And if they are truly successful at doing so, this short burst of unchecked AD (which is free currency anyway) will be a boon to those players not keen on spending real cash. Especially if the AD dupers know their time is limited and start to "disperse" their illegal AD.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
If they were smart one of the first things they would have done was suspend their own Zen sales. But even if they didn't dupers would be selling their duped AD to a blackhole (the company who won't spend it anyway) thus removing billions of free duped AD while in the process keeping the conversion prices high for those selling their extra Zen anyway.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Wish I had your optomism.
Here's what happened:
Their out of game service (the gateway), which is a website which you can use to trade in-game items & check up on your character, had a huge oversight in the code. People who put in a negative bid on an item (via that gateway) got that much AD put on their character instantly, and could do so as many times as they liked. So people were literally creating money out of thin air.
Furthermore, people who put negative bids on items people were actually trying to auction, could actually win the item AND get free money, while the person who posted the item gets a full 1 AD for their troubles. They are patching up the exploit as we speak.
However, this has already affected the entirety of all 3 servers. The market is completely torpedoed atm. Everything of value was bought up instantly or stolen, There IS no zen on the market anymore because players have bought it all up. It's also impossible to tell how long this exploit has been going on. The gateway's been operational since the start of Open Beta. Most of this conjured AD has already permiated the market, been given away to innocent people / traded, etc.
It's not as simple as even a 1day rollback. This is an issue that's been going on for a while, and just now blew up in Cryptics face.
It's been 2 hours since the last Tweet that said: "...it will be at least 2 hours..."
Now it's:
Complete server wipe and complete restart from your founder's pack goodies is what they should do and continue.
Else this is another crappy management trying to sell another crappy mmo.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
That's exactly what they gonna do.
All they do is giving out 72 hour bans. Probably remove some AD here and there that they can track easily enough to put a positive PR spin on it.
You can bet most of the duped AD stays in circulation. They don't care. Damage has already been done.
All they gonna do now is damage Control and try put a positive PR spin on it. Already they played their "Open Beta" card on Twitter LOL!
I'm not disagreeing with you,I just hope the hell you're wrong
Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!
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Only a complete wipe can fix this (with a proper code fix of course).
Damage to reputation can not be fixed.
Since many were spending they money during this period complete refunds would be in order. Which will never happen since no company in the world has the guts to be ethical about business.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
this was just on twitter:
Neverwinter 5m
omgitzslashgame I see people saying "wipe" -- do you mean like a complete, beginning-of-time wipe? I can guarantee that won't happe
so now i have a 200 dollar spider mount.
yay, i'm so happy now i could cry...
They can track anyone who placed a negative bid and since the AH is a separate entity (gateway) than the character server then they can pinpoint the item in question by isolating the AH data and track those that log in to collect their AD (since you can only collect in-game). Thus they have a record of the amount bid (in and out of the game), the item (in and out of the game) and a in-game mail noting the seller.
Also I almost guarantee that only those that protest about losing items from the AH will get them back. Since it would require immense amounts of manpower to shift through the data.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
i want my 200$ back.
its obvious campanys don't care for loyal customers
I have seen you do the very same thing to games you are not a fan of.
When a company is launching a faulty game design and calling it beta. When the same company is looting / cheating it's player base through micro-transactions under beta. When the game is unfinished and unplayable with numerous exploits and bugs.
It just feels like you didn't buy a founder's pack to support a developer. Instead you just supported a shameful malpractice and you are expected to support this kind of corporate methods for years to come.
This ain't legal and this is just SHAME !!!
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
This will never happen for a company like PWI or Cryptic.
They are here to loot / cheat their player base to glory.
Been that way and with that business model since their beginning.
Cheers
Sourajit Nandi
" Don't listen to anyone who tells you that you can't play this or that. That's nonsense. Make up your mind,and you'll never whine or repent about gaming hours anymore, then have a go at every Game. Open up the Internet, join in all the Mmorpgs you can. Go make the Guild. But never, never let them persuade you that things are too difficult or impossible. "
Once An Addict Always An Addict .
All of that is not needed. All they need to do:
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
That's not going to solve the problem.
Many of the exploiters did so from fresh accounts, and then gave the stuff away to other players (trading, etc.) People were giving away free cats, Ioun stones, enchants, etc. in Protector's Enclave.
The damage is done. They can ban the original offenders, but that's not going to prevent the market from being completely bought up w/ fake money (zen and items alike), and it's not going to stop the thousands of free (high value) items now floating around the game. The items are even legit, so it's not like with duping where they can trace item IDs easily.