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How so?
world is busy and stressful today, most people work whole day from waking up with minute schedule. now these people also love gaming and online gaming. but tell me if we go back to old day mmos where you need to stand anda wait and talk hours to form a party and group not even talking about raid to even get started. how can one pay and do all the other stuff that requires these minute shedules in life? now you say dont work if you like gaming but heck. if you dont want to be lifetime befefiter and have none to look after than yourself then you got allthetime in the world for wait ingame aslong as you like.
thats why today mmos are more arcade than ever, so that people who have limited time can also enjoy playing them.
I understand where you're coming from but... in EVE-Online at least that's very,very easily fixed: we schedual things so that the greatest amount of people can get in on roams, sleeper ops, etc,etc, so while no one in my corp, and I do mean no one, has a free schedual (my best friend within the corp works 4 am ti'll 16 pm for example and spends a few hours every night on, another guy who's got a massive family comes on every couple of days to catch up and jump in on activities, one of the corp founders has a job and very active social life, he usually shows up 2-3 hours before I head off for the day and he's only one hour behind me in timezones) we're never really stuck doing stuff we dislike on a constant basis (sure there are bad days but they're rarer than you'd think) . So your excuse that life is stressful and busy would work if you did not want to play the game but if you did it wouldn't matter if it is Dark Souls Online or Hello Kitty Online you would find the way and the time needed to play it.
I just watched/listened to their Alliances at War video on the official website andnoticed a few interesting things.
It seems that the Alliances already existed before and already had plans to go for the throne prior to the threat of Molag bal supporting the Imperials. And he does support the Imperials, because the current ruler felt threatened by the Alliances gathering around Cyrodill and asked him for help.
Secondly, the motivation and agenda of the three aliances is mostly based around their leader's point of view. While the explanation of why they want the throne for themselves is kind of understandable, there was no reason given why it had to be a race exclusive campaign.
Why would the respective leaders deny other races to take up their banner and support their agenda? Especially if some of the pairings they chose are -and they said it themselves- unlikely to happen. I mean, naturally the Redguard who are highly suspicious of magic would flock to the Bretons, the most magically gifted people among the humans. Right?
They should make factions a choice. I want to decide which agenda I support and which races I consider my allies.
I agree with you, imho races locked into factions serves no purpose in an Elder Scrolls game. Most characters are going to look similar, all races have humanoid forms and will be wearing armor. Players may or may not have pride for their faction but locking races to a faction does not create that pride for all players. If this game was like DAoC and had 3 distinct cultures separate from each other then race locked factions would be fine, but this is an Elder Scrolls game and each culture has complex relationships that are not just black and white.
My guess, is first off to give each faction a face. Something to look at and say I hate them. Red is dead is the common theme in faction wars. I also think, this of corse is just IMO, that the devs will be adding more races to each faction but with micro transactions or by earning them in game. So its rare and something to show off. Its common in MMOs now. Neverwinter and the darkelf is from the founders park to start. SWToR you can earn other races so you could see a Pure blood Sith Jide in the game. I am sure we will have to wait to get more info.
As for how many races they have in each faction now? Most MMOs launch with 6-10 races and thats a lot of work for the art dept. ESO is starting with 9 and not a bad start. I have yet to see a MMO not expand on the amount they have so I am not sure why this is such a big deal.
Doesn't make any sense to me. It's a game where RvRvR is the big draw, and I'm not even going to be able to pick which R I'll be in.
I'm going to be a Wood Elf. Why? Because that's what I do in TES games, I play Bosmers. This means that my faction choice is already decided.
I actually don't even know which faction it is, but that doesn't really matter to me because my objection isn't lore based in that I wouldn't think that Bosmers shouldn't actually team up with Y or Z. It is, again, that this decision was made for me. This actually limits realm pride I may have.
Give me three options and I'll find a reason to pick one. It doesn't even need to be a good reason. I went with the Merovingian in MxO because he had cake and because merv had cake, screw the machines and the morpheus fanboys too. I don't think it would have led to the same faction loyalty if I didn't choose merv, but instead wound up with him because I chose to wear a red jacket.
So I'd much prefer to select my race and then my faction, whether at character creation or some later point. I think I'd even be smart enough to tell friend from foe in such a situation, if I were a member of a species which was able to differentiate at least three colors, and the genre of the game I was playing had a history of floating names above heads.
Actually it's called constructive feedback, as most people who voice their disappointment with the game also give detailed reasons why that is and how they think a solution could look like that may give more people a game they can enjoy.
TBH the only crying I see here is people who attack other's for their opinion and who apparently can't stand someone having a different view on things without calling that person a hater, his opinion wrong, and some more colorful attributes. Goes for both camps of course
I think that it is a silly restriction. It is as if the devs read How to create a MMO for dummies. Chapter : How to gate content for players.
Very unlike the TES games. Which are all about freedom of choice.
Made my reply its own thread...
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/view/forums/newTopic/1326/postAction/newTopic
because wow does
at first i was very surprised that a TES game has race restrictions.
but i really dont mind, as long as they dont result in imbalanced populations, which would hurt RvR.
i would much rather they had 3 different factions that any race could join though.
i mean, why cant an orc and an argonian explore a dungeon together? they wont even see each other lol.
There is a 100% chance that factions will be imbalanced and it will ruin RvR. I think the devs believe that by having 3 factions it will solve the population imbalance issues and that's simply not true. Having a 3rd faction helps but doesn't solve the issues. In fact it can end up making things worse if the system is setup incorrectly. Take GW2 for example, the #1 server beats on the #2 server to widen the points gap and the # 3 server attacks the #2 server because they are an easier target. It needs to be setup that the #2 and #3 server/faction lose equally so they have motivation to stop the #1. The other major problem is what they plan to do with night capping/non-prime time. People from different countries tend to group up with players from their region. This ends up leaving 1 server/faction grossly imbalanced at certain parts of the day. if one faction can steamroll with zero resistance during the day the RvR will not last long.
Faction locking races/classes is a rookie mistake when you're trying to add RvR. It just adds one more thing to try and balance and no MMO has EVER balanced it. At least GW2 had the right idea with each side having the same races/classes, just messed up on the gameplay mechanics. ESO is going to end up with faction imbalances that ruin RvR, I also imagine that a lot of players will also be resentful towards the game when they want to play an Argonian but their guild picks DF. The game is basically setting up hurdles in front of itself, I hope they have plans to clear those hurdles.
Name a mmo that is balanced.
How come the 2 best games at it - daoc and planetside have very hard faction locks.
Where as games with wooly, wishy washy "soloutions" e.g.
Gw2 with its server shuffling approach
Tsw and rift with their chums in pve, enemies in pvp approach
And swtor with its, sod it, let you play both on the same server.
Have inferior "rvr"
Take out PvP from ANY MMO and you would have it. Imbalance comes from PvP'ers complaining that they lost a fight. PvE'ers wouldn't notice imbalance if the game is designed around each class having a role to play (one half of the whole RPG side of what Role playing game stands for) or if any character can choose skills that matches their playstyle in a freeform way.
I've never read forum posts along the lines of "nerf walocks, my mage can't get a raid spot"
;D
i dont mind that there are factions. i mind that there is race limitation.
this way, you know that ebonheart will be overpopulated, while the other two struggle.
I can go with the current design ok, but would have preferred Eve's approach: any race can play any faction. Eve races still line up pretty well with the correct faction, but there are some folks from the wrong race in any faction. Enrichens the game. imo.
According to the devs on this game isn't that "too hard" to code?
But I agree, since first hearing about race locked factions I have been scratching my head in bemusement.