Your post does say something , but it doesn't explain why your losing interest in Elder Scrolls Online specifically. Or did you just mean losing interest in all games and meant to post this in the General Forums.
Many of the players won't be happy until they get Skyrim Online.
There are only TWO SIDES; people who want Skyrim Online and people who want Dark Age of Elder Scrolls. There is no one else, only those two groups of people. If you are not in one of those groups then put yourself in one - If you think you're not in one of those groups then you're a lying dog that should get the hose.
So you don't think the 2 "true elder scrolls fans against evil faction lock" fall into two camps?
Half of you want a pure pve game. The other half want a ffa gankathon.
Then if you look at some of the other threads there's a whole bunch of new people asking for wow features saying stuff like "why don't they do this instead, it works in wow"
Really making out there just 2 points of view is ridiculous
Originally posted by ShakyMo So you don't think the 2 "true elder scrolls fans against evil faction lock" fall into two camps?
Half of you want a pure pve game. The other half want a ffa gankathon.
Then if you look at some of the other threads there's a whole bunch of new people asking for wow features saying stuff like "why don't they do this instead, it works in wow"
Really making out there just 2 points of view is ridiculous
No joke man, by your previous comment I thought you saw the sarcasm in my response but oh well.
I don't think TESO will be very successful game. I will stay out of this Wildstar topic that spanned in this thread o.o
Thing is ... I like the ES series. I'm not all crazy about them but I've played them all and Bethesda have earned my respect as a game developer BUT ... saddly, all the ES games I've played I have used mods that tweak certain aspects of the game and make it more for my taste. Friends and clans be damned this is a MMO which won't be mod-able (new word? :O)
I'd really rather a Skyrim version with Co-Op than fully baked MMO. Then they can have all my money $$$
Originally posted by hopelessness the hype for this game took a nose dive after the leaked beta footage came out.. Zenimax did nothing to counter it and hasn't recovered. I imagine things could change rapidly for this game with the release of new media/info and I am certain it will make it's way back onto the list once they engage the hype machine... I suppose it could be concious decision to not 'over-hype' their game, however I'm skeptical this is even possible given the pressure companies have on advertising demands.
I really have to agree with you about the leak. Yes, it was clearly evident that the video was purposefully designed to show Elder Scrolls Online in a negative light but still. And I really hate comparing two totally different MMO's that are catering to different portions of the MMO market, but compare how ZeniMax and Carbine (developers of WildStar handled their leaks). (yes I know WildStar's was a patch note leak but still...)
Anyways, beta video gets leaked of the Elder Scrolls Online. ZeniMax stays quiet. Hating on the game commences and comments hit an all time high on certain gaming sites of people burning the game and trying to defend the game. Eventually ZeniMax responds with a super brief interview that did absolutely nothing to quell the hate that the leaked video caused.
In WildStar's case, a set of patch notes got leaked (gameplay video would have been irrelevant to leak as they had just show the game at PAX and there were plenty of gameplay videos from that). Carbine decides to have their Executive Producer, Jeremy Gaffney spend the rest of the day (he was up till midnight pacific) as well as some other key developers on WildStar Central fielding a question and answer session in regards to the patch notes to garner feedback from a community that wasn't even in beta.
Basically, the point I'm trying to make here is that ZeniMax and Carbine have totally different ways of going about dealing with leaked beta footage / information and interacting with their community to quell any fears or hesitations that arise. In Carbine's case, they have been handling this very well. In ZeniMax's case, not so much and that worries me. Is it really that hard for ZeniMax to put out a 5 to 10 minute developer walkthrough video showing the current state of the game and explaining where the game stands in beta, what's been tested, what's being worked on, and what the rest of beta holds? Honestly, if ZeniMax put out a gameplay video of their own showing the game as it stands today in beta, it would go a long way to quelling the fears of many gamers who are on the fence about whether to play or not (me included).
Originally posted by hopelessness the hype for this game took a nose dive after the leaked beta footage came out.. Zenimax did nothing to counter it and hasn't recovered. I imagine things could change rapidly for this game with the release of new media/info and I am certain it will make it's way back onto the list once they engage the hype machine... I suppose it could be concious decision to not 'over-hype' their game, however I'm skeptical this is even possible given the pressure companies have on advertising demands.
I really have to agree with you about the leak. Yes, it was clearly evident that the video was purposefully designed to show Elder Scrolls Online in a negative light but still. And I really hate comparing two totally different MMO's that are catering to different portions of the MMO market, but compare how ZeniMax and Carbine (developers of WildStar handled their leaks). (yes I know WildStar's was a patch note leak but still...)
Anyways, beta video gets leaked of the Elder Scrolls Online. ZeniMax stays quiet. Hating on the game commences and comments hit an all time high on certain gaming sites of people burning the game and trying to defend the game. Eventually ZeniMax responds with a super brief interview that did absolutely nothing to quell the hate that the leaked video caused.
In WildStar's case, a set of patch notes got leaked (gameplay video would have been irrelevant to leak as they had just show the game at PAX and there were plenty of gameplay videos from that). Carbine decides to have their Executive Producer, Jeremy Gaffney spend the rest of the day (he was up till midnight pacific) as well as some other key developers on WildStar Central fielding a question and answer session in regards to the patch notes to garner feedback from a community that wasn't even in beta.
Basically, the point I'm trying to make here is that ZeniMax and Carbine have totally different ways of going about dealing with leaked beta footage / information and interacting with their community to quell any fears or hesitations that arise. In Carbine's case, they have been handling this very well. In ZeniMax's case, not so much and that worries me. Is it really that hard for ZeniMax to put out a 5 to 10 minute developer walkthrough video showing the current state of the game and explaining where the game stands in beta, what's been tested, what's being worked on, and what the rest of beta holds? Honestly, if ZeniMax put out a gameplay video of their own showing the game as it stands today in beta, it would go a long way to quelling the fears of many gamers who are on the fence about whether to play or not (me included).
I have to agree with you guys. I think taking the SWTOR approach which is what they are doing so far is not good. I think they should take the GW2 and Wildstar approach. Regardless, either way in the end it wont matter. The game is either going to be good or it wont be good.
The only thing that makes me a little more comfortable is that from leaked info on other sites, I already know that the current build is light years ahead of what we saw and more details are rolling in that I like...at least from what a tester stated.
To stay on topic: It is also frustrating to me how little we've learned about the GAME. If we dont have a gameplay trailer at E3, I'll be pretty disappointed. The only thing that would fix that if they didnt is a release date announcement or an open beta announcement.
And I know people go "WildStar is a smaller game, thats why they need to advertise and be cool to their community" I beg to differ. if ESO made a 5-10 minute gameplay video with a dev commentating it, there would be a lot of hype. The only defense I can think of is that Zenimax doesnt think they can show off their game in a positive light right now. All we see are these Lore videos that to be quite honest, I'm getting sick of. I want to see the gameplay. And I hate how they pretty much only answer the noobiest of noob questions for their developer questions. Like, recycled questions that you can google and find. It's like theyre intentionally trying to avoid giving anything relevant.
So yes, I agree it is very frustrating. And this is someone who personally gave ESO an edge over WildStar and Everquest Next, but at this point all 3 games will get it's fair chance from me, especially if ESO wants to be all stuck up like this.
Hmm. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I can tell you why Bethesda has said nothing about the leaked footage. There's nothing to say. It apparently looks and plays exactly like what was shown at Pax East, so this 'leaked footage' reveals nothing that is not already in the public domain. In point of fact, it looks pretty much exactly like every other piece of game-play footage I've seen from ESO. Ho-hum. To take that and extrapolate from it an entire MMO experience is, at best, a wildly optimistic appraisal of one's own psychic abilities. Not to mention a damning indictment of same.
What do you really expect? That the game-play would look exactly like the cinematic? Have you ever know that to be true? No? Then your assumption is what? That Zenimax has magic technology that is unavailable to everybody else in the world that will change reality? The game will be what the state of the art allows it to be regardless of the level of genius they can bring to bear on it. There is one way I will find out if the game resonates with me. I'll play it. If it does, great. If it doesn't, well it won't be the first time I've coughed up the coin and found out the game wasn't what I expected.
But I do know this: If I wanted to surreptitiously make a game-play video that would make a game look bad in beta, I would get a bunch of the worst door-knobs I could find, go at the worst part of the game I could find, and do as poorly as I could. Then I would post it and hope there are lots of massively gullible people around who will take it as representative of the entire game.
If you've ever done an MMO at all, you know that a group boss fight can go to one of two extremes. At worst, almost nobody knows what they're doing and it's a comedy of errors so sad that it's painful to watch even if the group wins. At best, everybody is good at what they do and it's a sweet, elegant ballet that everybody wishes they'd thought to record. Which end of the spectrum do you think that leaked footage comes from?
If ESO could just make combat as good as Neverwinter I'd be happy with that. NW combat has the best 'feel' and 'impact' of any combat I've ever experienced in an MMO, unfortunately the rest of the game is lacking.
so i've been pumped for this time since the time it was announced as i am a big ES fan and mmo player, but i think the way the are marketing it is rather terrible in my opinion ... i feel like there is a massive lack of news and updates thus giving it no hype or interest from people browsing for a new mmo, now perhaps that is because the release date is maybe further towards the end of the year and i don't have the content or the answers to give
whereas another new MMO Wildstar has taken my fancy releases new updates regularly though that seems to be in the beta stage so release may be sooner giving them more stuff to talk about though i also think ESO is also in CBT?
I guess what i'm trying to say is they need to market there game better because i fear ALOT of people are losing interest or haven't even heard of it yet and i'm worried they are going to hit the ground running and right now im more likely to play wildstar then ESO because of it
it baffles me that an elder scrolls game with so many fans and followers only has a current hype on this website of 8.20 below games like Path of Exile and World of Darkness.
Maybe i rate the elder scrolls franchise to highly and have unreasonable expectations i dont know...maybe its to early to give out any sort of info...
What you you guys think?
P.S Developer questions? really? WTF is that? "what's the grossest ingredient you're character has ever tasted in and Elder Scrolls game" i think i speak for majority when i say who cares? i think they are upto developer question number 24 thats 24 dumb questions..... that's not what we want we want info and answer OUR questions don't ask your own.... hows the game coming along ? what did you focus on in development this past month? give us something..
I could be completely wrong here but this just my opinion
I actually tend to agree. While I believe that ESO does have as much media as say, Wildstar, it certainly is NOT the kind that its fans want. Like you pointed out, they aren't very intimate and forthcoming with their fan base. It's like they have something to hide, or are ashamed of the outcome. Have you seen the leaked video that's almost twenty minutes long? Slap that together with their announcements like no player housing, etc. - and that's what we all have to look forard to. Before ANYONE says 'It's still in beta, it will change'. Really?
Maybe they change the UI, or something that is a dynamic of how you play your character, but what you see is honestly what you get. If you don't like the graphics or gameplay, you have to suck it up, because there is no way in hell they are going to go through the -entire- game to revamp everything to our standards.
Aside from that, though, I seem to have fallen on the Wildstar bandwagon as well. I'm not sure how long I'll play it, because despite what they say, replayability doesn't seem spot on. I love the, and I repeat, LOVE... the housing system. It seems almost too good to be true. The graphics (while cartoony a bit like WoW), still draw me in because of the new water color art style. I honestly wish I could have more faith in ESO, but as time goes by, they've failed miserably at keeping me interested. I love the Elder Scrolls, everything about them. I remember when Morrowind first came out, and my friend let me try out his copy. I was hooked... The world was interesting, and vast.
I don't see ESO ever amounting to what we hope it could be. I think we will better handle this game if we just accept its fate. It's very difficult for most MMO's to pull out of what is going on these past few years. Actually, ever since WoW launched, nothing has been as innovative. ESO could have been just that, because it brings SO MUCH to the table, that had potential, that other titles could never seem to do or have never thought of. And they ignored that fact.
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That's a good feature.
There are only TWO SIDES; people who want Skyrim Online and people who want Dark Age of Elder Scrolls. There is no one else, only those two groups of people. If you are not in one of those groups then put yourself in one - If you think you're not in one of those groups then you're a lying dog that should get the hose.
People who want DF with good production posters
People who want fantasy swg
People who want yet another bloody wow clone
lol
Half of you want a pure pve game. The other half want a ffa gankathon.
Then if you look at some of the other threads there's a whole bunch of new people asking for wow features saying stuff like "why don't they do this instead, it works in wow"
Really making out there just 2 points of view is ridiculous
Bethesda isn't making it.
That is autofail before it even began
No joke man, by your previous comment I thought you saw the sarcasm in my response but oh well.
I don't think TESO will be very successful game. I will stay out of this Wildstar topic that spanned in this thread o.o
Thing is ... I like the ES series. I'm not all crazy about them but I've played them all and Bethesda have earned my respect as a game developer BUT ... saddly, all the ES games I've played I have used mods that tweak certain aspects of the game and make it more for my taste. Friends and clans be damned this is a MMO which won't be mod-able (new word? :O)
I'd really rather a Skyrim version with Co-Op than fully baked MMO. Then they can have all my money $$$
I really have to agree with you about the leak. Yes, it was clearly evident that the video was purposefully designed to show Elder Scrolls Online in a negative light but still. And I really hate comparing two totally different MMO's that are catering to different portions of the MMO market, but compare how ZeniMax and Carbine (developers of WildStar handled their leaks). (yes I know WildStar's was a patch note leak but still...)
Anyways, beta video gets leaked of the Elder Scrolls Online. ZeniMax stays quiet. Hating on the game commences and comments hit an all time high on certain gaming sites of people burning the game and trying to defend the game. Eventually ZeniMax responds with a super brief interview that did absolutely nothing to quell the hate that the leaked video caused.
In WildStar's case, a set of patch notes got leaked (gameplay video would have been irrelevant to leak as they had just show the game at PAX and there were plenty of gameplay videos from that). Carbine decides to have their Executive Producer, Jeremy Gaffney spend the rest of the day (he was up till midnight pacific) as well as some other key developers on WildStar Central fielding a question and answer session in regards to the patch notes to garner feedback from a community that wasn't even in beta.
Basically, the point I'm trying to make here is that ZeniMax and Carbine have totally different ways of going about dealing with leaked beta footage / information and interacting with their community to quell any fears or hesitations that arise. In Carbine's case, they have been handling this very well. In ZeniMax's case, not so much and that worries me. Is it really that hard for ZeniMax to put out a 5 to 10 minute developer walkthrough video showing the current state of the game and explaining where the game stands in beta, what's been tested, what's being worked on, and what the rest of beta holds? Honestly, if ZeniMax put out a gameplay video of their own showing the game as it stands today in beta, it would go a long way to quelling the fears of many gamers who are on the fence about whether to play or not (me included).
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I have to agree with you guys. I think taking the SWTOR approach which is what they are doing so far is not good. I think they should take the GW2 and Wildstar approach. Regardless, either way in the end it wont matter. The game is either going to be good or it wont be good.
The only thing that makes me a little more comfortable is that from leaked info on other sites, I already know that the current build is light years ahead of what we saw and more details are rolling in that I like...at least from what a tester stated.
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wow is a average game,wildstar looks mush better.
eso is making a mistake with b2p model.
To stay on topic: It is also frustrating to me how little we've learned about the GAME. If we dont have a gameplay trailer at E3, I'll be pretty disappointed. The only thing that would fix that if they didnt is a release date announcement or an open beta announcement.
And I know people go "WildStar is a smaller game, thats why they need to advertise and be cool to their community" I beg to differ. if ESO made a 5-10 minute gameplay video with a dev commentating it, there would be a lot of hype. The only defense I can think of is that Zenimax doesnt think they can show off their game in a positive light right now. All we see are these Lore videos that to be quite honest, I'm getting sick of. I want to see the gameplay. And I hate how they pretty much only answer the noobiest of noob questions for their developer questions. Like, recycled questions that you can google and find. It's like theyre intentionally trying to avoid giving anything relevant.
So yes, I agree it is very frustrating. And this is someone who personally gave ESO an edge over WildStar and Everquest Next, but at this point all 3 games will get it's fair chance from me, especially if ESO wants to be all stuck up like this.
Hmm. Not to put too fine a point on it, but I can tell you why Bethesda has said nothing about the leaked footage. There's nothing to say. It apparently looks and plays exactly like what was shown at Pax East, so this 'leaked footage' reveals nothing that is not already in the public domain. In point of fact, it looks pretty much exactly like every other piece of game-play footage I've seen from ESO. Ho-hum. To take that and extrapolate from it an entire MMO experience is, at best, a wildly optimistic appraisal of one's own psychic abilities. Not to mention a damning indictment of same.
What do you really expect? That the game-play would look exactly like the cinematic? Have you ever know that to be true? No? Then your assumption is what? That Zenimax has magic technology that is unavailable to everybody else in the world that will change reality? The game will be what the state of the art allows it to be regardless of the level of genius they can bring to bear on it. There is one way I will find out if the game resonates with me. I'll play it. If it does, great. If it doesn't, well it won't be the first time I've coughed up the coin and found out the game wasn't what I expected.
But I do know this: If I wanted to surreptitiously make a game-play video that would make a game look bad in beta, I would get a bunch of the worst door-knobs I could find, go at the worst part of the game I could find, and do as poorly as I could. Then I would post it and hope there are lots of massively gullible people around who will take it as representative of the entire game.
If you've ever done an MMO at all, you know that a group boss fight can go to one of two extremes. At worst, almost nobody knows what they're doing and it's a comedy of errors so sad that it's painful to watch even if the group wins. At best, everybody is good at what they do and it's a sweet, elegant ballet that everybody wishes they'd thought to record. Which end of the spectrum do you think that leaked footage comes from?
E.g. let's copy wow.
If its doing combat like skyrim but with your spells / swaps on a hotbar instead of the q menu, I will find that better.
also planetside 1 is the best mmo co.bat so far.
I completely agree i played a control wizard and the fact i couldn't move and shoot is almost a game breaker for me
its like playing and mmo where you cant jump
I actually tend to agree. While I believe that ESO does have as much media as say, Wildstar, it certainly is NOT the kind that its fans want. Like you pointed out, they aren't very intimate and forthcoming with their fan base. It's like they have something to hide, or are ashamed of the outcome. Have you seen the leaked video that's almost twenty minutes long? Slap that together with their announcements like no player housing, etc. - and that's what we all have to look forard to. Before ANYONE says 'It's still in beta, it will change'. Really?
Maybe they change the UI, or something that is a dynamic of how you play your character, but what you see is honestly what you get. If you don't like the graphics or gameplay, you have to suck it up, because there is no way in hell they are going to go through the -entire- game to revamp everything to our standards.
Aside from that, though, I seem to have fallen on the Wildstar bandwagon as well. I'm not sure how long I'll play it, because despite what they say, replayability doesn't seem spot on. I love the, and I repeat, LOVE... the housing system. It seems almost too good to be true. The graphics (while cartoony a bit like WoW), still draw me in because of the new water color art style. I honestly wish I could have more faith in ESO, but as time goes by, they've failed miserably at keeping me interested. I love the Elder Scrolls, everything about them. I remember when Morrowind first came out, and my friend let me try out his copy. I was hooked... The world was interesting, and vast.
I don't see ESO ever amounting to what we hope it could be. I think we will better handle this game if we just accept its fate. It's very difficult for most MMO's to pull out of what is going on these past few years. Actually, ever since WoW launched, nothing has been as innovative. ESO could have been just that, because it brings SO MUCH to the table, that had potential, that other titles could never seem to do or have never thought of. And they ignored that fact.