I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
I think it is bull that you keep telling people it is "free".
It is built to drive the cash shop, consumables and all kinds of other items are extremely expensive, and the in-game evuivelent to get those items is prohibitive. That is why most people end up spending so much in the cash shop. I think it is entirely fair for prospective players to see these people's stories and be warned ahead of time what this game will cost them if they have normal expectations of an MMO.
To go in blind a person might think oh well I'll just spend $10 to get going, but then after they have invested $40-50 in one month (not hard to do at all in Neverwinter) they discover that after that investment of money and time (MMO's take up a lot of much more valuable TIME) they discover they need to fork over even more.
That is how a sucker gets milked by a scam. People absolutely should do research before buying on what is in the cash shop and how/if those items are available in game.
But instead of encouraging people to be smart consumers you are implying that everyone plays for free and loves it. It would be like a regular subscription MMO not announcing its sub pricing until your free month is over (down $50 and a month's worth of time before finding out it is going to cost you $50/mo to have a "good time").
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
You can literally complete every bit of content in the game without spending a penny. Free is an accurate description of Neverwinter.
I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
You can literally complete every bit of content in the game without spending a penny. Free is an accurate description of Neverwinter.
If your time is worth absolutely nothing to you I guess you have a great point.
I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
You can literally complete every bit of content in the game without spending a penny. Free is an accurate description of Neverwinter.
If your time is worth absolutely nothing to you I guess you have a great point.
What a stupid response.
What does that even mean? I played the game. It was fun. I got to level cap and did some dungeons then I got bored and stopped playing. I'll likely go back to check out Foundry periodically. The concept of "wasting" time on a video game is hilarious. I'm playing to waste a little time and be entertained. Now, if I didn't enjoy playing Neverwinter and continued playing it, then yeah, that would be a waste of time.
When it comes to reviews and F2P games, it's better to just play the game yourself and ignore all the love/hate on the forums. Some of the hate threads are just because it's "cool". There aren't many "love" threads because people are playing the game, not posting the forums. So going by reviews is almost always 100% wrong way to go when it comes to f2p games...
Problem with any review (be it game, car, movie or pizza place) it is all comes down to individual taste. I know that hen it comes to any reviewer it is hard to take that neutral stance and just say what it is. for Example there was a movie (Older 80's move) that when it came out was not a hit at all with the critics, some of the movie goers hated it some loved it and it became a classic because it is what it is .. a fun romp at the movies.
The real question is what do you want out of it and does it offer it. good thing is with a F2P game is that it is Free to get and try, no one says you have to say for 30 days or for 30 min before you uninstall.
I do like the game, it is a fun little romp when i have time to get in to just play around.
if you are wondering the movie was Big Trouble in Little China. Even John Carpenter said not to take it seriously, as it was just a fun movie.
I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
I think it is bull that you keep telling people it is "free".
Yes it free to download and free to play. Nothing in the cash shop is acting as hurdle in your progression.
It is built to drive the cash shop, consumables and all kinds of other items are extremely expensive, and the in-game evuivelent to get those items is prohibitive. That is why most people end up spending so much in the cash shop. I think it is entirely fair for prospective players to see these people's stories and be warned ahead of time what this game will cost them if they have normal expectations of an MMO.
Yes and all those expensive items are optional. Also, could you be any more vague? what equivalents are you talking about?
Identification scrolls i got more than i can use simply as in game drops. Potions, armor repairs etc can be bought with gold. You can also rent a mount till you can purchase on your own in game.
What else is there? faster and more flashy mounts and companions? bigger inventory bags? none of that is a necessity.
To go in blind a person might think oh well I'll just spend $10 to get going, but then after they have invested $40-50 in one month (not hard to do at all in Neverwinter) they discover that after that investment of money and time (MMO's take up a lot of much more valuable TIME) they discover they need to fork over even more.
Like i said you don't even need to spend one single dollar forget about 10. If people are spending 50 or 100 bucks on pure fluff and convenience items that is their choice. But for those who are patient time investment is all they have.
That is how a sucker gets milked by a scam. People absolutely should do research before buying on what is in the cash shop and how/if those items are available in game.
I don't think you even know what the word 'scam' means.
But instead of encouraging people to be smart consumers you are implying that everyone plays for free and loves it. It would be like a regular subscription MMO not announcing its sub pricing until your free month is over (down $50 and a month's worth of time before finding out it is going to cost you $50/mo to have a "good time").
The smart people make their own decisions and do not make their decisions on half baked and mis informed posts like yours. You have clearly shown that you have no idea about the cash shop or how it works in NW.
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
Once again.... 'scam' doesn't mean what you think it means.
Originally posted by SpottyGekko Given that the game is F2P, there's no real reason NOT to try it for yourself. Just try not to spend any money before you've actually tried it...
That is also good advice. Try it for yourself - but don't be hasty to open your wallet. Make sure that you have fully experienced the game and made a fully informed decision before you spend any money. Personally, I haven't spent any money, and don't expect I ever will.
I can't believe how many people are saying that just because it is F2P to go ahead and play it and ignore all information on it. What have you got to lose!!!!
Well the problem with that is obviously the game is designed to draw people into the cash shop, and generally only once they have spent their money do they find out about the game's many problems and just how much they will have to pay to get the "enjoyable" experience marketed to them.
But no keep telling people to go in blind because then they can help pay for the development of your game unknowingly.
Some of the freeloaders on this forum and in F2P games in general are far worse than the developers who directly scam people.
What bull***.
You don't have to spend a single penny and can finish all the content. Yes obviously it is a business so they expect people to spend money on cash shop. Unless you are one of those who thinks that having cosmetic stuff is must for better game experience?
You make it sound as if the initial F2P model is to draw people in and then force them to spend money.
Typical mis informed post and that is why basing ones decision to play a game on what others have to say on these forums is just a very bad idea.
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
You can literally complete every bit of content in the game without spending a penny. Free is an accurate description of Neverwinter.
If your time is worth absolutely nothing to you I guess you have a great point.
If your time is sooo valuable, why are you wasting it playing video games?
And really, I would love to see where you get your figures about how much money people spend in the game or how the game is a cash-shop scam. I've leveled two characters well into level 45+ with only spending $5 for some keys (wanted to see what was in the nightmare boxes). I would hardly called that a cash scam...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
I think I agree with most of you here, that you should never let a review completly make up your mind weather you should play a game or not. But reviews can serve as a warning sign or make you aware of pitfalls you might fall into that could end up being very costly to you. Such as leveling up to 30 and realizing you need ALOT more bag space for all the runes you get, costing you 10 bucks for a bag, when the store might be the only place you can get it, or you find yourself at 50 shouting for a group in zone chat and finding yourself silenced becausee other players have the power to silence you if they dont like you, instead of them using the ignore funcion you find yourself silenced for 24 hours. Or find out about the ninja looting after your in it, and how its not fixed. Or get into a pvp match and before it ends someone boots you from party, ect. These are things alot of people would not accept in a game off the bat, and would save them alot of time and headaches to have been made aware of all this in a review first.
That being said, you can enter into a game blindly, and run into these pitfalls blindly, but it is much easier to have known about them first. Either way, its ultimantly up to you if you want that kind of game.
Now could we just nail the coffin lid on this pointless thread?
I'll pony up with a sack of nails and a hammer, but I won't conflict with the Undertaker's directly. Those funeral home guys exhibit a strange bit of political "pull".
There seems to be a huge amount of love/hate for this game, make sure you read the reviews before you play this game because I for one know how shocking some aspects of this game are, and you probably could go either way of staying or quiting if you do not know what your gettting yourself into.
Heres my review, but make sure you read everyones review before you try so you know what to expect and are in for.
I invested $5 into more character slots because 2 is just not enough for your typical altoholic.
But after getting my first character to lvl 10 I was sorely disappointed by the reality of the in-game economy. I had some gold saved up and wanted to buy things. I then find out you need the blue gem currency (I don't recall the specific name) to buy anything and you can only get it two ways, grind the equivalent of dailies, or buy it with real money. The in-game auction house runs solely on the blue gems as well. And after doing about 30 minutes of my own research I realized all the gold I was hoarding on my character (because that's what you do playing a DnD table-top game) was virtually worthless.
For me that is an utter failure in the design of the game economy. It took me about five minutes to delete all of my characters and uninstall the game.
I will never look back and PWE can kiss my ass. Sadly that means Cryptic might as well be dead to me as well.
I invested $5 into more character slots because 2 is just not enough for your typical altoholic.
But after getting my first character to lvl 10 I was sorely disappointed by the reality of the in-game economy. I had some gold saved up and wanted to buy things. I then find out you need the blue gem currency (I don't recall the specific name) to buy anything and you can only get it two ways, grind the equivalent of dailies, or buy it with real money. The in-game auction house runs solely on the blue gems as well. And after doing about 30 minutes of my own research I realized all the gold I was hoarding on my character (because that's what you do playing a DnD table-top game) was virtually worthless.
For me that is an utter failure in the design of the game economy. It took me about five minutes to delete all of my characters and uninstall the game.
I will never look back and PWE can kiss my ass. Sadly that means Cryptic might as well be dead to me as well.
Wow, you bothered to delete all your alts from hated game, was not enough only to unistall and forget?
Originally posted by Whitebeards Probably the worst thing you can do is make up your mind on basis of reviews of what other players have to say about MMO on these forums.
I know, right? I wouldn't have played anything I think if I let this forum dictate what I play.
Originally posted by nethaniah
Seriously Farmville? Yeah I think it's great. In a World where half our population is dying of hunger the more fortunate half is spending their time harvesting food that doesn't exist.
The best thing to do is just download the game and form your own opinion. Worst case scenario you will get a couple hours of enjoyment out of the game.
There seems to be a huge amount of love/hate for this game, make sure you read the reviews before you play this game because I for one know how shocking some aspects of this game are, and you probably could go either way of staying or quiting if you do not know what your gettting yourself into.
Heres my review, but make sure you read everyones review before you try so you know what to expect and are in for.
There seems to be a huge amount of love/hate for this game, make sure you read the reviews before you play this game because I for one know how shocking some aspects of this game are, and you probably could go either way of staying or quiting if you do not know what your gettting yourself into.
Heres my review, but make sure you read everyones review before you try so you know what to expect and are in for.
Why the f would anyone read any reviews on any game rather than testing it out themselves? Are gamers really that stupid nowadays?
Opportunity cost. Time sunk in a game is not time spent doing something else that might be a better return (fun, money, etc) that would be more meaningful for the review reader. In that sense fistorm's review (or any review for that matter) can be helpful. Particularly for people whom only have a limited number of hours per week to invest in any game. If I'm playing Neverwinter that's time not spent playing any other MMO or singleplayer game on Steam or whatever.
I liked firstorm's review although I have read reviews from other Neverwinter vets whom had a very different experience overall to the one he had.
Maxed out his char with T2 epic gear in 3 days and didn't spend even one cent on the game. So it is indeed possible to "win" the game without spending anything at all. He never lacked in astral diamonds.
From reading these 2 people's experiences I can already sense they have different gameplay styles. And neither one of them sound like they have an MMO playstyle similar to mine. But both have been helpful in getting a better idea of 1. how they define "f2p" and "p2w" as well as other aspects of Neverwinter that could effect my own time spent in the game.
I'm on day 2 and only level 6 so I'm guessing already I'm a very slow leveler compared to both of these reviewers.
I'm still playing Neverwinter and having a lot of fun yet I also find reviewer opinions from other gamers helpful as well. Obviously others must think the same or sites like MMORPG and multiple youtube mmo video reviews would not get the views they do.
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I think it is bull that you keep telling people it is "free".
It is built to drive the cash shop, consumables and all kinds of other items are extremely expensive, and the in-game evuivelent to get those items is prohibitive. That is why most people end up spending so much in the cash shop. I think it is entirely fair for prospective players to see these people's stories and be warned ahead of time what this game will cost them if they have normal expectations of an MMO.
To go in blind a person might think oh well I'll just spend $10 to get going, but then after they have invested $40-50 in one month (not hard to do at all in Neverwinter) they discover that after that investment of money and time (MMO's take up a lot of much more valuable TIME) they discover they need to fork over even more.
That is how a sucker gets milked by a scam. People absolutely should do research before buying on what is in the cash shop and how/if those items are available in game.
But instead of encouraging people to be smart consumers you are implying that everyone plays for free and loves it. It would be like a regular subscription MMO not announcing its sub pricing until your free month is over (down $50 and a month's worth of time before finding out it is going to cost you $50/mo to have a "good time").
It is a scam not a business model, and Neverwinter is one of the worst offenders ever.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
You can literally complete every bit of content in the game without spending a penny. Free is an accurate description of Neverwinter.
If your time is worth absolutely nothing to you I guess you have a great point.
http://xivpads.com/?1595680
http://guildwork.com/users/murugan
What a stupid response.
What does that even mean? I played the game. It was fun. I got to level cap and did some dungeons then I got bored and stopped playing. I'll likely go back to check out Foundry periodically. The concept of "wasting" time on a video game is hilarious. I'm playing to waste a little time and be entertained. Now, if I didn't enjoy playing Neverwinter and continued playing it, then yeah, that would be a waste of time.
Well to be honest it's a free game, you lose nothing for trying it. Either way, that is the greatness of f2p! :O
Never base your opinion on someone else's.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Problem with any review (be it game, car, movie or pizza place) it is all comes down to individual taste. I know that hen it comes to any reviewer it is hard to take that neutral stance and just say what it is. for Example there was a movie (Older 80's move) that when it came out was not a hit at all with the critics, some of the movie goers hated it some loved it and it became a classic because it is what it is .. a fun romp at the movies.
The real question is what do you want out of it and does it offer it. good thing is with a F2P game is that it is Free to get and try, no one says you have to say for 30 days or for 30 min before you uninstall.
I do like the game, it is a fun little romp when i have time to get in to just play around.
if you are wondering the movie was Big Trouble in Little China. Even John Carpenter said not to take it seriously, as it was just a fun movie.
Once again.... 'scam' doesn't mean what you think it means.
Another agenda thread and in this one a few other people with agendas have come.
Just for fun:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scam
Also another very very important thing to know:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/review
Now could we just nail the coffin lid on this pointless thread?
That is also good advice. Try it for yourself - but don't be hasty to open your wallet. Make sure that you have fully experienced the game and made a fully informed decision before you spend any money. Personally, I haven't spent any money, and don't expect I ever will.
If your time is sooo valuable, why are you wasting it playing video games?
And really, I would love to see where you get your figures about how much money people spend in the game or how the game is a cash-shop scam. I've leveled two characters well into level 45+ with only spending $5 for some keys (wanted to see what was in the nightmare boxes). I would hardly called that a cash scam...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
I think I agree with most of you here, that you should never let a review completly make up your mind weather you should play a game or not. But reviews can serve as a warning sign or make you aware of pitfalls you might fall into that could end up being very costly to you. Such as leveling up to 30 and realizing you need ALOT more bag space for all the runes you get, costing you 10 bucks for a bag, when the store might be the only place you can get it, or you find yourself at 50 shouting for a group in zone chat and finding yourself silenced becausee other players have the power to silence you if they dont like you, instead of them using the ignore funcion you find yourself silenced for 24 hours. Or find out about the ninja looting after your in it, and how its not fixed. Or get into a pvp match and before it ends someone boots you from party, ect. These are things alot of people would not accept in a game off the bat, and would save them alot of time and headaches to have been made aware of all this in a review first.
That being said, you can enter into a game blindly, and run into these pitfalls blindly, but it is much easier to have known about them first. Either way, its ultimantly up to you if you want that kind of game.
I'll pony up with a sack of nails and a hammer, but I won't conflict with the Undertaker's directly. Those funeral home guys exhibit a strange bit of political "pull".
DO NOT TELL ME (or US) WHAT I SHOULD DO! Have experience, opinion, .. fine, post it. But I have my own brain and will use it and decide at the end.
And after reading such posts it is pretty sure I WILL TRY game.
I invested $5 into more character slots because 2 is just not enough for your typical altoholic.
But after getting my first character to lvl 10 I was sorely disappointed by the reality of the in-game economy. I had some gold saved up and wanted to buy things. I then find out you need the blue gem currency (I don't recall the specific name) to buy anything and you can only get it two ways, grind the equivalent of dailies, or buy it with real money. The in-game auction house runs solely on the blue gems as well. And after doing about 30 minutes of my own research I realized all the gold I was hoarding on my character (because that's what you do playing a DnD table-top game) was virtually worthless.
For me that is an utter failure in the design of the game economy. It took me about five minutes to delete all of my characters and uninstall the game.
I will never look back and PWE can kiss my ass. Sadly that means Cryptic might as well be dead to me as well.
Wow, you bothered to delete all your alts from hated game, was not enough only to unistall and forget?
I know, right? I wouldn't have played anything I think if I let this forum dictate what I play.
Why the f would anyone read any reviews on any game rather than testing it out themselves? Are gamers really that stupid nowadays?
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Opportunity cost. Time sunk in a game is not time spent doing something else that might be a better return (fun, money, etc) that would be more meaningful for the review reader. In that sense fistorm's review (or any review for that matter) can be helpful. Particularly for people whom only have a limited number of hours per week to invest in any game. If I'm playing Neverwinter that's time not spent playing any other MMO or singleplayer game on Steam or whatever.
I liked firstorm's review although I have read reviews from other Neverwinter vets whom had a very different experience overall to the one he had.
Take a look at the review by this guy
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/384641/Well-I-did-it-Ive-beaten-Neverwinter-On-my-Guardian-Fighter.html
Maxed out his char with T2 epic gear in 3 days and didn't spend even one cent on the game. So it is indeed possible to "win" the game without spending anything at all. He never lacked in astral diamonds.
From reading these 2 people's experiences I can already sense they have different gameplay styles. And neither one of them sound like they have an MMO playstyle similar to mine. But both have been helpful in getting a better idea of 1. how they define "f2p" and "p2w" as well as other aspects of Neverwinter that could effect my own time spent in the game.
I'm on day 2 and only level 6 so I'm guessing already I'm a very slow leveler compared to both of these reviewers.
I'm still playing Neverwinter and having a lot of fun yet I also find reviewer opinions from other gamers helpful as well. Obviously others must think the same or sites like MMORPG and multiple youtube mmo video reviews would not get the views they do.