Since I haven't been given a bullet list yet showing which FFXIV/ARR content originated in WoW, I felt compelled (while I wait) to make a list of content coming to ARR that I am pretty sure has never been seen in WoW.
(This list is based on various interviews and news topics)
At launch:
Ability to effectively solo to endgame levels using any class
Multiple classes incl. fast, effective class switching
Combat classes can be upgraded into advanced Jobs
Standalone gathering and crafting classes
Equipment durability, breaking & repairing
Abilities earned through questing
Guild housing incl. furniture making, buffs
Boss rush-style group PvE
No Microtransactions
No corpse running
"Daily" credits can be accumulated for later use, up to 17 days worth.
Any "Daily" content can be repeated so long as credits are onhand.
Minimap can use "north" or "forward" as its cardinal direction.
Free storage for special and event-related equipment
Mount in which you can use as a fighting companion, with customizable abilities, fighting style, and barding.
Roaming bosses which grow stronger after each time they are defeated.
Was an MMO that upgraded to a new graphical engine, new game mechanics, post launch.
Spontaneous large-scale events which occur in the open world over time, and scale in difficulty based on player numbers nearby.
Group-based combat stacking supermoves
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
Mount-centric events and content
Planned after launch:
Personal housing incl. furniture making, buffs
Ship building & content
Airship building & content
Casino incl. a variety of attractions
Racing Mounts
NPCs who will perform some tasks for you even when you are offline.
These NPCs can progress in level and capabilities.
Please correct me if WoW has any of these, or if you can recall other good examples that should be added, and I will fix the post.
Is it true there's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cosmetic content and minipets? At least on, say, Aion's level? I don't know anything about this game really, as I didn't think ti would be appealing to me. But the list looks good and I'm a current WoW player.
And -NO- microtransactions? Truly?
If both of these are true I'd happily look more into this game!
Is it true there's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cosmetic content and minipets? At least on, say, Aion's level? I don't know anything about this game really, as I didn't think ti would be appealing to me. But the list looks good and I'm a current WoW player.
And -NO- microtransactions? Truly?
If both of these are true I'd happily look more into this game!
There has been zero hinting whatsoever of intent for MT.
As for the minions, we know of at least 41 individual types which are for certain going to be available at (or near) launch, some earned through a vendor or quest content, or crafting, various methods.
There are plans for vanity related gear, and even a sort of barber shop to change parts of your appearance, but those are not planned until after launch, as far as I know.
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
Planned after launch:
Airship building & content
Where have these two been mentioned?
I wouldn't really pay attention to these. They're not really significant gameplay altering features (targeting body parts) or have been only extremely vaguely mentioned by the producer (airship building).
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Is it true there's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cosmetic content and minipets? At least on, say, Aion's level? I don't know anything about this game really, as I didn't think ti would be appealing to me. But the list looks good and I'm a current WoW player.
And -NO- microtransactions? Truly?
If both of these are true I'd happily look more into this game!
Cosmetic content I'm not sure about (there should be quite a few ways to decorate your house at least...) but we have been shown tons of minipet artwork hinting that they will all be available come launch. There was a lot of minipets.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Originally posted by sumdumguy1 Well I am interested in the new version but never played the old one. Therefore, I can not play in the Beta which is fine. If anyone could pass along any information or insights regarding their experiences, without violating the NDA, I would appreciate it.
Imagine you're playing WoW only it has amazing graphics and the combat/questing is slightly slower and you've pretty much caught up on everything you missed. Oh and the crafting is also amazing.
This
This is false u mean? Why people continue saying is a WoW clone? because have quest progression?
somethings is not like WoW
- Leveling with Dungeons only: There is a posibility to only level up playing in party on dungeons. Maybe some poeple can find it too repetitive but is somthing different of WoW
- Your character can have All classes in the game, no alters needed.
- Crafting are as dificult to level up to max as a combat job and is interesting to level up (you have to play with Crafting points to level up item quality before item resistance decrease too much..)
- Gatherer have more quality, not pick brush, get items.. there are Gatherer spot levels, with diferent kind of items, rates to get diferent kind of items, etc. More interesting than run and pick.
- There are no factions. The game is not faction vs faction.. is Players vs Game.. the lore of the game is that we all are in war with Garlean Empire, but Garlean Empire is not a playable race. so is Player vs Enviroment focused game (PvE) instead PvP game like WoW (yeah there were PvE servers but are only an option to these who didnt like to be ganked by another faction.
- PvP and PvE skills will be different. Yeah was confirmed that to avoid unbalance PvE balancing PvP games.. skills effects will be changed when u are playing vs another Player than when you are playing the game.
- Quest progression will only work for one class. After that, quests will not reset when you change to another job/class, you will have to level up with Dungeons, Fate, Behest, Guildleves, PvP, etc.
- Armory System: You start as Gladiator for example and at level 30 you unlock Paladin and unlock some skills doing quests.. so Gladiator -> Paladin.. WoW had not "advanced jobs" for your class.
I could continue more and more.. but as you can see, these who say is a Wow Clone didnt played this game. Why is wow clone? because have skill bars? or minimap? or PvP instanced games? quests?... i am tired.. all these features existed before WoW and will exist forever.
People will continue to call it a WoW clone because it's the most similar game to WoW since Runes of Magic. Just because you can pick out a handful of trivial/fluff differences doesn't mean the bulk of the gameplay isn't identical.
Are you saying people can't level exclusively in dungeons in WoW? Ok, technically you have to wait till level 10 to start... though shouldn't you lead with your strongest point? The idea that the first thing you decided to mention that differentiates ARR from WoW is something that is actually in WoW speaks volumes for their similarity.
And good job pointing out there are no factions, since this was a difference between FFXIV 1.0 and WoW it clearly needed remedied so ARR is using Grand Companies as their de facto factions.
Perhaps for the sake of the layman, you can give us a quick bullet list of what in ARR you think was originally used in WoW.
And no, "everything" is not an accurate answer.
You won't get an answer. Or not one with any relevance anyway. People have made the absurd WoW-clone assertion of every MMO that has released since WoW. At this point it's a rite of passage for every new release.
The really stupid thing is that most of the WoW-clone comments are made based entirely on the game having a quest-based progression system. They pay no attention to the other 90% of the game that is nothing like WoW. If any game has quests it's suddenly a WoW clone.
The fact is FFXIV has quite a few core features that haven't been seen in the genre since pre-WoW (at least not in the major releases, some indie titles likely have attempted similar). Some examples:
Using your mount as a combat companion that you can train and equip
Having crafting and gathering classes that are quite literally actual CLASSES in their own right with complex mechanics
Progressing all classes on a single character
Being able to use skills you learn on one class on another when you switch
The combat is significantly slower than WoW offering more tactical options and a skillchain/combo system
The introduction of a limitbreak system that allows party members to combine their attacks into new powerful effects (such as the meteor seen in the benchmark trailer)
The return of player housing (the last good player housing systems were seen in EQ2 and Vanguard... LOTRO's was awful)
True options in terms of how you level.
In WoW you are essentially forced to solo-quest through the majority of the content as there are no other options that offer similar rewards in terms of gear upgrades and xp gain.
In FFXIV you can quest solo, do special group quests, do FATE, hamlet defense and guildhest events, grind mobs in a party (which offers much higher xp rewards than soloing).
It's also worth noting that once you've leveled your first class or two to max using quests you will RUN OUT of quests, meaning you have to start using the other content to level. This alone negates the WoW-clone argument based on quest progression as it's not possible to max a character on regular quests alone.
The ability to defeat and capture Primal world bosses, with the victor then being able to summon said Primal in combat one time before releasing it back into the wild.
And these are just the features that we know to be in at release (barring the housing which is scheduled for the first content update). We know the Golden Saucer will be added a few months after release, which is essentially to be a casino and mini-game haven (just as it was in FFVII). A chocobo stable facility will be released alongside the player housing that allows players to breed, raise, train and trade chocobos for use as mounts and combat companions. If it's anything like XI's this will prove to be quite an in-depth system.
So yeah... the WoW clone comments don't really hold any water after a list like that. There may be a few systems that are similar purely to appeal to those familiar with them but there are countless more that have nothing to do with WoW. Most people trying to brand the game a clone honestly have no clue what they're talking about.
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
Planned after launch:
Airship building & content
Where have these two been mentioned?
I wouldn't really pay attention to these. They're not really significant gameplay altering features (targeting body parts) or have been only extremely vaguely mentioned by the producer (airship building).
I just wanted to see where the way mentioned, because it mean I missed some interview/dev's letter.
Has phase 3 started yet? I been in all betas but was wondering if it has started yet. Already got me a collectors edition on pre-order. You get FAR more stuff than any blizzard game collectors and at a lower price.
Originally posted by Scypher1987 Has phase 3 started yet? I been in all betas but was wondering if it has started yet. Already got me a collectors edition on pre-order. You get FAR more stuff than any blizzard game collectors and at a lower price.
Phase 3 starts early June, hasn't been said what specific date yet.
Tried to play it, they need to bring the system requirements down a notch. I tried playing with my moderately beefy PC (I can play pretty much anything at "Quality" standard and I still get frame rate issues at minimum settings. :-(
Originally posted by sumdumguy1 Well I am interested in the new version but never played the old one. Therefore, I can not play in the Beta which is fine. If anyone could pass along any information or insights regarding their experiences, without violating the NDA, I would appreciate it.
Imagine you're playing WoW only it has amazing graphics and the combat/questing is slightly slower and you've pretty much caught up on everything you missed. Oh and the crafting is also amazing.
This
How can this game be close to WoW's combat I've NEVER played a MMO wich was even a little close to WoW.
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
Planned after launch:
Airship building & content
Where have these two been mentioned?
I wouldn't really pay attention to these. They're not really significant gameplay altering features (targeting body parts) or have been only extremely vaguely mentioned by the producer (airship building).
I just wanted to see where the way mentioned, because it mean I missed some interview/dev's letter.
Sorry, I was afk, I'll give you the citations now.
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
First, the quote:
"Incapacitation of body parts for boss fights, encouraging party members to focus on single targets for more engaging battles."
I wanted to post another example from ARR news post, but now I can't find it.
Airship building
"Yes definitely, with the main storyline you will sort of need airships and also a ship. But not only prepared ships and airships. During the update we will implement a system, so you can build your own ship or airship with your own guild. You can make your own version."
Is it true there's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cosmetic content and minipets? At least on, say, Aion's level? I don't know anything about this game really, as I didn't think ti would be appealing to me. But the list looks good and I'm a current WoW player.
And -NO- microtransactions? Truly?
If both of these are true I'd happily look more into this game!
you can also equip the abilities of other classes with your current class.
Seems the WoW kids never look further then WoW..... Dont you guys now that WoW was a pure EQ clone ? EQ did all the things WoW had at launch.... But i gues these wow kids needs to compare it to WoW as thats the 1st mmo they ever played ?
And Final Fantasy series is old....so old that most of the people saying WOW CLONE !!! where not even born yet ahah :P
But enough WoW shit.
I signed up for Beta 3, i know around 0.000001% chanse to get invited ! but i had to try it as the more i read the more i get sucked into that damn hype again -_- I pledged to myself after Warhammer / Aion / SWTOR i would never be hyped again. Yet today that damn tingeling feeling booted up again......
I cant help but think back how a w e s o m e all those FF games where, how you got lost in playing the game for hours and hours. For that reason alone i hope FF ARR v2.0 will be very similar to bring back that feeling we all had when plaing previous ff games.
yes i know single player versus mmo, but i just cant help it anymore.
Originally posted by jinxit Tried to play it, they need to bring the system requirements down a notch. I tried playing with my moderately beefy PC (I can play pretty much anything at "Quality" standard and I still get frame rate issues at minimum settings. :-(
Not sure what that mean to you a moderate beefy pc, maibe you can write your specs so i can see what kind of pc you have.
I got what i consider a normal pc for gaming and here my specs.
amd phenom II x6 1100T
16 gb ram corsair vengeance
Corsair Force 3 SSD
and a old ATI Radeon HD 5770 card
and i can play this game at the high settings with no lag.
I've pre-ordered the game, does this increases my chance to get into the beta? i just hope so because I wish to get into the beta to kill this boredom.
im kind of getting more excited the more i see new stuff about ARR. This could potentially be the only mmo i pay a sub for, IF all the flaws from version 1.0 are fixed in 2.0.
I never played a FF mmo before, so no clue how good bad or if i like it yes or no. But from what i have heared this might be a very special mmo.
I played FFXI for 5 years - great game.
I played FFXIV for 1 year - ok game.
FFXIV ARR is just so mediocre it hurts. Wait until they drop the NDA or test the game yourself to see how painfully boring the quest are.
YoshiP promised us gold and gave us Chocobo crap instead.
Lacking any supporting evidence, your libel should not be taken at all seriously. ARR is fantastic. Loads better than 1.0, and that is just comparing 1.x Gridania to Beta 2's Old Gridania and New Gridania. Granted we have seen very little of the final product, but publicly released media on the game clearly demonstrates that any issues that reviews rated the game down for are nonexistant in ARR.
I've tried to play final fantasy XI but sadly It's too god damn confusing for me, the controls are not very friendly, not alot of people play the game, all I see is people near the auction house all quiet, and very few people in the open fields. I'm a guy that like to solo a lot on mmorpg and I am kinda anti-social, it's a waste of 30-40 bucks to play final fantasy XI, and wanted something modern like this Final Fantasy XIV. I just hope that I find some fun in this game, otherwise i just wasted yet another 40 bucks.
Originally posted by darkedone02 I've pre-ordered the game, does this increases my chance to get into the beta? i just hope so because I wish to get into the beta to kill this boredom.
Don't believe so. Gamestop and others just give out a code for early access. Buddy got one taped to his receipt from Gamestop.
I've tried to play final fantasy XI but sadly It's too god damn confusing for me, the controls are not very friendly, not alot of people play the game, all I see is people near the auction house all quiet, and very few people in the open fields. I'm a guy that like to solo a lot on mmorpg and I am kinda anti-social, it's a waste of 30-40 bucks to play final fantasy XI, and wanted something modern like this Final Fantasy XIV. I just hope that I find some fun in this game, otherwise i just wasted yet another 40 bucks.
FFXI right now is lacking the people it use to have obviously. But now alot of the people stay in groups so you would have to try to get into one of the groups. And FFXI was never the greatest solo game and FFXIV wasn't either as for ARR who knows how it will be, but they did say they will allow for more solo play. Why do you play MMO"s if you want to be by your self tho lol xD
I've tried to play final fantasy XI but sadly It's too god damn confusing for me, the controls are not very friendly, not alot of people play the game, all I see is people near the auction house all quiet, and very few people in the open fields. I'm a guy that like to solo a lot on mmorpg and I am kinda anti-social, it's a waste of 30-40 bucks to play final fantasy XI, and wanted something modern like this Final Fantasy XIV. I just hope that I find some fun in this game, otherwise i just wasted yet another 40 bucks.
FFXI right now is lacking the people it use to have obviously. But now alot of the people stay in groups so you would have to try to get into one of the groups. And FFXI was never the greatest solo game and FFXIV wasn't either as for ARR who knows how it will be, but they did say they will allow for more solo play. Why do you play MMO"s if you want to be by your self tho lol xD
Its an option. Not the best option assuming you can find a committed group, but an option many other games do not have.
Alternate play styles make alternate people more interested in the game, whether you want to do it that way or not.
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Since I haven't been given a bullet list yet showing which FFXIV/ARR content originated in WoW, I felt compelled (while I wait) to make a list of content coming to ARR that I am pretty sure has never been seen in WoW.
(This list is based on various interviews and news topics)
At launch:
Planned after launch:
Is it true there's a lot (and I mean a LOT) of cosmetic content and minipets? At least on, say, Aion's level? I don't know anything about this game really, as I didn't think ti would be appealing to me. But the list looks good and I'm a current WoW player.
And -NO- microtransactions? Truly?
If both of these are true I'd happily look more into this game!
There has been zero hinting whatsoever of intent for MT.
As for the minions, we know of at least 41 individual types which are for certain going to be available at (or near) launch, some earned through a vendor or quest content, or crafting, various methods.
There are plans for vanity related gear, and even a sort of barber shop to change parts of your appearance, but those are not planned until after launch, as far as I know.
Where have these two been mentioned?
I wouldn't really pay attention to these. They're not really significant gameplay altering features (targeting body parts) or have been only extremely vaguely mentioned by the producer (airship building).
Cosmetic content I'm not sure about (there should be quite a few ways to decorate your house at least...) but we have been shown tons of minipet artwork hinting that they will all be available come launch. There was a lot of minipets.
You won't get an answer. Or not one with any relevance anyway. People have made the absurd WoW-clone assertion of every MMO that has released since WoW. At this point it's a rite of passage for every new release.
The really stupid thing is that most of the WoW-clone comments are made based entirely on the game having a quest-based progression system. They pay no attention to the other 90% of the game that is nothing like WoW. If any game has quests it's suddenly a WoW clone.
The fact is FFXIV has quite a few core features that haven't been seen in the genre since pre-WoW (at least not in the major releases, some indie titles likely have attempted similar). Some examples:
I just wanted to see where the way mentioned, because it mean I missed some interview/dev's letter.
Phase 3 starts early June, hasn't been said what specific date yet.
How can this game be close to WoW's combat I've NEVER played a MMO wich was even a little close to WoW.
Sorry, I was afk, I'll give you the citations now.
Enemy abilities can be disabled by targeting specific body parts- can also produce alternate loot.
First, the quote:
"Incapacitation of body parts for boss fights, encouraging party members to focus on single targets for more engaging battles."
Source: http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/download/en/FFXIV_2.0_Systems_and_Content_EN.pdf
I wanted to post another example from ARR news post, but now I can't find it.
Airship building
"Yes definitely, with the main storyline you will sort of need airships and also a ship. But not only prepared ships and airships. During the update we will implement a system, so you can build your own ship or airship with your own guild. You can make your own version."
Source: http://jpgames-forum.de/jpgames-de-foren/news-rund-um-japanische-videospiele/23211-final-fantasy-xiv-our-new-interview-with-naoki-yoshida/
Airship Content
"We'd like to make these rides more exciting. For example, a FATE might occur after players board an airship."
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjoh3VEPyLU&feature=player_detailpage#t=5111.9s
you can also equip the abilities of other classes with your current class.
Seems the WoW kids never look further then WoW.....
Dont you guys now that WoW was a pure EQ clone ?
EQ did all the things WoW had at launch....
But i gues these wow kids needs to compare it to WoW as thats the 1st mmo they ever played ?
And Final Fantasy series is old....so old that most of the people saying WOW CLONE !!! where not even born yet ahah :P
But enough WoW shit.
I signed up for Beta 3, i know around 0.000001% chanse to get invited ! but i had to try it as the more i read the more i get sucked into that damn hype again -_-
I pledged to myself after Warhammer / Aion / SWTOR i would never be hyped again.
Yet today that damn tingeling feeling booted up again......
I cant help but think back how a w e s o m e all those FF games where, how you got lost in playing the game for hours and hours.
For that reason alone i hope FF ARR v2.0 will be very similar to bring back that feeling we all had when plaing previous ff games.
yes i know single player versus mmo, but i just cant help it anymore.
I need more info
Not sure what that mean to you a moderate beefy pc, maibe you can write your specs so i can see what kind of pc you have.
I got what i consider a normal pc for gaming and here my specs.
amd phenom II x6 1100T
16 gb ram corsair vengeance
Corsair Force 3 SSD
and a old ATI Radeon HD 5770 card
and i can play this game at the high settings with no lag.
I never played a FF mmo before, so no clue how good bad or if i like it yes or no.
But from what i have heared this might be a very special mmo.
And i just want a good mmo to invest time in for longer periods of time instead of all the game hopping iam doing for the past few years
I played FFXI for 5 years - great game.
I played FFXIV for 1 year - ok game.
FFXIV ARR is just so mediocre it hurts. Wait until they drop the NDA or test the game yourself to see how painfully boring the quest are.
YoshiP promised us gold and gave us Chocobo crap instead.
Lacking any supporting evidence, your libel should not be taken at all seriously. ARR is fantastic. Loads better than 1.0, and that is just comparing 1.x Gridania to Beta 2's Old Gridania and New Gridania. Granted we have seen very little of the final product, but publicly released media on the game clearly demonstrates that any issues that reviews rated the game down for are nonexistant in ARR.
I've tried to play final fantasy XI but sadly It's too god damn confusing for me, the controls are not very friendly, not alot of people play the game, all I see is people near the auction house all quiet, and very few people in the open fields. I'm a guy that like to solo a lot on mmorpg and I am kinda anti-social, it's a waste of 30-40 bucks to play final fantasy XI, and wanted something modern like this Final Fantasy XIV. I just hope that I find some fun in this game, otherwise i just wasted yet another 40 bucks.
Don't believe so. Gamestop and others just give out a code for early access. Buddy got one taped to his receipt from Gamestop.
FFXI right now is lacking the people it use to have obviously. But now alot of the people stay in groups so you would have to try to get into one of the groups. And FFXI was never the greatest solo game and FFXIV wasn't either as for ARR who knows how it will be, but they did say they will allow for more solo play. Why do you play MMO"s if you want to be by your self tho lol xD
Its an option. Not the best option assuming you can find a committed group, but an option many other games do not have.
Alternate play styles make alternate people more interested in the game, whether you want to do it that way or not.