Sorry if you guys consider AOW a sandbox you really show you have no idea what a real sandbox is.
AOW runs on the rails worse than most theme parks, boggles my mind that a game like this would even remotely be considered in the same ballpark as a game like SWG.
It does boggle your mind cause you just don't get it. Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, and it has an IQ requirement.
Worse than most theme parks? Sounds like you are more comfortable playing theme park MMOs, that's why you think AOW is worse than most theme parks. fair enough.
This game is simplistic, boring, and nowhere near engaging. The characters feel like animated cardboard, the world feels dead, and it relies too much on the "flying" as a gimmick.
That was my experience, as well. It was a couple hours of... doing quests. I also didn't care for the cash shop, as it's one of the few MMOs where I actually felt gated by how much I spent, especially with the VIP system.
It had a neat art style, but that wasn't enough to hold my interest. As for 'sandbox'... to each his own on that one. I didn't experience any of it.
Yeah right, a couple hours of doing quests, you make me lol. Playing AOW does have an IQ requirement it seems.
Your posts in this thread are further reason when the game isn't my cup of tea - caustic fanbase.
Good to know, too many noobs in game already. the lesser the merrier.
I am sure Snail Games and the Devs thoroughly agree you.
I am also sure that they are quite ecstatic about you being such an ardent supporter of their game.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
This game is simplistic, boring, and nowhere near engaging. The characters feel like animated cardboard, the world feels dead, and it relies too much on the "flying" as a gimmick.
That was my experience, as well. It was a couple hours of... doing quests. I also didn't care for the cash shop, as it's one of the few MMOs where I actually felt gated by how much I spent, especially with the VIP system.
It had a neat art style, but that wasn't enough to hold my interest. As for 'sandbox'... to each his own on that one. I didn't experience any of it.
So many responses that continue to prove my point. It's not a bad thing that people want instant action and to be the hero on day one. I'm not trying to debate that point.
However, these are fundamental reasons why sandboxes won't work in the west anymore. If players want a truly open environment and game systems that will promote long-term, player driven content, there's going to be a learning curve which may not translate into super exciting game play right off the bat.
Your point is moot.
Not to offend you but your arguing similar to the way someone with asperger argues. Someone makes a statement backed up by something you said. In this game 'the Tutorial is boring' and instead of expanding on the topic you attack with 'your an entitled gamer'.
In no way shape or form is that an argument, it is you simply trying to convince others or your self that you enjoy the game and that the west dosn't like 'sandbox' game when the game is not a sandbox.
How does this relate to someone with Asperger? Because a person with Asperger is unable/extremely hard to grasp another persons perspective and opinion. If a persons opinion or way of doing something is different then their own they get angry and lash out verbally or start to shake and talk to the person in a demeaning tone.
This topic is not a discussion its you trying to prove a point. I am actually going to request this gets closed because its clearly flame bait.
I haven't attacked anyone and never once called anyone in this thread an "entitled gamer." I did however, point out that many players are looking for instant gratification and that is an unrealistic expectation for sandbox style games.
Interestingly enough, you appear to be in more of an attack mode than most people on this thread, to the point that you are suggesting that I have Aspergers and cannot relate to people.
Sorry you don't find value in this discussion but these are forums and we are entitled to debate and stand by our opinions.
I'd really like to know when "all out pvp" started to = "sandbox"....that's really the only part of sandbox this game has...otherwise it has no direction.
My complaints:
- Uninspiring graphics
- Limited character customization
- world similar to every other (historic) type asian grinder
- combat does not feel fluid at all
- people call it a sandbox when it's not one
- no direction (other than pvp)
Here is my complaints to your complaints:
1. you either have a crappy computer or you don't know how to maximize the graphic settings. - nah, they are just not that inspiring. compare them to AoC, TSW and even an outdated game like Ryzom or AO...that's inspiring...
2. if you really digging that, aow is not for you. maybe hello kitty has better customization. - I like freedom in gaming...sorry man
3. world similar? have you actually traveled outside the noob village? I bet you never did cause you couldn't even pass the initial half an hour tutorial. - I traveled quite a bit and it's very asian...just like other asian games.
4. have you actually had any combat with goose skill? I bet not, you expect to be the master right the way. - so you are telling me that mechanics change as the game progresses? That's impractical and impossible. Im sure some fighting methods are better than others, but mechanics are mechanics...not as smooth as I exp
5. sandbox or not , who are you to judge? - My answer was to the OP stating this is a sandbox game...it's simply not.
6. no direction? wow guide you, not AOW. AOW is for elite gamer, you just a noob. - Im not asking to be guided. Im asking this game to have the tools to build the world you want....not just give you premaid skills to go out and kill each other all day.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
So many responses that continue to prove my point. It's not a bad thing that people want instant action and to be the hero on day one. I'm not trying to debate that point.
However, these are fundamental reasons why sandboxes won't work in the west anymore. If players want a truly open environment and game systems that will promote long-term, player driven content, there's going to be a learning curve which may not translate into super exciting game play right off the bat.
Your point is moot.
Not to offend you but your arguing similar to the way someone with asperger argues. Someone makes a statement backed up by something you said. In this game 'the Tutorial is boring' and instead of expanding on the topic you attack with 'your an entitled gamer'.
In no way shape or form is that an argument, it is you simply trying to convince others or your self that you enjoy the game and that the west dosn't like 'sandbox' game when the game is not a sandbox.
How does this relate to someone with Asperger? Because a person with Asperger is unable/extremely hard to grasp another persons perspective and opinion. If a persons opinion or way of doing something is different then their own they get angry and lash out verbally or start to shake and talk to the person in a demeaning tone.
This topic is not a discussion its you trying to prove a point. I am actually going to request this gets closed because its clearly flame bait.
No it stands and been proven over and over in this thread. Over we've seen the same thing. The instant gratification crowd playing for 2 hours, then syaing the game is not a sandbox.
Yes your first few hours will be questing, quest giver to quest giver during the tutorial, very similar to EVE. After that you're free to go. Sorry you will not kill ny dragons, or have any super leet skills during the tutorial.
The progression arch of AoW is literally years, not months like the mmorpgs we've seen made the last 8 years.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
lol, my IQ is just average, but high enough to make me enjoy this game, high enough to make me figuring out the translation and navigating the UI, high enough to make me going through the half hour tutorial. what's your IQ in this game?
I'd really like to know when "all out pvp" started to = "sandbox"....that's really the only part of sandbox this game has...otherwise it has no direction.
My complaints:
- Uninspiring graphics
- Limited character customization
- world similar to every other (historic) type asian grinder
- combat does not feel fluid at all
- people call it a sandbox when it's not one
- no direction (other than pvp)
Here is my complaints to your complaints:
1. you either have a crappy computer or you don't know how to maximize the graphic settings. - nah, they are just not that inspiring. compare them to AoC, TSW and even an outdated game like Ryzom or AO...that's inspiring...
2. if you really digging that, aow is not for you. maybe hello kitty has better customization. - I like freedom in gaming...sorry man
3. world similar? have you actually traveled outside the noob village? I bet you never did cause you couldn't even pass the initial half an hour tutorial. - I traveled quite a bit and it's very asian...just like other asian games.
4. have you actually had any combat with goose skill? I bet not, you expect to be the master right the way. - so you are telling me that mechanics change as the game progresses? That's impractical and impossible. Im sure some fighting methods are better than others, but mechanics are mechanics...not as smooth as I exp
5. sandbox or not , who are you to judge? - My answer was to the OP stating this is a sandbox game...it's simply not.
6. no direction? wow guide you, not AOW. AOW is for elite gamer, you just a noob. - Im not asking to be guided. Im asking this game to have the tools to build the world you want....not just give you premaid skills to go out and kill each other all day.
rofl YES, they do change, just not in the first few hours lol.
Oh and as far as smooth, it's the only mmorpg on the market that you can strafe back and forth super fast. It's just as responsive as WoW, no gliding, do delay.
This is a very serious question and I am not trying to troll, I just want to avoid downloading the game if I don't have to. Is the text in the chat bubbles now or does it extend past it. I remember when I was doing the tutorial quests the text didn't even stay inside the lines of the box... this is what I am talking about when I say presentation
i think the OP is not recognizing the astonishing power of enculturation and the difficulties any person from one culture may have in adjusting to all of the subtle cultural cues that are missing in his own frame of reference.
there moments when interacting with a different culture can actually be a bit exhausting.
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
Originally posted by hockeyplayr This is a very serious question and I am not trying to troll, I just want to avoid downloading the game if I don't have to. Is the text in the chat bubbles now or does it extend past it. I remember when I was doing the tutorial quests the text didn't even stay inside the lines of the box... this is what I am talking about when I say presentation
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
lol, my IQ is just average, but high enough to make me enjoy this game, high enough to make me figuring out the translation and navigating the UI, high enough to make me going through the half hour tutorial. what's your IQ in this game?
My IQ is 130, but that's neither here nor there...any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest
A Chinese MMO sandbox is bad, so Sandbox games as a whole are bad.
Right...
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
Originally posted by fat_taddler I did however, point out that many players are looking for instant gratification and that is an unrealistic expectation for sandbox style games.
And I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
But whether or not Age of Wushu succeeds in disseminating the necessary information so that the player can learn what is needed at a reasonable pace is of question. You said it was boring. I would agree with you.
Your next move was to say that it automatically proved your point that there were players who wanted instant gratification and weren't willing to spend the time.
So your stance is that players must work through the boring. I would say that that the developers need to make it so learning the appropriate materials isn't a slog.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
Touche.
AOW is for elite gamers = one the most ridiculous statements i have read here in the past several weeks, borderline hilarious, i wonder if all AOW players consider themselves "elite" or is it just an isolated fanboy thing.
I'd really like to know when "all out pvp" started to = "sandbox"....that's really the only part of sandbox this game has...otherwise it has no direction.
My complaints:
- Uninspiring graphics
- Limited character customization
- world similar to every other (historic) type asian grinder
- combat does not feel fluid at all
- people call it a sandbox when it's not one
- no direction (other than pvp)
Here is my complaints to your complaints:
1. you either have a crappy computer or you don't know how to maximize the graphic settings. - nah, they are just not that inspiring. compare them to AoC, TSW and even an outdated game like Ryzom or AO...that's inspiring...
2. if you really digging that, aow is not for you. maybe hello kitty has better customization. - I like freedom in gaming...sorry man
3. world similar? have you actually traveled outside the noob village? I bet you never did cause you couldn't even pass the initial half an hour tutorial. - I traveled quite a bit and it's very asian...just like other asian games.
4. have you actually had any combat with goose skill? I bet not, you expect to be the master right the way. - so you are telling me that mechanics change as the game progresses? That's impractical and impossible. Im sure some fighting methods are better than others, but mechanics are mechanics...not as smooth as I exp
5. sandbox or not , who are you to judge? - My answer was to the OP stating this is a sandbox game...it's simply not.
6. no direction? wow guide you, not AOW. AOW is for elite gamer, you just a noob. - Im not asking to be guided. Im asking this game to have the tools to build the world you want....not just give you premaid skills to go out and kill each other all day.
rofl YES, they do change, just not in the first few hours lol.
Oh and as far as smooth, it's the only mmorpg on the market that you can strafe back and forth super fast. It's just as responsive as WoW, no gliding, do delay.
BC, you do understand that I am talking about how the code has been written and animations designed to perform certain things. You are telling me that changes as the game goes on?? That seems impossible.
The reason it could be feeling so "unsmooth" (not a word) could be because of the design of characters and world....they feel "big" for a game and don't appear to move very fluidly. just a guess though
We (the NA) suck at gaming and always have since gaming was developed. I know this because I use to be able to play foreign version of games, even online, but now our great country blocks that availability because, Wait for it! (I might be a terrorist if I play foreign games.) Now I am stuck playing dumbed down NA version of games and it sucks! Tell me one NA game that even compares to any foreign game released! All NA players want is the same things that make babies happy, pretty colors, shiny bright graphics, everything given to them for doing nothing, ability to solo in a social online game, no challenges required to get the best gear, hell you get given the best gear even if you suck. It is a terrible world for gaming in NA and it is terrible being stuck playing these terrible games when we as Americans should be playing the best games now the worse.
This game is simplistic, boring, and nowhere near engaging. The characters feel like animated cardboard, the world feels dead, and it relies too much on the "flying" as a gimmick.
That was my experience, as well. It was a couple hours of... doing quests. I also didn't care for the cash shop, as it's one of the few MMOs where I actually felt gated by how much I spent, especially with the VIP system.
It had a neat art style, but that wasn't enough to hold my interest. As for 'sandbox'... to each his own on that one. I didn't experience any of it.
Yeah right, a couple hours of doing quests, you make me lol. Playing AOW does have an IQ requirement it seems.
Your posts in this thread are further reason when the game isn't my cup of tea - caustic fanbase.
Good to know, too many noobs in game already. the lesser the merrier.
I am sure Snail Games and the Devs thoroughly agree you.
I am also sure that they are quite ecstatic about you being such an ardent supporter of their game.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Such an elegant response . As stated earlier I am certain that the Dev Team and Snail Games appreciate your enthusiastic support..
I am currently playing the game and I enjoy the learning curve.
The game has other issues as stated by me and numerous posters in this thread.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
lol, my IQ is just average, but high enough to make me enjoy this game, high enough to make me figuring out the translation and navigating the UI, high enough to make me going through the half hour tutorial. what's your IQ in this game?
My IQ is 130, but that's neither here nor there...any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest
My last IQ test (I did it 9 years ago) was 126, so I'm lower than yous. but I like what you said here, any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest. So don't judge the game based on 2 hours play.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
lol, my IQ is just average, but high enough to make me enjoy this game, high enough to make me figuring out the translation and navigating the UI, high enough to make me going through the half hour tutorial. what's your IQ in this game?
My IQ is 130, but that's neither here nor there...any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest
My last IQ test (I did it 9 years ago) was 126, so I'm lower than yous. but I like what you said here, any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest. So don't judge the game based on 2 hours play.
I actually played it for about 8 hours...I don't like the game and decided not to invest time in it...doesnt make me a dummy. I'd be a dummy if I kept playing it. But to say it's a sandbox is a bit far-fetched.
Originally posted by fat_taddler I did however, point out that many players are looking for instant gratification and that is an unrealistic expectation for sandbox style games.
And I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
But whether or not Age of Wushu succeeds in disseminating the necessary information so that the player can learn what is needed at a reasonable pace is of question. You said it was boring. I would agree with you.
Your next move was to say that it automatically proved your point that there were players who wanted instant gratification and weren't willing to spend the time.
So your stance is that players must work through the boring. I would say that that the developers need to make it so learning the appropriate materials isn't a slog.
I definitely agree. Once a developer comes up with an effective way to marry complex in-game systems with an engaging and fun learning experience, my argument goes out the window.
Unfortunately, we're not there yet which is why I believe that sandbox games don't / won't do well in the west.
Originally posted by Thorbrand We (the NA) suck at gaming and always have since gaming was developed. I know this because I use to be able to play foreign version of games, even online, but now our great country blocks that availability because, Wait for it! (I might be a terrorist if I play foreign games.) Now I am stuck playing dumbed down NA version of games and it sucks! Tell me one NA game that even compares to any foreign game released! All NA players want is the same things that make babies happy, pretty colors, shiny bright graphics, everything given to them for doing nothing, ability to solo in a social online game, no challenges required to get the best gear, hell you get given the best gear even if you suck. It is a terrible world for gaming in NA and it is terrible being stuck playing these terrible games when we as Americans should be playing the best games now the worse.
I hear you.
The rest of the world has been suffering 'dumbed-down' games for years.. because they *must* sell in America and conform to the childish restraints imposed there, I suppose we have to expect it from such a young and inexperienced nation ...
BC, you do understand that I am talking about how the code has been written and animations designed to perform certain things. You are telling me that changes as the game goes on?? That seems impossible.
The reason it could be feeling so "unsmooth" (not a word) could be because of the design of characters and world....they feel "big" for a game and don't appear to move very fluidly. just a guess though
Assume you know how to type letters without looking at keyboard while typing, if you want combat run fluidly, try to rebind your skills.
left hand for using A.S.W.D(direction keys), right hand for using mouse(for camera view), try to bind right button to shift key, that way you can use goose while pressing A/S/W/D and right mouse button down. all important skills should be bound to E,F,G,R,Q,X,Z keys, so that you can use your skills by typing those keys without even looking at your keyboard. the more you practice your combat, the more fluidly it become. This game requires skills, you need to practice to perfect it.
I don't usually give out tips like this, since it's Friday and I'm in such a good mood. lol..
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It does boggle your mind cause you just don't get it. Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, and it has an IQ requirement.
Worse than most theme parks? Sounds like you are more comfortable playing theme park MMOs, that's why you think AOW is worse than most theme parks. fair enough.
I support interesting games, I support innovative games, I support games that make you want to dig more into it. I support games have non button mashing combat. AOW just happened to be the one.
Once again, AOW is for elite gamers, it has an IQ requirement.
So you think that's what the game is?
I haven't attacked anyone and never once called anyone in this thread an "entitled gamer." I did however, point out that many players are looking for instant gratification and that is an unrealistic expectation for sandbox style games.
Interestingly enough, you appear to be in more of an attack mode than most people on this thread, to the point that you are suggesting that I have Aspergers and cannot relate to people.
Sorry you don't find value in this discussion but these are forums and we are entitled to debate and stand by our opinions.
Just for the record Park, what's your IQ, oh great and mighty?
No it stands and been proven over and over in this thread. Over we've seen the same thing. The instant gratification crowd playing for 2 hours, then syaing the game is not a sandbox.
Yes your first few hours will be questing, quest giver to quest giver during the tutorial, very similar to EVE. After that you're free to go. Sorry you will not kill ny dragons, or have any super leet skills during the tutorial.
The progression arch of AoW is literally years, not months like the mmorpgs we've seen made the last 8 years.
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415
lol, my IQ is just average, but high enough to make me enjoy this game, high enough to make me figuring out the translation and navigating the UI, high enough to make me going through the half hour tutorial. what's your IQ in this game?
rofl YES, they do change, just not in the first few hours lol.
Oh and as far as smooth, it's the only mmorpg on the market that you can strafe back and forth super fast. It's just as responsive as WoW, no gliding, do delay.
i think the OP is not recognizing the astonishing power of enculturation and the difficulties any person from one culture may have in adjusting to all of the subtle cultural cues that are missing in his own frame of reference.
there moments when interacting with a different culture can actually be a bit exhausting.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
beta issues
Yes it fits now lol.
My IQ is 130, but that's neither here nor there...any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest
Let me make sure I have this correct.
A Chinese MMO sandbox is bad, so Sandbox games as a whole are bad.
Right...
I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson
And I don't think anyone would disagree with you.
But whether or not Age of Wushu succeeds in disseminating the necessary information so that the player can learn what is needed at a reasonable pace is of question. You said it was boring. I would agree with you.
Your next move was to say that it automatically proved your point that there were players who wanted instant gratification and weren't willing to spend the time.
So your stance is that players must work through the boring. I would say that that the developers need to make it so learning the appropriate materials isn't a slog.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Touche.
AOW is for elite gamers = one the most ridiculous statements i have read here in the past several weeks, borderline hilarious, i wonder if all AOW players consider themselves "elite" or is it just an isolated fanboy thing.
BC, you do understand that I am talking about how the code has been written and animations designed to perform certain things. You are telling me that changes as the game goes on?? That seems impossible.
The reason it could be feeling so "unsmooth" (not a word) could be because of the design of characters and world....they feel "big" for a game and don't appear to move very fluidly. just a guess though
Such an elegant response . As stated earlier I am certain that the Dev Team and Snail Games appreciate your enthusiastic support..
I am currently playing the game and I enjoy the learning curve.
The game has other issues as stated by me and numerous posters in this thread.
Sarcasm off/
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415
My last IQ test (I did it 9 years ago) was 126, so I'm lower than yous. but I like what you said here, any game can be mastered with time...if somebody wants to invest. So don't judge the game based on 2 hours play.
I actually played it for about 8 hours...I don't like the game and decided not to invest time in it...doesnt make me a dummy. I'd be a dummy if I kept playing it. But to say it's a sandbox is a bit far-fetched.
I definitely agree. Once a developer comes up with an effective way to marry complex in-game systems with an engaging and fun learning experience, my argument goes out the window.
Unfortunately, we're not there yet which is why I believe that sandbox games don't / won't do well in the west.
I hear you.
The rest of the world has been suffering 'dumbed-down' games for years.. because they *must* sell in America and conform to the childish restraints imposed there, I suppose we have to expect it from such a young and inexperienced nation ...
Assume you know how to type letters without looking at keyboard while typing, if you want combat run fluidly, try to rebind your skills.
left hand for using A.S.W.D(direction keys), right hand for using mouse(for camera view), try to bind right button to shift key, that way you can use goose while pressing A/S/W/D and right mouse button down. all important skills should be bound to E,F,G,R,Q,X,Z keys, so that you can use your skills by typing those keys without even looking at your keyboard. the more you practice your combat, the more fluidly it become. This game requires skills, you need to practice to perfect it.
I don't usually give out tips like this, since it's Friday and I'm in such a good mood. lol..