Thanks I didn't think so. I purchased a combo at Newegg that comes with a compatible motherboard but I didn't realize that installing a new motherboard meant I had to put in a new copy of Windows. I am very intimated right now:)
Originally posted by syntax42 You shouldn't have to install a new copy of Windows. Call Microsoft and use their over-the-phone registration system.
^ ^ This
I know some people will tell you to buy a new copy of windows with a new PC. But you dont have too for sure. A quick phone call will get it activated.
Hell I even have my same copy of windows 7 running on two computers both validated by microsoft phone support. Same key used and it is an oem copy.
I do believe in supporting the company. But I am not going to go buy a new $100 OS at every turn. I will not use a pirated OS nor do I recommend one to anybody either.
The way I see it if M$ will validate it then its legit. If they were that concerned about it then validating it over the phone with M$ would not work.
Originally posted by syntax42You shouldn't have to install a new copy of Windows. Call Microsoft and use their over-the-phone registration system.
^ ^ This
I know some people will tell you to buy a new copy of windows with a new PC. But you dont have too for sure. A quick phone call will get it activated.
Hell I even have my same copy of windows 7 running on two computers both validated by microsoft phone support. Same key used and it is an oem copy.
I do believe in supporting the company. But I am not going to go buy a new $100 OS at every turn. I will not use a pirated OS nor do I recommend one to anybody either.
The way I see it if M$ will validate it then its legit. If they were that concerned about it then validating it over the phone with M$ would not work.
Technically, that is a pirated OS - MS validated it under false pretenses made by you. Even if they had no validation at all - their license still states what it states, and if you violate it your in the wrong legally - no matter what the software allows you to do.
Yes, you can probably get away with it. No, the black helicopters probably won't swoop in and sue you.
That doesn't make it any less illegal (immoral or moral maybe as well, but that's a different discussion).
Case in point - I ~could~ drive 110MPH in a school zone and do donuts in the playground lawn. The flimsy chain link fence doesn't really stop me from doing it, so I should be allowed to. If they really didn't want me do drive so fast, my car would stop going faster once it hit the speed limit, and if they wanted to keep me out of the playground, they would install tire shredders or a concrete wall or something. Because I can do it makes it perfectly valid and ok.
Doesn't really hold up...
That being said - I don't necessarily agree with the MS licensing model. I think it's intentionally obtuse, convoluted, and there are much better and simpler ways to license software and still preserve a profit margin. But to that end, I don't recommend that people go out and do something illegal to promote that agenda. I certainly don't encourage them to do so and fail to mention the legality of it.
If you know the rules, and choose to violate them, I won't really look down on you (and in my heart of hearts, I agree with you), but at least realize what you are doing before you do it, because ignorance is not a valid defense.
The actual rules:
~If~ you have a retail copy of Windows (and those are rare, they are very expensive) - those licenses will transfer. ~If~ you have an OEM copy (the vast majority are) - those licences are tied to the computer with which they were sold - and MS defines the "Computer" as the motherboard. You cannot replace the motherboard to upgrade, but you are allowed to repair a failed motherboard (with a like model, or if that model is no longer in production, what is considered the modern equivalent by the manufacturer). ~If~ you have an Upgrade edition (a lot of people do) - then the rules go from whatever edition (Retail or OEM) that you originally upgraded from. It's not too atypical to see and upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade and it stems back to a root Windows 98 license.
There was a weird Vista clause, where if you a retail copy of Vista you were only allowed to transfer it once, and if you applied an Upgrade edition to said copy of Vista, being that the Upgrade gets it's rules from the base edition, then your upgrade would only transfer once as well - lots of people revolted against that, and it was rescinded with Win7.
There's also wierd virtualization clauses, but those don't apply to physical hardware running the OS.
This is what is buried in that EULA that most everyone clicks Accept on.
Originally posted by Ridelynn ~If~ you have an OEM copy (the vast majority are) - those licences are tied to the computer with which they were sold - and MS defines the "Computer" as the motherboard. You cannot replace the motherboard to upgrade, but you are allowed to repair a failed motherboard (with a like model, or if that model is no longer in production, what is considered the modern equivalent by the manufacturer).
Under the repair clause - if the motherboard replacement occurred because of a fault, not because your trying to upgrade - and this was the motherboard replacement you were sent - then you should be able to transfer your license.
As long as you stick to that story at any rate. I would say 20% of the time when you call the 1-800 activation number, you get kicked to a live person and they ask questions like this to check if your serial number really is valid. I've had to call that number many, many times over the course of many PC rebuilds.
Originally posted by syntax42You shouldn't have to install a new copy of Windows. Call Microsoft and use their over-the-phone registration system.
^ ^ This
I know some people will tell you to buy a new copy of windows with a new PC. But you dont have too for sure. A quick phone call will get it activated.
Hell I even have my same copy of windows 7 running on two computers both validated by microsoft phone support. Same key used and it is an oem copy.
I do believe in supporting the company. But I am not going to go buy a new $100 OS at every turn. I will not use a pirated OS nor do I recommend one to anybody either.
The way I see it if M$ will validate it then its legit. If they were that concerned about it then validating it over the phone with M$ would not work.
Technically, that is a pirated OS - MS validated it under false pretenses made by you. Even if they had no validation at all - their license still states what it states, and if you violate it your in the wrong legally - no matter what the software allows you to do.
Yes, you can probably get away with it. No, the black helicopters probably won't swoop in and sue you.
That doesn't make it any less illegal (immoral or moral maybe as well, but that's a different discussion).
Case in point - I ~could~ drive 110MPH in a school zone and do donuts in the playground lawn. The flimsy chain link fence doesn't really stop me from doing it, so I should be allowed to. If they really didn't want me do drive so fast, my car would stop going faster once it hit the speed limit, and if they wanted to keep me out of the playground, they would install tire shredders or a concrete wall or something. Because I can do it makes it perfectly valid and ok.
Doesn't really hold up...
That being said - I don't necessarily agree with the MS licensing model. I think it's intentionally obtuse, convoluted, and there are much better and simpler ways to license software and still preserve a profit margin. But to that end, I don't recommend that people go out and do something illegal to promote that agenda. I certainly don't encourage them to do so and fail to mention the legality of it.
If you know the rules, and choose to violate them, I won't really look down on you (and in my heart of hearts, I agree with you), but at least realize what you are doing before you do it, because ignorance is not a valid defense.
The actual rules:
~If~ you have a retail copy of Windows (and those are rare, they are very expensive) - those licenses will transfer. ~If~ you have an OEM copy (the vast majority are) - those licences are tied to the computer with which they were sold - and MS defines the "Computer" as the motherboard. You cannot replace the motherboard to upgrade, but you are allowed to repair a failed motherboard (with a like model, or if that model is no longer in production, what is considered the modern equivalent by the manufacturer). ~If~ you have an Upgrade edition (a lot of people do) - then the rules go from whatever edition (Retail or OEM) that you originally upgraded from. It's not too atypical to see and upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade and it stems back to a root Windows 98 license.
There was a weird Vista clause, where if you a retail copy of Vista you were only allowed to transfer it once, and if you applied an Upgrade edition to said copy of Vista, being that the Upgrade gets it's rules from the base edition, then your upgrade would only transfer once as well - lots of people revolted against that, and it was rescinded with Win7.
There's also wierd virtualization clauses, but those don't apply to physical hardware running the OS.
This is what is buried in that EULA that most everyone clicks Accept on.
Yeah I know what ya mean And I do understand what I am doing. I have bought plenty of OS from M$ over the years. Not to mention 2 xbox 360's ( both which went balls up) , many many games, products, ect.
Not that it makes it right legally or morally. But in this case I just really dont give a shit to be honest. If I get an extra install on an OS I paid for then oh friggin well lol. Not gonna lose a wink over it bro.
Originally posted by syntax42You shouldn't have to install a new copy of Windows. Call Microsoft and use their over-the-phone registration system.
^ ^ This
I know some people will tell you to buy a new copy of windows with a new PC. But you dont have too for sure. A quick phone call will get it activated.
Hell I even have my same copy of windows 7 running on two computers both validated by microsoft phone support. Same key used and it is an oem copy.
I do believe in supporting the company. But I am not going to go buy a new $100 OS at every turn. I will not use a pirated OS nor do I recommend one to anybody either.
The way I see it if M$ will validate it then its legit. If they were that concerned about it then validating it over the phone with M$ would not work.
Technically, that is a pirated OS - MS validated it under false pretenses made by you. Even if they had no validation at all - their license still states what it states, and if you violate it your in the wrong legally - no matter what the software allows you to do.
Yes, you can probably get away with it. No, the black helicopters probably won't swoop in and sue you.
That doesn't make it any less illegal (immoral or moral maybe as well, but that's a different discussion).
Case in point - I ~could~ drive 110MPH in a school zone and do donuts in the playground lawn. The flimsy chain link fence doesn't really stop me from doing it, so I should be allowed to. If they really didn't want me do drive so fast, my car would stop going faster once it hit the speed limit, and if they wanted to keep me out of the playground, they would install tire shredders or a concrete wall or something. Because I can do it makes it perfectly valid and ok.
Doesn't really hold up...
That being said - I don't necessarily agree with the MS licensing model. I think it's intentionally obtuse, convoluted, and there are much better and simpler ways to license software and still preserve a profit margin. But to that end, I don't recommend that people go out and do something illegal to promote that agenda. I certainly don't encourage them to do so and fail to mention the legality of it.
If you know the rules, and choose to violate them, I won't really look down on you (and in my heart of hearts, I agree with you), but at least realize what you are doing before you do it, because ignorance is not a valid defense.
The actual rules:
~If~ you have a retail copy of Windows (and those are rare, they are very expensive) - those licenses will transfer. ~If~ you have an OEM copy (the vast majority are) - those licences are tied to the computer with which they were sold - and MS defines the "Computer" as the motherboard. You cannot replace the motherboard to upgrade, but you are allowed to repair a failed motherboard (with a like model, or if that model is no longer in production, what is considered the modern equivalent by the manufacturer). ~If~ you have an Upgrade edition (a lot of people do) - then the rules go from whatever edition (Retail or OEM) that you originally upgraded from. It's not too atypical to see and upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade and it stems back to a root Windows 98 license.
There was a weird Vista clause, where if you a retail copy of Vista you were only allowed to transfer it once, and if you applied an Upgrade edition to said copy of Vista, being that the Upgrade gets it's rules from the base edition, then your upgrade would only transfer once as well - lots of people revolted against that, and it was rescinded with Win7.
There's also wierd virtualization clauses, but those don't apply to physical hardware running the OS.
This is what is buried in that EULA that most everyone clicks Accept on.
Yeah I know what ya mean And I do understand what I am doing. I have bought plenty of OS from M$ over the years. Not to mention 2 xbox 360's ( both which went balls up) , many many games, products, ect.
Not that it makes it right legally or morally. But in this case I just really dont give a shit to be honest. If I get an extra install on an OS I paid for then oh friggin well lol. Not gonna lose a wink over it bro.
I did exact same thing installed it on my second rig.
I bought win '98-xp-vista 2 versions-win7 2versions. Now i got my ultimate 64bit version win7 on 2 rigs installed MS up yours i dont care:P
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^ ^ This
I know some people will tell you to buy a new copy of windows with a new PC. But you dont have too for sure. A quick phone call will get it activated.
Hell I even have my same copy of windows 7 running on two computers both validated by microsoft phone support. Same key used and it is an oem copy.
I do believe in supporting the company. But I am not going to go buy a new $100 OS at every turn. I will not use a pirated OS nor do I recommend one to anybody either.
The way I see it if M$ will validate it then its legit. If they were that concerned about it then validating it over the phone with M$ would not work.
Technically, that is a pirated OS - MS validated it under false pretenses made by you. Even if they had no validation at all - their license still states what it states, and if you violate it your in the wrong legally - no matter what the software allows you to do.
Yes, you can probably get away with it. No, the black helicopters probably won't swoop in and sue you.
That doesn't make it any less illegal (immoral or moral maybe as well, but that's a different discussion).
Case in point - I ~could~ drive 110MPH in a school zone and do donuts in the playground lawn. The flimsy chain link fence doesn't really stop me from doing it, so I should be allowed to. If they really didn't want me do drive so fast, my car would stop going faster once it hit the speed limit, and if they wanted to keep me out of the playground, they would install tire shredders or a concrete wall or something. Because I can do it makes it perfectly valid and ok.
Doesn't really hold up...
That being said - I don't necessarily agree with the MS licensing model. I think it's intentionally obtuse, convoluted, and there are much better and simpler ways to license software and still preserve a profit margin. But to that end, I don't recommend that people go out and do something illegal to promote that agenda. I certainly don't encourage them to do so and fail to mention the legality of it.
If you know the rules, and choose to violate them, I won't really look down on you (and in my heart of hearts, I agree with you), but at least realize what you are doing before you do it, because ignorance is not a valid defense.
The actual rules:
~If~ you have a retail copy of Windows (and those are rare, they are very expensive) - those licenses will transfer.
~If~ you have an OEM copy (the vast majority are) - those licences are tied to the computer with which they were sold - and MS defines the "Computer" as the motherboard. You cannot replace the motherboard to upgrade, but you are allowed to repair a failed motherboard (with a like model, or if that model is no longer in production, what is considered the modern equivalent by the manufacturer).
~If~ you have an Upgrade edition (a lot of people do) - then the rules go from whatever edition (Retail or OEM) that you originally upgraded from. It's not too atypical to see and upgrade of an upgrade of an upgrade and it stems back to a root Windows 98 license.
There was a weird Vista clause, where if you a retail copy of Vista you were only allowed to transfer it once, and if you applied an Upgrade edition to said copy of Vista, being that the Upgrade gets it's rules from the base edition, then your upgrade would only transfer once as well - lots of people revolted against that, and it was rescinded with Win7.
There's also wierd virtualization clauses, but those don't apply to physical hardware running the OS.
This is what is buried in that EULA that most everyone clicks Accept on.
Under the repair clause - if the motherboard replacement occurred because of a fault, not because your trying to upgrade - and this was the motherboard replacement you were sent - then you should be able to transfer your license.
As long as you stick to that story at any rate. I would say 20% of the time when you call the 1-800 activation number, you get kicked to a live person and they ask questions like this to check if your serial number really is valid. I've had to call that number many, many times over the course of many PC rebuilds.
Yeah I know what ya mean
And I do understand what I am doing. I have bought plenty of OS from M$ over the years. Not to mention 2 xbox 360's ( both which went balls up) , many many games, products, ect.
Not that it makes it right legally or morally. But in this case I just really dont give a shit to be honest. If I get an extra install on an OS I paid for then oh friggin well lol. Not gonna lose a wink over it bro.
I did exact same thing installed it on my second rig.
I bought win '98-xp-vista 2 versions-win7 2versions. Now i got my ultimate 64bit version win7 on 2 rigs installed MS up yours i dont care:P