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SWTOR had the best combat of any MMO since WoW.
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It's not rude to say that SWTOR sucks, you just perceive it as rude because you personalize it.
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Doubt he's referring to people saying the game sucks, rather people (lol'ing) the OP for stating an opinion. I'm sure you already knew that though....
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Good call, but I wanted to clarify that criticism doesn't need to be a team sport.
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GW2 and Neverwinter have worst and most simplistic combat ever seen in mmorpg. Any of people i know uninstalled both games after few days because of this simplicity. On top of that lack of almost every mmorpg concept in gw2 and useless pvp ruined desire for this game even for most hardcore gw2 fans , the one that attacked SWTOR all day long for months.
The Combat/AI systems are among the worst i have ever played and the SOLE reason i quit the game.
I found the rest of the game to be not to bad,i even played every class on both good and evil sides just to try and find one class that had some good combat.
I am going to post one example to show what good combat is.This is just one mob a small example.
I FFXI there is a bird called Colibri.
You want a Piercing weapon,preferably a BOW to fight them because the birds are weak to piercing attacks.HUGE difference in combat dmg using bow versus these birds.Then these same birds will steal your food,so if you decide to use food you better not take hate or the bird will steal it.
I decided to post another example.Crabs in FFXI are strong to melee and have a special ability that increases their defense to melee.SO you prefer to have a Black Mage so you can nuke it with magic.Also if you can setup a DISTORTION Renkai and Magic burst you will get good added damage on top of that.
This was just two examples,with far more depth than any fight in SWTOR and these were just two ordinary mobs.
There is no action and reaction fighting in SWTOR it is simply hit your hotbar icon dmg until the mob dies.In FFX Ifor example the mob tosses up Stroneskin you might want to cast a spell to remove it or if a mob has a dangerous TP attack you might not want to feed it alot of TP or if a mob uses a strong attack if anyone stands behind it,then you don't want to stand behind it.SO many more ideas than that reside inside the game,that is what is called DEPTH of game design,SWTOR does not have it,especially not in combat.
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FFXIV AAR is the worst combat experience I ever had besides Rift , it feels so slow and I fell asleep very fast
SW:TOR feels more fluid to me.
I think hate was a bit strong , i just don't use tab at all in SWTOR , I have combos of buttons using xpadder 32 skills for me and 8 for a companion , I also use the right thumb stick for the mouse cursor movement and back and start buttons for left and right mouse buttons. It just makes playing the game more like an action combat game , you could say like a beat 'em up. Granted it gets a little bit hectic in Operations 8 man and 16 man as a healer or tank , but that's cool.
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Wushu combat is so damned easy its a joke. Its not possible for it to be complicated given the paper rock scissors system and slow speed/animations. (former rank 1 crafter and top 5 tangmen before i quit)
I think the best combat systems I have played with on either end of the spectrum were EQ2 and Tera
One of SW:TOR's prized features was the whole orchestrated combat. Lightsaber 1 swings > lightsaber 2 blocks. This looks great against mobs during dailies or leveling up. The sacrifice is the length of the global cooldown to support the animation.
Unfortunately you don't see it much in PvP, since it's all about special abilities and less about autoattack as a filler (the ability that enforces the choreographed combat).
It is what it is. Even if you see less of it in PvP, the combat in this game is still very fun. Now if only there wasn't restrictions on weapon usage. (Still wishing that my Guardian could wield double-bladed lightsaber.) =(
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OFC. Every thread that says "wow is better then xxxxxxx" has a 99% probability that it is a troll.
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I forgot I even posted this, I must have been drunk or something as when I get drunk I get all nostalgic about MMOs and how the last one I played that I liked was in 2005. People forget WoW used to be a great MMO, it got a lot right, it was really the first to get so much right, feel so polished and was the first MMO for the mass gamer audience. It's what Blizzard turned it into that people slag off today, they don't remember the good days when it was a challenge and was a great almost seamless world.
One thing I thought Blizzard got right was the classes and combat, they are still the best today. When the game launched alongside EQ2, all I thought was how bland and all alike EQ2s classes were and how clunky the combat was. You had so many MMOs offer like 40 classes and then WoW offered 8 or 9 (I cannot remember) and less turned out to be more. WoW's classes felt so unique to each other, they also could play so many roles like I loved how a Priest could do damage as well like the Shadow Priest, before that was always a class choice, in WoW it was a spec choice.
SWTOR didn't get the classes right, I think the system was horribly bland and too clear cut on good/evil. I would rather have 8/9 neutral classes and then you choose which side you want to fight for in the game, you'd be able to defect too. However SWTOR got the combat amazingly right (apart from the delay issue) and I just loved how long fights could go on for and how much skill went into it.
Sadly though I thought 1.2 ruined it and they've gone for a more fast paced option.
exactly,,Theres absolutely no way, that wow can have so many players
all the devs know that too,,weve NEVER seen anyone trying to copy wow
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Funny I think both Neverwinter followed by GW2 as having the best combat in the industry. Just shows different stokes for different folks. I loathe tab target skill-less combat that relies on a Random Number Generator to determine +hit and +Defense.
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Choreographed (orchestrated) combat is a huge strength with SWTOR. It's cool on a 1 vs 1, if you can find an area that allows PVP, with 2 willing participants. In a warzone setting, this seems natural and looks nice, when there aren't too many others around - otherwise the graphics engine craps out and you get more stutters than gameplay.
It would have been really awesome in a world PVP setting, .. but since this game's engine was so plagued with issues, that even the developers acknowledged at the last GDC (even sponsered again by EA) it was the huge issue during development, SWTOR didn't really gain much traction.
Choreographed combat - Cool concept .. Very poor implementation, EA style.
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I often hear people use WoW Vanilla as a benchmark of sorts, obviously didn't play on launch. Game was far from complete and bugs everywhere. Combat was ok if you like clicky auto target kid type stuff I suppose, the open pvp made it fun though not the combat system.
i joined wow at the end of Vanilla, and open PVP was almost dead by then
simply because of the ganksquads
instead of meeting a single enemy of similar level, you would meet 3 enemies , all at 10+ levels more, than you
"get friends, and team up"...we did
but even a full Group of lvl 20+ cant take Down 3 lvl 30+
and having some max level friends guard us , while we level? how user friendly is that?
soon after, i rerolled on a PVE server
so..instead of ganking me, now they can only gank my questgivers
That you apparently have no idea that the roll mechanism while taking cover can be turned off in the options menu, is pretty ridiculous.
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Actually I liked Wow vanilla exactly because a bunch of low levels COULD engage and take out a few higher/high levels. That ended with the first expansion and the max level raid/wz gear sets but I remember lots of fights in Redridge and Duskwood and some in Southshore where the high levels in their blues and rare purples got stomped hard by lower, even much lower level defenders. Bear in mind things like sap and sheep lasted 30 seconds + in those days (which was dumb) and was undefendable (also dumb) so level 10s could take max levels out of a fight for a long time if they knew what they were doing. And the warzone junkies and hardcore raiders were much more rare or nonexistant. Even long after the warzones were introduced I remember explaining to groups of people how the pvp trinket worked (on a pvp server). Most players were much less informed than the average player is now; the average player in those days (many of us) did not notice all of the flaws that we call horribly daft gamebreaking oversights nowadays. That's just how it is.
a bunch vs. a few,,is that balanced PVP?
yes, you could get a few kills in those battles, but that stopped, when they FIXED THE GAME
and it didnt exactly help the lonely leveller, when meeting a ganksquad in the levelling process, did it?
the essence of your post is: i liked PVP, when it was broken, and against newbie opponents