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Asteroid spawning basically favors Europeans :/
Salio69
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Any other miners in north america feel the same? Seems the spawn system for asteroids heavily favors Europeans. It was bad before, now its just crazy. With the nerf to ice in Odyssey, all those giant "one man" fleets are eating up all the best roids all over the place. By the time I get home to play, all thats left over is veldspar. I've been moving around to different places and its the same crap over and over again. I wish CCP would finally change this retarded system that benefits one group of players and tells another group to go screw themselves.
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I think I used a mining laser once for a mission the day I started playing so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
But I always figured that most of the worthwhile asteroids, in high sec at least, were being mined by bots. Regardless of when they reset I doubt your main competition would be human players.
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The only way CCP could change it would to set the downtime to 12pm CST, which would be 20:00 CET.
This is not going to happen I'm afraid, as the current dowtime affects players around the world the least.
They moved ice spawning to be independent of the servers going down everyday. Why wouldn't the same be possible for regular ore?
Why? EVE is a European MMO. Why shouldn't they favor Europeans? (I am North American btw). Roids spawn after DT and DT is set so the Devs can do it during their business hours.
But you do have a good idea. Randomized Spawns of the Roids. It would change things up a bit and some of the Spawns would end up favoring Western Hemisphere Players. Eventually everyone world wide could say they benefited at some time or another.
The real problem though is the same problem I have complained about for years with EVE... Multiboxing. I played EVE for years and I honestly don't think New Eden was made for Players multiboxing whole Mining Fleets. Not enough Roids Sapwn for that sort of thing. That is something that CCP can't fix easily, and to be honest no Dev can right now with how Internet works... and even though some of us Players see Multiboxing as a problem I doubt CCP does. For every Player like me that they lost through the years (due to being upset about Multiboxing) CCP gained at least 0.5 Players that had 5 times more Accounts created and paid for.
So +1 to Random Spawns of Roids just like Ice, and good luck avoiding the hungry appetite of the Multiboxers gobbling up the Roids.
For years, I've read post upon post complaining about the giant fleets of bots stripping the belts in EVE. These were supposedly owned by asian RMT gangs...
Obviously, that conspiracy theory was wrong.
It's actually giant fleets of european players, not bots !
Of course this is the correct theory, because due to the ravages of the financial crisis, most european gamers are now unemployed in RL. This gives them both:
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Brilliant !
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The asteroids in low sec are very rarely touched.
I always wondered why more corps didn't try to lock down a dead end low sec system or two and mine until they're heart is content. The one corp I knew who did it *claimed* it very very profitable. Make a deal with the local pirates to sell them ammo or drones at a discount price and they'll probably be happy to set you to blue.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
So can I ask, whats changed?
No more horseshoe shaped roid belts?
Or are you talking Ice only?
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Its simple. Its harder to lock a system down and then mine it.
Or maybe to put it another way. Every ship mining or hauling is a non-combat ship. And since you cant bubble low sec. You'd have to have enough people at a gate to insta pop someone coming outta cloak to align. And for every ship you have hauling or mining...see the problem.
As to why not pay pirates? Is the low sec pirate corp going to provide protection? All it takes is one well fitted battleship, or even T3 cruiser, to fuck a ten person mining op.
And the pirates would still make more money popping the barges and indys than they'd save by buying discounted parts.
On a side note and somewhat off topic. Low sec is just handled very poorly by CCP.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Give me liberty or give me lasers
CCP set the downtime to suit the sever management team, which is based in London. You will not see a US-centric downtime.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
It's definitely not an easy task but it can be done. You can't and won't catch every passer-by, that's a given. But since you'll have eyes in nearby systems it will give the mining operation plenty of time to safe up. There are some deserted parts of low sec that rarely see traffic.
I wasn't really suggesting paying a local pirate corp for protection. Just operating for mutual benefit. It's nice to have an industrial sister corp.
As per the last part, I'll take it a step further and say low sec isn't handled at all. It's the area that CCP forgot. It needs something that sets it apart. Drug production was always my suggestion. The gangland / mafia / cartel theme would suit it quite well.
There are certain queer times and occasions in this strange mixed affair we call life when a man takes this whole universe for a vast practical joke, though the wit thereof he but dimly discerns, and more than suspects that the joke is at nobody's expense but his own.
-- Herman Melville
Yup and when you get home, guess what? You have nice juicy roids waiting for you and plenty of time to mine it all out before the north americans arrive. You're missing the point, this isnt about down time. This is about balancing the belt spawns to be independent of down time. The same way Ice belts are now independent.
Again I will ask, you are talking about high sec or everywhere? They really won't care about balancing things in high sec, they'll just tell you to mine in the wilder regions of EVE (and where they probably think everyone should be)
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This is in high sec. I've gone several times down to null sec and really cant stand the player base. Comms is filled with racists terms and i'm a minority. "We got that n*****" "kill that j**" "popped that b*****". Only so much of this crap i could take before i left null sec. Its like call of duty in space. I don't put the blame on ccp for that, thats entirely player created but its a part of "content" i'd rather not be around. Im done with null sec for good.
The concept of "go down to lowsec" is also bad. Its like giving a 70% damage buff and 70% resist buff to europeans and telling anyone else who want to pvp to go do something else. In the end, it still doesnt solve the big imbalance. There was talk of ccp wanting to change the belts from many small ones to two large belts per system. This doesnt do anything to solve the problem. All it would do is create two large belts of veldspar for north american industrialists mine.
Dude, that's not true at all. Not everyone there is an idiot. I mean, I AM indeed an idiot, but I know plenty of nice people living there with me :P
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So, Mal, will they ever balance the spawns like Ice? That even on the table or even been mentioned?
Not that I care cause lolrox, but still - the roid spawn mechanic, even as a non-indy person, has never made a lick of sense to me.
Somewhat this. Many moons ago, like in 2005 when I first started in EvE. My very first corp was based in Amarr space and we closed a dead end system with x2 .4 systems. Back then, I didn't know shite from shineola, so I thought mining was the key to making lots of money...hahaha. Anyway...we ran a pretty damn lucrative mining/producing ammo setup for a few merc corps.
Wormholes were pretty new when I was leaving EvE, but apparently they are damn profitable. Most money I ever made from anything close to minerals in EvE was when they first opened drone space, the loot was all refineable ore. I must have killed 10000 drone ships one summer. I made enough to refine for a carrier of my own and still contributed to the corp.
Good times.
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Trying to setup a large scale op in lowsec will likely have every pvp (not to mention the griefer corps) out after them relentlessly once word gets out. No matter what CCP does it will never justify the move to low-sec. The people who want the good stuff are already out in .0 or wormhole space. Either option is a hell of a lot safer than low or high-sec and vastly better profit margins even counting losses. Well, most of the time.
CCP didn't really forgot about anything. You can't force people out of high-sec if they don't want to leave. Start forcing players to play your way and it can end up badly. What can they do to low-sec to justify moving there instead of going straight to .0 or a wormhole? Not much. They would have to nerf the hell out of .0, wormholes, as well as high-sec. Short of creating some sort of item or mineral that is in extremely high demand which can't be obtained anywhere else, what can they do? I don't think there's anything they could do at this point other than that.
People ignore the fact that a lot of high-sec characters are taking a break from other parts. It's usually the number one response I see when people are chatting away in whatever channel. "Taking a break from the .0 drama." Taking a break from the meta game , corp drama." Not in those words exactly but the gist of it is them saying they are taking a break from whatever and doing their own thing."
"By the time I get home to play" I think I see the problem. If you haven't completely reorganized your life around EVE how do ever expect to have success?
Seriously, though, I think mining has much bigger problems than the ones you mention. It's just not a good way to make ISK, and unless you are part of a large mining operation, one that 's also involved in trading and manufacturing, it's never going to be worth the time spent.
Even if you had the best spawn time, and could always mine the best high sec has to offer, I think you would still have plenty to complain about. If you're a "one man" operation, it's just not a viable activity. I would suggest missions and low sec exploration.
Of course, you could set up a wormhole pos and mine there, but, like I said, you will still have plenty to complain about.
Try reading the opening post. Theres nothing wrong with Europeans. My wife is European.