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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
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    Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385

    Also, quantum computing will blow any processor we have out of the water.  And it will be better for storage than those particles.

     

    Tech news is neat, but discovery of something is at least ten years away from factory production.

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499

    Couldn't you have picked something a little closer to the launch of commercial products?

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20130808234225_Crossbar_Startup_Develops_1TB_Resistive_RAM_Technology.html

    Or phase change memory or something else entirely perhaps.  It's really just a question of which new products can be ready for commercial production before something else makes them obsolete.

  • rommellorommello Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 185
    not gonna happen any year soon since retailers still have to get rid of the trash they rip us off with

    hallo ~_~

  • QuizzicalQuizzical Member LegendaryPosts: 25,499
    Originally posted by Torvaldr
    Originally posted by Quizzical

    Couldn't you have picked something a little closer to the launch of commercial products?

    http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20130808234225_Crossbar_Startup_Develops_1TB_Resistive_RAM_Technology.html

    Or phase change memory or something else entirely perhaps.  It's really just a question of which new products can be ready for commercial production before something else makes them obsolete.

    This is the sort of thing that is really exciting to me.  What needs to happen to put this into mass production in an affordable manner? Are there barriers?

    While I'm not privy to the details, if there weren't any barriers, it would already be in commercial production.  They might need a process node that doesn't yet exist.  Maybe if they tried to produce it, nearly all of the chips would be defective.  Maybe it's not reliable enough: NAND flash needs to work right at least 99.9999999999999% of the time to be used in SSDs; take a few 9's off of that and you'd have a product so unreliable as to be useless for long-term storage.  Maybe they could produce it but it would be expensive enough that no one would buy it.

    There is an enormous number of engineering challenges to be overcome before bringing a new chip to market, even for routine things like moving DDR3 production to a new process node.  Try something radically different and you only add to the challenges.  And you have to overcome every single technical obstacle in order to have a working product, and even then, it's far from guaranteed that you can produce it cheaply enough to be commercially viable.

  • syntax42syntax42 Member UncommonPosts: 1,385
    About ten years ago, HD-DVDs were competing against Blu-Rays for market dominance.  At the same time, someone was developing an optical disk which could have potentially hundreds of layers using the same standard disk size.  This would have meant mutli-TB DVDs would have been a reality, but the articles about the technology have disappeared from the web.  I'm guessing it probably lost funding because it was not seen as financially viable to compete with Blu-Ray and Sony.
  • RidelynnRidelynn Member EpicPosts: 7,383

    Originally posted by syntax42
    About ten years ago, HD-DVDs were competing against Blu-Rays for market dominance.  At the same time, someone was developing an optical disk which could have potentially hundreds of layers using the same standard disk size.  This would have meant mutli-TB DVDs would have been a reality, but the articles about the technology have disappeared from the web.  I'm guessing it probably lost funding because it was not seen as financially viable to compete with Blu-Ray and Sony.

    Nope, it's still around in a few different incarnations. It's just none of them have been ready for market yet. I've seen recent (last couple of months) news stories for 300GB discs, 1T discs, and even 1P discs all "just around the corner".

    Problem is, they are optical. How often does the optical drive in your computer get used now? Did Blu-Ray actually "catch on"? I'm sure they will have some niche uses, but it isn't like the 1990's when CD's were the dominate form of distribution media.

  • DatawarlockDatawarlock Member Posts: 338

    Remember holographic discs and drives? Of course not, they were known only to the grittiest of tech reporting sites, they were produced, and then they disappeared. 

    Not to mention the fact that things we 'hear' about have been in production for years before the general public knows anything about them. Solid state? 1985 technology created by IBM and reported in an issue of Popular Mechanics.... then disappeared for what.... 20 years? lol

  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 3,030

    In 10 years your all-powerful gaming pc will fit into a chip smaller than your pinky nail.

     

    We all know this. No surprises here.

    You stay sassy!

  • TheLizardbonesTheLizardbones Member CommonPosts: 10,910

    Originally posted by Quizzical
    Originally posted by Torvaldr Originally posted by Quizzical Couldn't you have picked something a little closer to the launch of commercial products? http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/display/20130808234225_Crossbar_Startup_Develops_1TB_Resistive_RAM_Technology.html Or phase change memory or something else entirely perhaps.  It's really just a question of which new products can be ready for commercial production before something else makes them obsolete.
    This is the sort of thing that is really exciting to me.  What needs to happen to put this into mass production in an affordable manner? Are there barriers?
    While I'm not privy to the details, if there weren't any barriers, it would already be in commercial production.  They might need a process node that doesn't yet exist.  Maybe if they tried to produce it, nearly all of the chips would be defective.  Maybe it's not reliable enough: NAND flash needs to work right at least 99.9999999999999% of the time to be used in SSDs; take a few 9's off of that and you'd have a product so unreliable as to be useless for long-term storage.  Maybe they could produce it but it would be expensive enough that no one would buy it.

    There is an enormous number of engineering challenges to be overcome before bringing a new chip to market, even for routine things like moving DDR3 production to a new process node.  Try something radically different and you only add to the challenges.  And you have to overcome every single technical obstacle in order to have a working product, and even then, it's far from guaranteed that you can produce it cheaply enough to be commercially viable.



    ReRAM can be manufactured with existing technologies and materials, but they would still need to retool their manufacturing processes. NAND is getting ready to go 3D, which gives it enough of a boost in performance and storage that switching to ReRAM isn't financially worth it yet. They are estimating 2016 before ReRAM gets to the market. Unless something changes with 3DNAND making it even more efficient or faster.

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