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We are tired of casual, single player action MMO
fefedobson
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Casuals never stick with games and are gamehoppers.
Stop catering to them.
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But they are the ones who pay, not you.
Amen. All these new games made by the marketing departments to maximize short term revenue over long term gameplay. If GW2 was not horrible enough now we have its successor GW2.5 otherwise known as EQNext with no trinity, no leveling no endgame, simplistic LAS GW2 weapon/class skill system and likely no difficulty whatsoever. Another solo game with a few zerg mobs made to order for the hype machine to take as much money from the game hoppers before they quit and move on to hyping the next game they will throw away their money on.
They may pay but they don't play. They are short termers. Here today gone tomorrow and the real players are left playing and paying for the mess their demands have left the game in.
I'm not a casual gamer and I have been game hopping for years now because it's been awhile since any MMO has been worthy of holding my attention fro longer than 6 months.
But keep using sweeping generalizations it's great exercise!!!
You know OP i would say you are very correct in that analogy.I have noticed the game hopping all along the way.I have seen the same number that Wow has lost and seems to coincide with the same numbers that hit every new game that comes out.Then they leave and that same number hits the next new game.
This is what Wow did to this market,they created a lock on the players because none were willing to leave after spending years building all those players up.It takes a lot of time to really make players soooooo bored they are finally willing to try other games.
However when they find out other games are almost identical,they run back to Wow for a few months until the next new game comes out,rinse and repeat.Eventually they will just completely tire of Wow and stick with another game,but it takes time.
What is worse is it shows how stagnant the MMORPG genre really is,there does not seem to be many new players joining in,if anything more are leaving for Facebook and social games.Farmville was just retarded,that game and all of it's sub versions had more gamer's than all of the MMORPG genre and it was 1/100th the quality.
Reason is simple and it all points back to the casual topic.It is really tough to get enough players to stick around spending lots of hours a day and for a long haul.Many just like to chat with other people,interact for an hour in Farmville and go on to chatting and sending Facebook messages or Twitter or Skype.
When you think about it MMORPG at it's hardcore design "FFXI" is a VERY time consuming prospect almost like a second job.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So? They spend more money than you.
In fact, devs don't need players to stick to one game to make money. SP games are proof of that.
Except single player games don't usually manage massive servers and keep a pretty good sized team on after the game is released to keep adding content.
D3 does.
SC2 does.
CoD (some version) does.
Battlefield 3 does.
There are more players playing D3 and SC2 than most MMOs, and they probably use more server resources than most MMOs.
And you can always sell the new content as DLC or expansion.
+1. game hoppers fo' life
then you're a casual
Really? I consider myself a Casual player and have played many MMO's , I am not a big raider and don't find PvP fun , I am more the Journey type of player
WOW - Since release 2 accounts 16 max level characters - Just canceled my accounts only 2 weeks ago but I will be abck next expansion
EQ2 and EQ1 both game from start with blocks of 2-3 years play , I still have a EQ2 account that has 6 months left on it
Asherons call - while I stopped playing along time ago I did play it for years
The only MMO's I jump from one to another on are FTP ones like my current 3 I play from time to time SWTOR , Neverwinter and Rift
the only reason MMO's still Exist is Casual Players
Casuals are people with lives and money, who only need quick entertainment so they don't distract from their productive lives. The average "hardcore" gamer is generally, according to statistics, depressed, low income, overweight and have a need for escapism.
Who has more value?
im a casual and i play as many games as i can enjoy when i have the time. I dont stick to one game, i dont play hardcore in any game.
WIth that said, i dont want hand holding games. I like difficult games. If you ask me, mmos should learn mechanics, difficulty, death penalties, combat, etc, from Dark Souls and mix them with a good old fantasy mmo Lore and massive open worlds.
I dont care about PvP unless its open world and high level gankers cant grief low level players while doing PvE. And i want my PvE challenging, no hand holding, a bit harsh, and not focused on solo gameplay or heavy trinity which makes any game more casual than i could ever be.
For a casual player i cant ask for more than this.
i've always been a semi-hardcore/hardcore player, but man thats pretty big elitism their. Just so you know the amount of hardcore players is massively out numbered by the amount of casual players to mid range players. They need to make a profit off their games and they won't off catering only to hardcore players, not everyone has time to have a second job.
That comment backs you into a sort of hilarious conflict of logic.
If hardcore players are defined as having no interest in switching games, then either your thread is pointless (because you're hardcore, and therefore have no interest in switching games) or you're casual (because you want a game to be made which suits your tastes, so you can game-hop to it.)
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theres something funny here. In other posts ive seen Subscribers say that freebies are poor basement dwellers. In here you say that Hardcore gamers are depressed low income overweight that needs escapism. So the hardcore and the poor basement dwellers are the same?... yupp, most likely. tsk tsk tsk.
I dont know when im going to die, so im not wasting all my spare time in one single game and missing out all the good things other companies can offer. Same applies to other life situations.
For me, it's not really logical to lump freebies or subscribers into the basement dweller stigma. Both freebies or subscribers can however be put into the categories of casual or hardcore IMO. I personally would say hardcore fits the basement dweller stereotype rather than freebie. In fact, some of the wealthiest and most successful people I know who play online games casually, think it's silly to put any money into a game meant for quick entertainment. *shrugs*
You had another thread where your looking for another mmo. So basically your hopping from the last mmo you played. So if your hardcore why arent you sticking with whatever mmo you liked last instead of coming here and looking for another mmo?
same here, but with both comments flooding these forums a lot i had to bring them together.
Posting in a hardcore/casual war throwback thread. For those of your who missed it, the h/c war lasted for years as a recurring forum goodie, that peaked in ~2003-06 more or less...but it's still being (rarely) trolled up to this very moment.
Perhaps the op felt nostalgic, for whatever reason? The goode olden dayes of forum pvp.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Actually, the short-term players are the ones that the developers love, they don't cause waves, they pay their fair share in P2P games, they don't tie up customer service, they don't sit around and bitch and whine about the game. It's the hardcore players that developers hate because they tend to be the biggest assholes in game.
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