Applying earth's timeline to what is modern or not really isn't even logical... they have gnomes that in EQ1/2 have made various technological items... that could easily be considered "more advanced" than black powder weapons.
Do I want firearms? mm I'm not really sure.. I lean towards no to be honest.
Ninja on the other hand its just the name that bothers me. Ninja is tied to one very specific region of this planet ... as opposed to Assassin which is a term broadly used. This could be some form of Advanced class (since there are 40 or so) along the Rogue line... but I wouldn't want it named Ninja..
To be 100% honest I've been almost a fanboi for this game and I'm not in general a large SOE supporter. This poll today really pissed me off... They had SOE Live early by their choice.. months early... To announce a game and talk about during that debut how new information would be coming out and they even went on and on about how it wouldn't be here or there (they were specific like every week or even every day) blah blah blah
They even announced that Landmark would be out this year which has to mean before Xmas since who wants a new product out during a double holiday (xmas/new years) ... and they have had no large scale load testing on that or any of the build systems under a mass stress test...
There was absolutely no reason to move SOE Live up (months) if they were not ready to start beta testing landmark within days of the debut.. just no reason at all. Their launch window for land mark is just around 4 months (16 or so weeks) and no beta testing at all so far... with all these new tools they are making...
and instead of having people (doesn't have to be me.. that's not what I'm irritated about) testing... they are having these brainless questions under the guise of a round table.. should female dwarves have beards? well durr that's an actual question? make it an option and who cares... player choose. Should we have ninja's ?
I got a round table question.. why did you move up soe live if this is all you have? You could have had it at its normal time and maybe even had something to actually reveal....
If they launch landmark this year and don't start beta testing within a few weeks or less.. they are just going to have a big mess and the nasty pr that goes with it...
/end rant
and yes I am ranting but to me right now what SOE is doing just defies logic ... especially for a company trying to win over (or win back) customers...
Agreed on no "Ninja". There are so many other ways to convey that type of class in a fantasy setting.
Shadow Walker Mistblade Deathstalker etc.
As far as guns I hope they are crystal/magic or steam based rather than powder. 2cp
That's one of the most reasonable suggestions; guns that are imbued with magical ammunition. Steam works as well because of the Gnomes, but even then I would like to see the propellant be steam while the round was more of a magic fire ball or poison dart etc.
Originally posted by tkreep Arent rogues and assassins already "ninjas"? I mean ninja is just japanese for assassin.
I think that they are not the same. In the fantasy settings ninja have magic powers like: invisibility, illusions, blink etc. Howether with the EQN class system you ll be probably able to create a ninja just mixing the skills of some classes without the need to introduce the specific class.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it" -Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
I think EQN will have regions and some places with Asian mythology influences like in AoC. If you look at the poster art, the orc looks like a Mongolian/Chinese warrior with green skin. Which is why I think they are asking about ninja class. I'm all for variety of atmosphere in a mmorpg world as long as it makes sense they way they are set up. I find it dull when everything is always based around northern European myths.
1.I do not hate the use of pistols and riffles that are being used in gw2. However, I prefer them not to be used.
2.Ninja makes me think assassin/rogue/thief type. Could be a variation of a classic rogue with maybe some cool leaps, walking on water, and chinese stars that could be have dots (bleeds, poisons). To me its just a variation of above. I do not know if a ninja is fitting since (from what read) only date back (at the earliest) to the 12th century.
Personally I agree with you for the most part. I wouldnt care much if they put guns of some type in EQN, they could treat it as some kinda early black powder musket or something. But I would rather they didnt, if they do however it will not be game breaking to me.
As far as Ninja, I would love it. I would love for them to get away from the every damn game in the world rogue. A ninja could add aspects to the rogue type that would be quite silly on a rogue but would fit right in with ninja. when you say rogue, I think a theif that will lie cheat and steal from you and tries to stay in the shadows because he is weaker and does this back stab thing. When you say Ninja, I think a wicked badass assassin that IS the shadows can murder you from any direction because his strikes are so precise that he can hit vital organs and find chinks in any armor as easily as you cry hax.
And just a note Xanthmetis ninjas wouldnt use chinese stars because Ninja are Japanese. /wink
True they are Japanese. I was more or less just me stating that these would a nice weapon choice or even a utility type thing for an assassin/thief/rogue type. You sir, know your history and as a fellow nerd thank you for the bit of information
How bad would black powder weapons really be? I mean did they not have cannons on the ships in EQ 1? What about the gnome and dwarves tinkering? Shoot gnomes made fireworks in EQ 1. I admit each gun would have to be taken into consideration so it fits the EQ lore and experience. And the lore in the books on Everquest next website never stated anything about guns. So if it cannot fit the lore then it should not be in the game. Breaking immersion breaks my gameplay.
As for ninjas, well I wouldn't be hurt by it. Maybe called something with different lore. To me It would just be a monk/rogue class mix type.
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Of course the lore on the website only has one book so far. And that was from the previous age of the Dal. Which (Im estimating) is about 500-600 years between then and the age of heroes that EQ next is present in.
You would think normal human beings and other sentient creatures without power and physical advantage surrounded by people that can throw fireballs and oversized savage monsters would be trying to develop technology and weapons beyond blades and bow and arrows to oppose all of that.
Well, Guns and Ninjas go well with disney characters and the style they're going for with the game. Which i hate, but if that's the style you're going with, might as well include guns, ninjas, pandas and goofy.
Also, since when are ninjas a "modern concept"? Ninjas just as medieval as Knights and Wizards.
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Welcome to the world of MMO's looks like they are taking a shift in direction not sure a popular one guess we will have to wait and see...I am interested. I want a Tank with a big 120mm bore!
Seems to me that the devs might consider guns as a powerful enough weapon as to "destroy" things. Such as the destructible enviroment they are implementing for the game. I can't see us using a bow and arrow or sword to do that.
OHHH but Everquest NEVER had guns and Ninjas *whine whine*. Oh yes? But it never had VOXELs or Action Combat or no levels or sandbox. It's called CHANGE. Things do that ya know. Sheesh.
Do games really have to be set in stone like the tablets of the 10 commandments?
Guns are cool.
Ninjas are cool.
So MORE guns and Ninjas I say!
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Applying earth's timeline to what is modern or not really isn't even logical... they have gnomes that in EQ1/2 have made various technological items... that could easily be considered "more advanced" than black powder weapons.
Do I want firearms? mm I'm not really sure.. I lean towards no to be honest.
Ninja on the other hand its just the name that bothers me. Ninja is tied to one very specific region of this planet ... as opposed to Assassin which is a term broadly used. This could be some form of Advanced class (since there are 40 or so) along the Rogue line... but I wouldn't want it named Ninja..
To be 100% honest I've been almost a fanboi for this game and I'm not in general a large SOE supporter. This poll today really pissed me off... They had SOE Live early by their choice.. months early... To announce a game and talk about during that debut how new information would be coming out and they even went on and on about how it wouldn't be here or there (they were specific like every week or even every day) blah blah blah
They even announced that Landmark would be out this year which has to mean before Xmas since who wants a new product out during a double holiday (xmas/new years) ... and they have had no large scale load testing on that or any of the build systems under a mass stress test...
There was absolutely no reason to move SOE Live up (months) if they were not ready to start beta testing landmark within days of the debut.. just no reason at all. Their launch window for land mark is just around 4 months (16 or so weeks) and no beta testing at all so far... with all these new tools they are making...
and instead of having people (doesn't have to be me.. that's not what I'm irritated about) testing... they are having these brainless questions under the guise of a round table.. should female dwarves have beards? well durr that's an actual question? make it an option and who cares... player choose. Should we have ninja's ?
I got a round table question.. why did you move up soe live if this is all you have? You could have had it at its normal time and maybe even had something to actually reveal....
If they launch landmark this year and don't start beta testing within a few weeks or less.. they are just going to have a big mess and the nasty pr that goes with it...
/end rant
and yes I am ranting but to me right now what SOE is doing just defies logic ... especially for a company trying to win over (or win back) customers...
That's one of the most reasonable suggestions; guns that are imbued with magical ammunition. Steam works as well because of the Gnomes, but even then I would like to see the propellant be steam while the round was more of a magic fire ball or poison dart etc.
I think that they are not the same. In the fantasy settings ninja have magic powers like: invisibility, illusions, blink etc. Howether with the EQN class system you ll be probably able to create a ninja just mixing the skills of some classes without the need to introduce the specific class.
"Brute force not work? It because you not use enought of it"
-Karg, Ogryn Bone'ead.
I said no to guns, but yes to ninjas.
Take a monk and give him stealth. You now have a ninja.
Both EQs already had ninja like armor. My EQ2 beastlord is currently wearing a ninja like outfit. Gnome ninja FTW!
Sine I am pretty sure there will be pirate NPCs since they show up in every game, then we need ninjas to fight them.
lol. Ok can we get all of the EQ fans over her in this line. Yes, this one here in front of the guy kicking people in the nuts. Ok great thanks guys.
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True they are Japanese. I was more or less just me stating that these would a nice weapon choice or even a utility type thing for an assassin/thief/rogue type. You sir, know your history and as a fellow nerd thank you for the bit of information
How bad would black powder weapons really be? I mean did they not have cannons on the ships in EQ 1? What about the gnome and dwarves tinkering? Shoot gnomes made fireworks in EQ 1. I admit each gun would have to be taken into consideration so it fits the EQ lore and experience. And the lore in the books on Everquest next website never stated anything about guns. So if it cannot fit the lore then it should not be in the game. Breaking immersion breaks my gameplay.
As for ninjas, well I wouldn't be hurt by it. Maybe called something with different lore. To me It would just be a monk/rogue class mix type.
[Edit]
Of course the lore on the website only has one book so far. And that was from the previous age of the Dal. Which (Im estimating) is about 500-600 years between then and the age of heroes that EQ next is present in.
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I would freaking love a pirate class haha.
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I cannot answer the question because I cannot accept the graphics/art direction for the game.
How can anyone answer the question when a portrait of the world...setting ..lore etc haven't been described.
Well, Guns and Ninjas go well with disney characters and the style they're going for with the game. Which i hate, but if that's the style you're going with, might as well include guns, ninjas, pandas and goofy.
Also, since when are ninjas a "modern concept"? Ninjas just as medieval as Knights and Wizards.
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That sounds great to me. Just don't call them Ninjas or look like Ninjas. As for the guns that makes total sense.
Not that I am for ninjas or anything, but why do people keep complaining about pandas?
Are there not animal based races in Norrath ?
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No, they've already confirmed that the game will have no need for tanks. 8D
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- Raph Koster
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WHY is everyone so damn conservative?!
OHHH but Everquest NEVER had guns and Ninjas *whine whine*. Oh yes? But it never had VOXELs or Action Combat or no levels or sandbox. It's called CHANGE. Things do that ya know. Sheesh.
Do games really have to be set in stone like the tablets of the 10 commandments?
Guns are cool.
Ninjas are cool.
So MORE guns and Ninjas I say!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
IMO I think instead of the "Ninja" they should instead go for more of a more stealth based/climbing archer.
Something like you'd think of Robin Hood and his group.
Climbing and hiding in tree tops, waiting for people to pass by, using traps, being quiet and stealthy, using camo and the environments.
For guns, I think they could fit, but NOT "Modern" ones. Something more like early Wheellock guns (they came into use in 1500 or so.