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guascoguasco Member UncommonPosts: 68
in Final Fantasy XIV

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYkH8g614gA

1:38  XD

 

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  • ZadawnZadawn Member UncommonPosts: 670
     the bow video


  • Rommie10-284Rommie10-284 Member UncommonPosts: 265
    If you are looking for a potential FOTM - the boss likes ranged DPS image

    Avatars are people too

  • ZenTaoYingYangZenTaoYingYang Member Posts: 354
    this will be a very good video for people who wants to check game play videos
  • shadowmonkeshadowmonke Member Posts: 48
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age

     

    Different culture.

     

    While I'm sure this was just to make a passing joke and not meant to be serious, we all need to reminded (based on what I've seen lately from multiple posts) that the world does not revolve around where an individual lives; even if they lived in your own backyard, many cultured individuals adopt styles from around the world.  Some societies even view wearing a suit and tie as pretentious and just playing dress up.

     

    This applies to games as well.  Some people are dead set against violence and even nudity (or controversial topics... which are usually controversial because of the human's inability to accept change and apply their own cultural beliefs to an instance) in games, though that's usually a byproduct of where they grew up.  Many view the body as a natural and beautiful thing; the context of something is usually more important than the cover of the book (such as one being dead set against sexuality in games, even if there is lore and context to support such).  Yet even today when an idea is presented that goes against a single cultural convention people are like "WTF" or "No thanks" just because of social standards they cannot bypass.  Judgments are passed and we never grow as a community or a culture.

     

    I mean, do we really want ten more years of nothing but CoD clones / mobas and not partake in -- what we may perceive to be -- bizzare workings of other cultures?  There are a lot of Japanese RPGs (and many other type of games that may be even "weirder") that never make it here because of Western beliefs overshadowing logic and reason.

     

    :3

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • shadowmonkeshadowmonke Member Posts: 48
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age

     

    Different culture.

     

    While I'm sure this was just to make a passing joke and not meant to be serious, we all need to reminded (based on what I've seen lately from multiple posts) that the world does not revolve around where an individual lives; even if they lived in your own backyard, many cultured individuals adopt styles from around the world.  Some societies even view wearing a suit and tie as pretentious and just playing dress up.

     

    This applies to games as well.  Some people are dead set against violence and even nudity (or controversial topics... which are usually controversial because of the human's inability to accept change and apply their own cultural beliefs to an instance) in games, though that's usually a byproduct of where they grew up.  Many view the body as a natural and beautiful thing; the context of something is usually more important than the cover of the book (such as one being dead set against sexuality in games, even if there is lore and context to support such).  Yet even today when an idea is presented that goes against a single cultural convention people are like "WTF" or "No thanks" just because of social standards they cannot bypass.  Judgments are passed and we never grow as a community or a culture.

     

    I mean, do we really want ten more years of nothing but CoD clones / mobas and not partake in -- what we may perceive to be -- bizzare workings of other cultures?  There are a lot of Japanese RPGs (and many other type of games that may be even "weirder") that never make it here because of Western beliefs overshadowing logic and reason.

     

    :3

    I don't see it that way at all. I've been to Japan and I don't think it has anything to do with culture; I'm pretty sure the reality is that their marketing or makeup department or somebody did their hair that way to appeal to a younger audience, since they look like they're on the verge of death and nobody cares about what dying old men have to say about a game

     

    which, I think, is quite sad

  • koboldfodderkoboldfodder Member UncommonPosts: 447

    No way.  That is not how Japanese culture works.  They are not told to have a haircut like that.  They generally just know it from their work environment.  One thing you do not want to do is bring shame to your employer.  So if they were in a conservative job setting they would be wearing suits and ties and be looking like bankers, and they would not have to be told to do that as well. 

    Video gaming in Japan is massive, and the boy band craze in Japan is still massive and yes those hair cuts are still quite popular in Japan even as that generation gets older.

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age

     

    Different culture.

     

    While I'm sure this was just to make a passing joke and not meant to be serious, we all need to reminded (based on what I've seen lately from multiple posts) that the world does not revolve around where an individual lives; even if they lived in your own backyard, many cultured individuals adopt styles from around the world.  Some societies even view wearing a suit and tie as pretentious and just playing dress up.

     

    This applies to games as well.  Some people are dead set against violence and even nudity (or controversial topics... which are usually controversial because of the human's inability to accept change and apply their own cultural beliefs to an instance) in games, though that's usually a byproduct of where they grew up.  Many view the body as a natural and beautiful thing; the context of something is usually more important than the cover of the book (such as one being dead set against sexuality in games, even if there is lore and context to support such).  Yet even today when an idea is presented that goes against a single cultural convention people are like "WTF" or "No thanks" just because of social standards they cannot bypass.  Judgments are passed and we never grow as a community or a culture.

     

    I mean, do we really want ten more years of nothing but CoD clones / mobas and not partake in -- what we may perceive to be -- bizzare workings of other cultures?  There are a lot of Japanese RPGs (and many other type of games that may be even "weirder") that never make it here because of Western beliefs overshadowing logic and reason.

     

    :3

    I don't see it that way at all. I've been to Japan and I don't think it has anything to do with culture; I'm pretty sure the reality is that their marketing or makeup department or somebody did their hair that way to appeal to a younger audience, since they look like they're on the verge of death and nobody cares about what dying old men have to say about a game

     

    which, I think, is quite sad

     

    Who knows for sure?  You may be correct in that assertion.  Though they've pretty much had the same haircuts for the past few years as a whole.

     

    Japan is a great place to visit and may seem very strange at first (well, even if one spends a few months there) if you lived in other parts of the world.  Those stories such as vendors selling panties and the like are actually true; dying hair and having unique haircuts is seen all over the place.  There are some interesting garments as well that one could peruse if they had the desire.

     

    I'd have to brush up on my Japanese before I contemplate going there again.  In the last live letter I actually had to look at translations to make sure I got everything right.

     

    :/

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by koboldfodder

    No way.  That is not how Japanese culture works.  They are not told to have a haircut like that.  They generally just know it from their work environment.  One thing you do not want to do is bring shame to your employer.  So if they were in a conservative job setting they would be wearing suits and ties and be looking like bankers, and they would not have to be told to do that as well. 

    Video gaming in Japan is massive, and the boy band craze in Japan is still massive and yes those hair cuts are still quite popular in Japan even as that generation gets older.

     

    Not sure who this was addressed to, though when I spoke of culture I was speaking universally and not specifically when I said that "some cultures" view suits as pretentious.

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • vandal5627vandal5627 Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age

     

    Different culture.

     

    While I'm sure this was just to make a passing joke and not meant to be serious, we all need to reminded (based on what I've seen lately from multiple posts) that the world does not revolve around where an individual lives; even if they lived in your own backyard, many cultured individuals adopt styles from around the world.  Some societies even view wearing a suit and tie as pretentious and just playing dress up.

     

    This applies to games as well.  Some people are dead set against violence and even nudity (or controversial topics... which are usually controversial because of the human's inability to accept change and apply their own cultural beliefs to an instance) in games, though that's usually a byproduct of where they grew up.  Many view the body as a natural and beautiful thing; the context of something is usually more important than the cover of the book (such as one being dead set against sexuality in games, even if there is lore and context to support such).  Yet even today when an idea is presented that goes against a single cultural convention people are like "WTF" or "No thanks" just because of social standards they cannot bypass.  Judgments are passed and we never grow as a community or a culture.

     

    I mean, do we really want ten more years of nothing but CoD clones / mobas and not partake in -- what we may perceive to be -- bizzare workings of other cultures?  There are a lot of Japanese RPGs (and many other type of games that may be even "weirder") that never make it here because of Western beliefs overshadowing logic and reason.

     

    :3

    I have to say, you make some great posts, always calm and collected and full of information.  Much props to you bro.

  • ElRenmazuoElRenmazuo Member RarePosts: 5,361
    Japan is the best you can get beer and newports from the vending machines
  • NagelRitterNagelRitter Member Posts: 607

    I think their hair looks just fine.

    Now, what am I supposed to be looking at in this thread?

    Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
    Currently playing: GW2, EVE
    Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by NagelRitter

    I think their hair looks just fine.

    Now, what am I supposed to be looking at in this thread?

     

    I think there was a party or something.  Might go out and bring some pizza in case it's pot luck.

     

    ...What?  Party play?  Group mechanics?   Oh... OHHH.

     

    Still going to get pizza.

     

    :3

     

    Originally posted by vandal5627
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk
    Originally posted by shadowmonke
    i wonder if they feel ridiculous having those haircuts at that age

     

    Different culture.

     

    While I'm sure this was just to make a passing joke and not meant to be serious, we all need to reminded (based on what I've seen lately from multiple posts) that the world does not revolve around where an individual lives; even if they lived in your own backyard, many cultured individuals adopt styles from around the world.  Some societies even view wearing a suit and tie as pretentious and just playing dress up.

     

    This applies to games as well.  Some people are dead set against violence and even nudity (or controversial topics... which are usually controversial because of the human's inability to accept change and apply their own cultural beliefs to an instance) in games, though that's usually a byproduct of where they grew up.  Many view the body as a natural and beautiful thing; the context of something is usually more important than the cover of the book (such as one being dead set against sexuality in games, even if there is lore and context to support such).  Yet even today when an idea is presented that goes against a single cultural convention people are like "WTF" or "No thanks" just because of social standards they cannot bypass.  Judgments are passed and we never grow as a community or a culture.

     

    I mean, do we really want ten more years of nothing but CoD clones / mobas and not partake in -- what we may perceive to be -- bizzare workings of other cultures?  There are a lot of Japanese RPGs (and many other type of games that may be even "weirder") that never make it here because of Western beliefs overshadowing logic and reason.

     

    :3

    I have to say, you make some great posts, always calm and collected and full of information.  Much props to you bro.

     

    Thank you kindly.  I'm not quite sure how to respond to that without tooting my own horn, so to speak.  But I suppose quoting Socrates in that "I only know that I know nothing" is appropriate here.  When letting go of social convention and upbringing one is more open to new experiences and culture.  When realizing there is always something to learn, one is open to knowledge.  Indeed, the more you learn about a subject, the more questions arise and the more you realize that you know virtually nothing about said topic.  It also casts aside the so called "ego" of knowledge, as you state your research with the hope of being proven wrong (as opposed to trying to assert oneself by thinking their experience and personal interests are absolute) so that you may learn something new.

     

    Though It's hard to take that to heart at times, and to defer to the wisdom of others who a proven experts.  It's easy to say the above, but takes years to actually live by it (human nature is a powerful opponent).  Though that is not to say that you shouldn't fight tooth and nail with what you believe.  If you do your research, it should only take a very convincing argument to the contrary to make you re-evaluate (though rethinking and comparing new information is almost always good as it keeps you on your toes).  But some do make the mistake of thinking personal experience equals hard fought research (including yours truly at times).

     

    :)

     

     

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • bexinhbexinh Member UncommonPosts: 69
    So instead of giving comments about the game we are critzing Japanese Culture now? This topic should be closed. We got no right to say about other ppl culture end the story.
  • guascoguasco Member UncommonPosts: 68

    Thank you for posting this nice video!

     

    easymode

     

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  • DarkVergilDarkVergil Member Posts: 73
    The guy to the left looks like a 50 year old virgin.
  • NagelRitterNagelRitter Member Posts: 607
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk

    I think there was a party or something.  Might go out and bring some pizza in case it's pot luck.

    ...What?  Party play?  Group mechanics?   Oh... OHHH.

    Still going to get pizza

    And? Are party mechanics something new and unusual or something?

    The OP referred to 1:38 and I see nothing interesting at 1:38.

    Originally posted by Br3akingDawn
    Originally posted by DarkVergil
    The guy to the left looks like a 50 year old virgin.

    Who? Toshio? haha.. his probably 30-40.

    The guy on the left is Yoshi P and he is, in fact, 40. I kinda doubt he's a virgin, though...

    Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
    Currently playing: GW2, EVE
    Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by NagelRitter
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk

    I think there was a party or something.  Might go out and bring some pizza in case it's pot luck.

    ...What?  Party play?  Group mechanics?   Oh... OHHH.

    Still going to get pizza

    And? Are party mechanics something new and unusual or something?

    The OP referred to 1:38 and I see nothing interesting at 1:38.

    Originally posted by Br3akingDawn
    Originally posted by DarkVergil
    The guy to the left looks like a 50 year old virgin.

    Who? Toshio? haha.. his probably 30-40.

    The guy on the left is Yoshi P and he is, in fact, 40. I kinda doubt he's a virgin, though...

     

    I honestly thought it was pretty clear that he was making a statement of reality versus ideal notions pertaining to the community as it is in a modern MMORPG world.

     

    It was evident to me that he was most likely laughing at the whole "Make sure to say hello" followed by "If you're new, say so and people will treat you nice and understand if you make mistakes" and how it seems to be the opposite in a lot of games.  The video was very clearly made for those new to MMOs, as Yoshi-P has mentioned several times if one were to follow his writings.  Therefore to try and instill the notion of "politeness" and "good community", the video goes against what most in the Western MMORPG market expect when being placed in a PUG environment (whether it is from experience with LoL, WoW or another game).

     

    To be honest, all he (the OP) did was post a time so it was up the read to decipher the meaning and just expect there to be something new.  It would improve my understanding of what you meant if you could provide some context that would lead one to believe he implied there was something new other than just noting the above with a laughing emoticon (or "XD").  Most people I know would expect to see something funny or ironic rather than informative under these conditions.

     

     

     

     

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by bexinh
    So instead of giving comments about the game we are critzing Japanese Culture now? This topic should be closed. We got no right to say about other ppl culture end the story.

     

    I don't think he was insulting anyone.  It was just a misunderstanding of sorts.  That is, if the intent was not to insult a culture, then I don't think it should be taken as such.  Many do not understand things like cultural boundaries (not claiming anyone here does, but as a matter of fact), and will just act upon what they do know.  Some times we just have to let bygones be bygones and live and let live, oft like those who preach different cultures and beliefs ask others to do.

     

    Though as a whole, the discussion is still on the OP's post and pertains to the video.  It just may not be something that you may agree with for whatever reason.  But I reiterate in thinking it's just a misunderstanding rather than a bash of any sorts.

     

    :3

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
  • NagelRitterNagelRitter Member Posts: 607
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk

    I honestly thought it was pretty clear that he was making a statement of reality versus ideal notions pertaining to the community as it is in a modern MMORPG world.

    To be honest, all he (the OP) did was post a time so it was up the read to decipher the meaning and just expect there to be something new.   Most people I know would expect to see something funny or ironic rather than informative under these conditions.

    I'm not sure why you have to keep reinforcing that it's clear to you. How is that relevant? It wasn't clear to me, and that was my only point. Saying that it's clear to you and writing a treatease on it just sounds patronizing. Some people grab onto complex stuff far better than simple stuff, and simple stuff is not worth our attention.

    And the reason it wasn't clear to me, assuming you are correct, is because this just didn't register for me as significant enough. I guess I don't find that whole reality vs ideal issue very funny or interesting (maybe depressing, if anything, I'd prefer if MMO communities were better). I thought they were referring to some dungeon mechanics or whatever. The Japanese everywhere doesn't help. The next posterss comment "the bow video" and "If you are looking for a potential FOTM - the boss likes ranged DPS image" utterly confused me.

    Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
    Currently playing: GW2, EVE
    Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094
    Originally posted by NagelRitter
    Originally posted by Yaevindusk

    I honestly thought it was pretty clear that he was making a statement of reality versus ideal notions pertaining to the community as it is in a modern MMORPG world.

    To be honest, all he (the OP) did was post a time so it was up the read to decipher the meaning and just expect there to be something new.   Most people I know would expect to see something funny or ironic rather than informative under these conditions.

    I'm not sure why you have to keep reinforcing that it's clear to you. How is that relevant? It wasn't clear to me, and that was my only point. Saying that it's clear to you and writing a treatease on it just sounds patronizing. Some people grab onto complex stuff far better than simple stuff, and simple stuff is not worth our attention.

    And the reason it wasn't clear to me, assuming you are correct, is because this just didn't register for me as significant enough. I guess I don't find that whole reality vs ideal issue very funny or interesting (maybe depressing, if anything, I'd prefer if MMO communities were better). I thought they were referring to some dungeon mechanics or whatever. The Japanese everywhere doesn't help. The next posterss comment "the bow video" and "If you are looking for a potential FOTM - the boss likes ranged DPS image" utterly confused me.

     

    Thanks for bringing up the issue of my err in articulation.  I agree that some of the writing was superfluous and could be eliminated from the post.

     

    I guess when looking at all the responses it makes sense, especially if one reads these forums often.  Many keep looking for something "new" irregardless of the topic at hand or if something is intended as an explanation for new players.  This is true for both hater and fan alike, as there are even posts on the beta forums of speculation and people taking screenshots to dissect each new video that comes out.

     

    There was one the other night that "caught" the different colors of armors and altogether different items from the video released yesterday.  Square is also known for hiding things for people to speculate on.  So it does make sense when considering all the above and not just the content provided by the OP and his/her intent.

     

     

    To facilitate your suggestion, I rewrote the post for my own benefit (practice):

     

    I honestly thought he was making a statement of reality versus the ideal notions developers would like to have pertaining to the community as it is in a modern MMORPG world.

    It may be that he was referring to the whole "Make sure to say hello" followed by "If you're new, say so and people will treat you nice and understand if you make mistakes" and how it seems to be the opposite in a lot of games.  The video was made for those new to MMOs, as Yoshi-P has mentioned several times if one were to follow his writings.  Therefore to try and instill the notion of "politeness" and "good community", the video goes against what most in the Western MMORPG market expect when being placed in a PUG environment (whether it is from experience with LoL, WoW or another game).

    In truth, all he (the OP) did was post a time so it was up the read to decipher the meaning and just expect there to be something new.  It would improve my understanding of what you meant if you could provide some context that would lead one to believe he implied there was something new other than just noting the above with a laughing emoticon (or "XD").

    Due to frequent travel in my youth, English isn't something I consider my primary language (and thus I obtained quirky ways of writing).  German and French were always easier for me despite my family being U.S. citizens for over a century.  Spanish I learned as a requirement in school, Japanese and Korean I acquired for my youthful desire of anime and gaming (and also work now).  I only debate in English to help me work with it (and limit things).  In addition, I'm not smart enough to remain fluent in everything and typically need exposure to get in the groove of things again if I haven't heard it in a while.  If you understand Mandarin, I know a little, but it has actually been a challenge and could use some help.

    Also, I thoroughly enjoy debates and have accounts on over a dozen sites for this.  If you wish to engage in such, please put effort in a post and provide sources -- I will then do the same with what I already wrote (if I didn't) as well as with my responses to your own.  Expanding my information on a subject makes my stance either change or strengthen the next time I speak of it or write a thesis.  Allow me to thank you sincerely for your time.
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