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ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

First let me say I love these games, been playing MMOs since UO in 97 and I feel out of sorts if I am not playing one. Sad is it not?

 

I have tried them all. Right now I am between games after leaving my WoW guild, and trying EQII, the MAtrix Online, and Guild Wars. I am waiting for LoTRO, but until then I need something to keep the fires burning.

 

EQII was too big, and the graphics too "white bread" for me. I found leveling a chore, and the the distance you had to cover in most quests to be too far for a guy with a family and a lot of draws on his time. Matrix requires you to have a group to do most anything, and it is basically just a "get generic mission, run mission... get mission again" grind. Minus the story content it is not very interesting. Though I LOVED the graphics and the setting.

 

Here is my question about Lineage II...

 

DOES it have solo content that would enable you to get on and just play without having to "LFG" or sit around all day?

DOES it offer interesting a varied quests with some semblance of plot to them?

DOES it have a decent player base?

DOES the open attack system on players result in lots of mindless player killing or is there more properly motivated player vs player content?

What are the penalties for death? I HATE games that take away experience. I understand death needs to mean SOMETHING but wasted effort should not be what it is about. I find exp loss to be a weak tool to accomplish what game companies are trying to do.

 

Anyway if anyone can field any o these questions it would be appreciated.

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  • Cuj0Cuj0 Member Posts: 81



    Originally posted by Thornwolf

    First let me say I love these games, been playing MMOs since UO in 97 and I feel out of sorts if I am not playing one. Sad is it not?
    I have tried them all. Right now I am between games after leaving my WoW guild, and trying EQII, the MAtrix Online, and Guild Wars. I am waiting for LoTRO, but until then I need something to keep the fires burning.
    EQII was too big, and the graphics too "white bread" for me. I found leveling a chore, and the the distance you had to cover in most quests to be too far for a guy with a family and a lot of draws on his time. Matrix requires you to have a group to do most anything, and it is basically just a "get generic mission, run mission... get mission again" grind. Minus the story content it is not very interesting. Though I LOVED the graphics and the setting.
    Here is my question about Lineage II...
    DOES it have solo content that would enable you to get on and just play without having to "LFG" or sit around all day?
    DOES it offer interesting a varied quests with some semblance of plot to them?
    DOES it have a decent player base?
    DOES the open attack system on players result in lots of mindless player killing or is there more properly motivated player vs player content?
    What are the penalties for death? I HATE games that take away experience. I understand death needs to mean SOMETHING but wasted effort should not be what it is about. I find exp loss to be a weak tool to accomplish what game companies are trying to do.
    Anyway if anyone can field any o these questions it would be appreciated.



    You want solo forever ? With no downtime, no sit, etc.. ? You have to do a Summoner, or at least, a Nuker.

    Quests are not the principal aspect of L2.

    What you mean with 'player base' ?

    L2 it's a PvP game. You can find ppl that GRIEF low lvls. You can find ppl that love to pvp casually. You can find PKs. You can find inter-server drama that will take you in a sweet pvp. If you don't like PvP, just don't play this game, IMHO.

    You don't like to lose xp at death ? So, I assume that you don't want to play L2 as a PvP game ? So, just don't play. 7% xp loss before 40 - 4% after. There are blessedress that restore 100% or normal ress skills that can restore also high %. If you do PvP, u'll die many times. If you care about your xp too much, u'll quit the game in no time. If you want play L2 as a PvE game, you can, but at my advise, that will just be a little boring to you, i think.

    image

    ..hax..

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581



    Originally posted by Thornwolf

    First let me say I love these games, been playing MMOs since UO in 97 and I feel out of sorts if I am not playing one. Sad is it not?
     
    I have tried them all. Right now I am between games after leaving my WoW guild, and trying EQII, the MAtrix Online, and Guild Wars. I am waiting for LoTRO, but until then I need something to keep the fires burning.
     
    EQII was too big, and the graphics too "white bread" for me. I found leveling a chore, and the the distance you had to cover in most quests to be too far for a guy with a family and a lot of draws on his time. Matrix requires you to have a group to do most anything, and it is basically just a "get generic mission, run mission... get mission again" grind. Minus the story content it is not very interesting. Though I LOVED the graphics and the setting.
     
    Here is my question about Lineage II...
     
    DOES it have solo content that would enable you to get on and just play without having to "LFG" or sit around all day?
    DOES it offer interesting a varied quests with some semblance of plot to them?
    DOES it have a decent player base?
    DOES the open attack system on players result in lots of mindless player killing or is there more properly motivated player vs player content?
    What are the penalties for death? I HATE games that take away experience. I understand death needs to mean SOMETHING but wasted effort should not be what it is about. I find exp loss to be a weak tool to accomplish what game companies are trying to do.
     
    Anyway if anyone can field any o these questions it would be appreciated.



    If you wanna solo you either have to go a Summoner class, (Elemental Summoner recommend if you like AoE) or Necromancer, Spellhowler the only ones that can solo well...

    There is quests, i just completet 2 quests in Elven Village yesterday at lvl 27 and got 65230 adena :)..
    but im not sure what you mean, aldo they is Repeateble Quests and 1 Time Quests

    Yes latly servers have really gotten a lot off new players

    If your unlucky, yes then you can get killede i died 2 times do to a PK´s (with my lvl 27 toon), but 1 off em i got the player back, with some friends image so know im on a KOS list, lol

    All the way up to lvl 51 you lose 8% experince pr death, after lvl 52 you lose 4%, inside Castle Sieges you only lose 1% experince pr death... aldo you dont have to worry Bishops, and Elven Elders get really High Rez% if i remember right a High Lvl Bishop can Rez up to 95% out off the 8% experince you lose when your under lvl 52...

    But on Death you can also drop a item inside invetory or armor/jewels your wearing, not your weapon... but it happens rarly and most players will give the stuff you drop back to you...
    For Chatoich Characters (Red Players), they have a much higher chance off dropping they stuff, and can drop they weapon to...

  • ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

    No I like PVP, and I like open PVP it was one of the things about UO that made it so much fun. Since an MMO is a game without an ending, you need to have some reason to keep playing. Most MMORPGs use the "gather gear" method to keep you playing as a primary. I find that less appealing. In PVP games you have a sense of community, where players will band together to help each other, and you play under the threat of being killed.

    I DO hate exp loss though, and I always will. Again it is a poor tool to "punish" you for death. I would rather lose money or items. I never want to "go backwards" if I spend time to accomplish something I do not want to lose what I have invested time in doing, People with tons of free time might not mind as much, but for me personally time is tight.

    Can you lose levels as well? So if I am playing and I am killed and lose all my EXP for a level will I revert from say 20 to 19?

    By player base I mean the community around the game. I was trying to get a sense of the people, if they were friendly and helpful or standoffish and elite types.

    Any "role-playing" servers official or otherwise?

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905



    Originally posted by Thornwolf

    First let me say I love these games, been playing MMOs since UO in 97 and I feel out of sorts if I am not playing one. Sad is it not?
    I hear yaimage
    I have tried them all. Right now I am between games after leaving my WoW guild, and trying EQII, the MAtrix Online, and Guild Wars. I am waiting for LoTRO, but until then I need something to keep the fires burning.
     
    EQII was too big, and the graphics too "white bread" for me. I found leveling a chore, and the the distance you had to cover in most quests to be too far for a guy with a family and a lot of draws on his time. Matrix requires you to have a group to do most anything, and it is basically just a "get generic mission, run mission... get mission again" grind. Minus the story content it is not very interesting. Though I LOVED the graphics and the setting.
    Primary problem I found with EQ2 (beside the dull world) was there was no compelling reason to grind in the first place other then to get a higher number. It has a good vs evil plot but no mechanic at all.
    Here is my question about Lineage II...
     
    DOES it have solo content that would enable you to get on and just play without having to "LFG" or sit around all day?
    Yes, you can solo, not sure about higher levels - 40+).
    DOES it offer interesting a varied quests with some semblance of plot to them?
    No, the plot / story is in the community and the guilds as they compete for control of the castles. Quest are just xp / money kill task.
    DOES it have a decent player base?
    Yes, like any game it has nice people and not so nice people. Personally I have had no problems with the community.
    DOES the open attack system on players result in lots of mindless player killing or is there more properly motivated player vs player content?
    No. There is a mechanic to control this random killing.
    see this link http://lineage2.stratics.com/content/features/pvp/ 
    What are the penalties for death? I HATE games that take away experience. I understand death needs to mean SOMETHING but wasted effort should not be what it is about. I find exp loss to be a weak tool to accomplish what game companies are trying to do.
    Xp lose and sometimes item drop. You can "de-level". However you only loose like 5 - 10% xp on death (not sure, I never noted it)
    Anyway if anyone can field any o these questions it would be appreciated.
    All in all its a good game. I play casually and have no problems. there are elements or risk and danger all the time. You absolutely need to get into a guild. (start looking at about lvl 20) The economy is pretty tough, the grinding is also very rough. The game has a bad reputation for bots and farmers. Personally I find more farmers in WoW. This game takes a bit of patience and determination. If you don't like the risk of the PvP or Xp lose, I would stay away. IMHO its one of the better games out there.
    Good hunting


  • ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

    Hey thanks much for the response I think you got to all my concerns.

    Still might be a fun way to kill time until LOTRO comes out though.

    Is there a strong RP community on any of the servers at all?

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581


    Originally posted by Thornwolf
    Hey thanks much for the response I think you got to all my concerns.Still might be a fun way to kill time until LOTRO comes out though.Is there a strong RP community on any of the servers at all?

    im not sure witch server has a good RP community, but i suggest you find some, info about each server...
    the player cominutys, on each server are different, oh and if your looking for RP you shoulden´t join Kain...

  • Cuj0Cuj0 Member Posts: 81



    Originally posted by Thornwolf
    I DO hate exp loss though, and I always will. Again it is a poor tool to "punish" you for death. I would rather lose money or items. I never want to "go backwards" if I spend time to accomplish something I do not want to lose what I have invested time in doing, People with tons of free time might not mind as much, but for me personally time is tight.



    You prefer to lose your money/items ?

    Trust me, in Lineage2 ' YOU [b]DON'T[/b] WANT ' lose your money/items instead of your exp, lol.

    ..hax..

  • ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

    Well since I was only ever in beta with this game it is hard for me to know, as I have not seen the live economy. As a rule though it is easy to sit somewhere and hunt for cash in most games. It is even fun at times, because you can pick a place to go and hunt in relative safety in an out of the way lower than your level area and just kill. You can do this while exploring, and doing other things and you do not usually need to be hyper focused on what’s going on.

    Hunting for experience generally means higher risk, as the mobs who will be giving you experience are closer to your level and thus pose a greater risk.

    How is travel in this game?

    In UO you had runes and you could recall anywhere you wanted (later they restricted dungeons and such) in other games you have classes who can cast travel spells; you have Hearthstones in WoW, portals and the like.

    Are there similar mechanisms to get around in LII? Or are you restricted to boats and the like?

  • Cuj0Cuj0 Member Posts: 81

    Just pay and you can port everywhere.

    Or lvl an hatchling, do the quest to change it in a strider, and use it :)

    ..hax..

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    yep you can port to any city in the game for a adena fee, the fee will go up a lot for visting the higher lvl Citys

    as cujo said :) yere you can get a hatcling to ride on who are fast or. you can buy 1 for around 25million adena ::::35::

    they are dungons Necropolish, Catacombs where most partys will go to party at low lvls... thoes can only be teleportet to each second week... else you have to walk to em
    http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/sevensigns.html here ++ info all you need to know about the dungons

  • ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

    Well my wife picked up the game for me this morning, since she could tell I was frustrated without being in an MMO I liked. How sweet is that?

    So any suggestions for a new player?

    Thanks for all the feedback guys, always appreciate it.

  • LhexLhex Member UncommonPosts: 262

    Well, from reading your post I feel you will dislike L2.  The leveling can be a grind, there are very few quests worth doing in your mid higher lvls, its just not a questing type game. 

    It is a PVE grindfest with item based PVP.

    This isnt really the game where you can log on for 30 min and feel you accomplished something.  Considering the lvl 40 job quest which you will have to do to become your final class; will take about 3 days to complete, thats playing several hours each day and even longer for summoners.

    My advice if your going to play is find a group of friends FAST, and get Ventrillo or Teamspeak.  The game is hard, hard, hard, for solo players, just not the leveling aspect but the money aspect.  Gaining enough money for anything is almost impossible for complete noobies who dont have friends or a clan.

    But I still love L2 and play all the time.

    I play on the Devianne Server, name is Astonish.

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  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581


    Originally posted by Thornwolf
    Well my wife picked up the game for me this morning, since she could tell I was frustrated without being in an MMO I liked. How sweet is that?So any suggestions for a new player?Thanks for all the feedback guys, always appreciate it.

    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm/load/forums/loadforum/496/loadthread/59544/setstart/1/loadclass/170
    :) long post ::::35::

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976

    There are scrolls that can carry you to the closeest town.

    If I were you I would try it but quite frankly I don't believe you will like it. At least the chance to drop items if you die, xp loss, heavy grind etc.

    Heck... I don't like some of thsoe things but yet here I play... level 68 Spellhowler (which can solo very well).

    Open pvp... anyone can kill anyone anywhere except cities... noob towns are a bit light since the game has been out but it is a very alive game.

    leveling a hatchling to strider can be hard and time consuming.

    I suggest you go to the main forums and check them out www.lineage2.com

    S

    Oh.. Lionna has the official roleplayer moniker. And quests are no "the" thing in L2... they go from mildly fun to absolutely horrible.

    Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb." 

    Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w


    Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547

    Try the "Special Edition." 'Cause it's "Special." https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64878/?tab=description

    Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo 
  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    yes its time to move on from MMORPG.com now that you are playing.

    I suggest the following links for the best info

    http://www.lineage2.com/

    http://l2.allakhazam.com/ 

    http://l2vault.ign.com/

    there are many more.

    Make sure you are using all of your "noobie benefits" like the equipment exchange, the noobie buffs from the guide. Look up all the repeatable quest for extra money. Keep on the lookout for like minded people. My server has many really nice people (TEON) but I am unfamiliar with the rest.

    Most importantly, watch your backimage

    oh, one other thing...have your wife make a female Dark Elf. When  you find the game frustrating, have her log on and dance for youimage That should improve moral.image

     

  • MmoSwanMmoSwan Member Posts: 134

    Also check L2Orphus.com and L2Blah.com for server related forums.

    Swan

    || Languages for gamers: http://gamerslingo.com
    /where God
    ERROR: Target could not be found
    /target Believer
    /skill science
    You missed your target since Believer ignores science
    /skill logic
    You missed your target since Believer traded all his INT for faith.

  • ThornwolfThornwolf Member Posts: 107

    Thanks all, I am in on the Devianne Server as Thornwolf right now. An orc not sure how I feel about him, but more manly looking than the elves and humans ;)

  • MythagoMythago Member Posts: 23

    I'm also interested in this game, the grind might put me off though.

    Can someone please clarify the open PvP?  Are all players & races able to PvP on a whim ala UO?  Or are some races allied and stick to thier starting areas?

    I got bored of WoW, due to the low penalty for death and being forced to group for instances, but L2 seems interesting in that to stay alive you will need to group in the end.

    If I only play for a couple of hours each day is it likely that will I get frustrated or will the long term slow leveling keep my interest -?

    I'm looking for a game to get my teeth into and as a casual gamer I hate seeing everyone hit lvl 60 in a month etc while I am slowly plodding on at my own speed, so the slow leveling sounds good in that respect or is it likely that I'll just get left behind as usual?

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905

    Open PvP in L2 means anyone at any time can smack you in head. I never player UO so not sure on that. What balances it is a Karma system. If you kill someone you gain Karma. Once you have so much karma you go "chaotic". Once that happens town guards will kill you and other players can kill you and NOT gain any Karma PLUS you have the extra "bonus" of dropping an itemimage (bonus to the person who kills youimage)

    As far as the "casual" thing, well if you only play 1 hour a day and the other person plays 4, you will aways fall behind in any game. Sorry bro but thats the facts jack. I wouldn't let it bother you. I am a casual player but I have managed to cap in most of the games I've played. Sure it takes longer but who cares? Its a game and as long as you enjoy playing is all that matters.

    Be warned though, L2 is not for someone who is on the edge or thinks they might not like it. The economy is easily EVERYONES worse enemy.

    You need to learn the manor system very fast along with a few other things. The grind isn't as harsh as everyone says pre level 30. Mostly non-players going off second hand info.

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581

    The game is fun :) just dont rush in it...
    well you should find a clan with members around your lvl and with the same kind off Activityenss as yourself, + Same Play times as you ::::39::
    aldo you can solo all the way from lvl 1 to 75 but depends on the class you pick, so be sure when you pick one dont Reroll


    im lvl 32 with my new toon and have a wolf nisha lvl 27 she would be 34 if she hadent died 50-100 times::::21::
    Been Aginst 2 Raid bosses 1 lvl 20 and 1 lvl 35 failed both times but was fun ::::19::
    So far ive been hunting in FT, OB, NoS, HC (Loaction Names) with Clan Mates, done some Quests with nice rewards in em...
    almost gotten PKed once from a lvl 52+ Red Farmer Dwarf that got pissed, cause we Flaged his Botty minons out off they rooms in Forgotten Temple = FT :)
    also had 3 Deaths due to PvP, i could esaily have avoied thoes Deaths but i choosed not to...
    i pked 1 person for annyoing my clan mate...

    i think Lineage2 is really geared to being social, aldo you can go solo trough most, if you want...

  • MythagoMythago Member Posts: 23

    Thanks for the advice.

    I've got the game and intend to give it a go, I prefer a melee class, but incase I end up solo do they do ok?  I intend to group as often as possible but inevitably I might end up solo, so a viable class is needed.  Summoner classes were mentioned earlier in the thread, but would a gladiator do ok too solo?

  • SeanRPSeanRP Member Posts: 106
    Gladiaters are good up until about 60, then, your going to need a healer (or spend tons of money on potions and SS), atleast my set-up does. If you go HP Build instead it may be better, but i've never tried it.
  • Phantom999Phantom999 Member Posts: 21

    Well im thinking about getting it, and ive been reading this, and its been fairly informative, so while this isnt my thread, thanks. Anyways, I usually prefer playing high damage attackers, or bard like attack/support classes.

    Which would be decent for me? Im still not sure about the penalty thing...esepcially in a free open PVP. While it does add risk, it seems a pain to lose so much work. Anyways, I like grouping, so im all for social games, which is one reason why this is somewhat appealing, not to mention the anime like graphics.

    "Oh how wrong we were to think immortality meant never dying."

  • SorrowhoSorrowho Member Posts: 581
    Bards are Bladedancer and Swordsinger´s the bladedancer is a bit better suitet in PvP in a 1 vs 1 but the Sws is farily good to... aldo if you wana a high damgede attacker an Archer class, Destroyer or Mage might be good for you...

    the exp pentaly should be around 8% from lvl 1 to 51, and after lvl 52 it goes down to 4% pr death from mobs, aldo in a castle siege or clan war you only lose 1 Quartor off the exp you normaly lose, and they´s Healer´s like Bishop and Elven Elder with Rezzecrution spells that gives back % off exp...

    if you die from a purple player being purple or die from a red as white, i have no idea how much you lose, but it dosen´t seem to count as a high normal pentaly from dying bye mobs
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