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Lots of things can change in 6 years...probably needs lots of changes...also, they probably did exaggerate a little in the beginning...what company doest...they need to make believers first.
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Im worried about a dated design, dated engine...old code ect.
Plus, from what I saw, the guy just had a basic bump map world and a few items in it. That's hardly more than a start point I guess.
Since this game came out of hibernation, in case no one noticed, gamers went from loving the games they play to loving to tear them to shreds and trash talk/scare potential players away. This game cant just pick up where it left off and launch with a substandard combat system, game mechanics not fully fleshed out...there is no longer tolerance for "hey stick with us and the game will be whole soon" ect
I would kill for a scifi full loot sandbox...I want to see this do well...ive just been down this road before. Seems that sandboxes are often high on promises of a better future and short on developers to make that happen.
So for this game ill give it a try in a beta, and if the combat is bad, if the game is missing content and systems...well if it appears the game is going to be like all the other sandboxes...im just going to pretend it doesn't exist. I know not what beta is for but im sick of paying for betas and having a beta where nothing changes for the better before launch.
I really hope a large budget studio does the full loot sandbox, or an indy studio does it right for once.
I know it's hard to find reliable information about this game, but I can tell you the engine they are using is completely new they trashed the old one.
Secondly, I heard they will be releasing a prototype with combat in it for this summer to get the kinks worked out before their next crowdfunding campaign begins. Right now that's where they are at.
Lastly, the developer has promised he will not be making any sort of launch before the main features are finished in every sense of the word. I know this is a promise many make and fall on, but I think if he were the type to release unfinished games, he would've released his old version many years ago to try and get some excitement about it. Since that hasn't happened I'm putting some faith in him.
(It sucks you dont wanna see it)
Golly Gee, someone rezzed my old thread...
And I am surprised this is still going.
Well people, before getting all excited, you all better investigate the past as to what happened. There is more to this story than what I posted years ago. It all started with posting of rendered scenes supposedly from the game, of which they claimed, but were not.
As for today, hopefully they learned from their lessons to not make over the top promises with nothing to prove it. Which is why I made this thread. What I would ask to see of what is being shown; is that from a game engine or an actual MMO platform and with what features.
Also you may want to check with other developers of how it was like dealing with them.
Then decide for yourselves.
Now back to my grave.
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Got news for ya, they are alpha testing already. This game will be the the ultimate sandbox mmo. Even better than the original swg which I was a 6 year player there. This is the one game that will truly allow you the complete freedom to actually be in a world simulation.
Based on what evidence? They were "alpha testing" years ago too. Before they scrapped the engine 4 times and wasted a ton of money and time. How much money are you going to throw in this pit?
I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won.
To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.
Exhibit A.
Exhibit B.
Still circumstantial evidence, but quite recent.
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"Evening Star": a The Repopulation novel.
Well... I don´t know the guy personally, so I cannot comment on his bitterness.
But if the game was finished tomorrow, what would his personality matter?
(Don´t get me wrong: I fully understand your point that his personality may prevent him from getting enough help to finish the game... but, should he manage to finish it, IMHO players will only care if the game is good or not. I mean, Steve Jobs is said to have been the most tyrannical boss ever, but lots of people seem to like their I-pads and phones!
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"Evening Star": a The Repopulation novel.
I agree with you 100% based on your example. I was trying to be polite when I used the word "bitter". While Steve Jobs was quite frankly known by many to be a complete tyrant to his employee's, I don't think he ever condoned violence against anyone or attacked any particular segment of society or peoples beliefs. The views held by the dev in this case are very radical and probably contribute to no one will back him financially. I don't know him personally either, but I'll take his own word for it from his personal FB page. I've been known to not exactly be PC myself, but I do not condone violence against people or property.
Well... I suppose this may be a bit off-topic, but my point was: if as a consumer we think a product is good (but whatever defintion of good we may have, and in this I think we can agree that milleage varies greatly in each case), most of us are quite happy just using that product.
I mean, it´s not like we can audit the whole production line of every product we use, in order to check if at every single step everybody involved in the process is treated kindly and fairly. Of course, most of us would stop using product "A" if we were to learn they are involved in some sort of unethical/illegal practice, but most of the time it´s just not humanely possible to check everything. Which means that, should we find a game we like (again, with "like" being variable due to personal tastes), I somewhat doubt any of us would stop playing said game because the Dev says something we disagree in his FB page.
(I´d even be willing to bet that, should the game be good, we wouldn´t even care to see what the Dev has to say in any other venue other than his Dev Blogs and forums; we´d be too busy having a blast with the game!
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Of course, the above assumes that there actually *is* a game, which in this particular case remains to be seen; and a hell-to-work-with Dev may of course make it very hard on himself being able to get his product to the "finished" line.
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"Evening Star": a The Repopulation novel.
Yep, looks like more smoke and mirrors, like the photoshopped pics he posted to this site initially 8 years ago. For a community alpha test where is the thread exclaiming how awesome it was? Where is the actual community?
Also, while none of us may know him personally you can get a great sense of his personality and level of professionalism from many sources, not the least of which are these very forums. Steve Jobs was a loathsome human being, but he had the fact that he was a marketing genius going for him. When he died how many people thought Steve was the best thing since sliced bread? Ethan however, likes to blame others for his own shortcomings and spit hatred with his advertising. Besides which, he has made technical claims that he has shown no evidence of backing up. There is a reason why he has been compared to Appleton instead of Jobs afterall.
I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won.
To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.
Quite right.
Its never their fault, any fault is due to circumstances beyond their control or because of someone else, or because of this or that...
MMO's are a service, not a product; which require a good level of customer service. That attitude will be eventually directed towards players.
And I wonder how well this can really perform against Face of Mainkind with its recent kickstarter...
And that is why...
Conservatives' pessimism is conducive to their happiness in three ways. First, they are rarely surprised -- they are right more often than not about the course of events. Second, when they are wrong they are happy to be so. Third, because pessimistic conservatives put not their faith in princes -- government -- they accept that happiness is a function of fending for oneself. They believe that happiness is an activity -- it is inseparable from the pursuit of happiness.
Well... apparently, you´ll have the chance to check by yourself!
Alpha test 8pm PST tonight. Check details in this thread.
BTW, those are the game´s forums. There you may find the community you are looking for.
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"Evening Star": a The Repopulation novel.
You know you kind of look like an idiot making these claims when there are tons of people running around in the game every night and actually having a ton of fun. Instead of making statements that are totally false why don't you go the divergence website, download the client, and hop in the game which is usually about 12 midnight est because the development team is on the west coast. Too bad a mod cant come in and take off all the slanderous posts but this site is notorious for trolls.
Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"
Totally false? Based on what exactly? The game is far from any sort of playable state. There is plenty of evidence than this will crash and burn the same way it has the 2 previous times. You know when he had forums, and was taking money, and was running the circuit of building hype only to state "oops, ran out of cash, i'll keep cracking away at it, thanks for the support!" before closing down the servers and all but disappearing. Christ, have you even read the thread? Not to mention the many similar threads like it on this very forum?
I did battle with ignorance today, and ignorance won.
To exercise power costs effort and demands courage. That is why so many fail to assert rights to which they are perfectly entitled - because a right is a kind of power but they are too lazy or too cowardly to exercise it. The virtues which cloak these faults are called patience and forbearance.
C´mon, guys... no need to feed the flames!
The game is in pre-Alpha; Ethan himself recognizes that much. The only working feature is building; yet what you can do right now is, as far as I know, unheard of in any other MMO as of yet. It won´t remain as such for long, of course; MMO studios seem to have realized that Minecraft-style block building is the way to go and even EQN is aiming for that. Still, you can do it right now in D:O with its pre-Alpha build.
AFAIK, basic combat is the next step. Not sure how long it may take, but if the block building feature serves as comparison, Ethan should be able to get the basics in two or three months after the current campaing, assuming it´s successful. His plan, as far as I am aware, is indeed to do a couple more Kickstarter or Indiegogo campaings, in order to fund the remaining features (harvesting, crafting, etc).
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"Evening Star": a The Repopulation novel.
Today we have pre purchased code developed by the very talented Grzegorz Slazinski's "Ineisis Online" project available to all from his online store at a bargain price.
Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"
No doubt there is drama in this game's history, but that shouldn't let people forgot things can change.
Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't but I don't see a need for you guys to flame each other or the game itself. If you think it's a flop fine, if you think it will work fine. It's childish of any of you to try and get at each other because you hold different opinions, it's a game in the end. If someone throws money at it and it flops it's NO different than someone investing in a stock because the company claims they will work their hardest to be a success and it crashes.
How about lets comment on the footage that's been released, and those nay-sayers why not put on here what exactly you would like to see in order to be a believer?
It could flop it could succeed, I'm not on either side but I am against pointless arguments that get in the way of any sort of real progress.
(It sucks you dont wanna see it)
Given Ethans “experience” in developing games I’m sure he wouldn’t go about making an Hard Core mmo with out first prototyping the combat so maybe he could showcase some of that?
He has only changed engines not programing language, so porting over form the 90% completed version shouldn’t be the palava he makes it out to be.
Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"
Well lucky for you he polled the community asking whether they'd like them to start working on UI and Character Creation or skip that and go for making the Combat playable first. Combat one the vote.
I know it's just a pole but last time we got asked what we wanted we voted for a working alpha that we could walk into and walk around in. We got on that we could do that and build and shoot a bit in.
So here's hoping they pull it off again (in the nice time frame they did before, which was about 3 months after the poll was closed and they decided to head for a prototype).
If they don't, IMO you have every right to call them liars or vaporware or whatever. However I think they might pull through this time.
(It sucks you dont wanna see it)
The guy bought the source code for the alpha for $39.99, Esenthel doesn’t sell a combat module for Ineisis online so it will be interesting.
Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"