Lol they struggled with their launch, nothing more nothing less, happens sometimes- do we really need a trillion posts declaring their horror or disdain - people get it - good launches are preferred.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
I Beta tested WOW and played at launch on the Illidan server and the ONLY problems WOW had was the loot lag issue (which was quickly fixed) and queues which may have taken up to 50 mins to GET into the server. There was 1 other bug but it was so small I even forgot it...
And notice I said get into the server! Because you got in after your queue went down to 0. I remember saying to myself this is one of the best MMO launches ever.
Never once did you see a WOW developer hold a conference where he starting balling like a little girl because how bad they screwed up like the FF developers did.
So please keep trying to use excuses for your boring pathetic stand in one spot and cast spells game all you want, the truth of the matter is this is a launch to go down in the History books. Another Anarchy Online type launch.
It's clear that most of the people claiming the WoW launch was so terrible didn't even play during launch. It's just that WoW-bashing is a popular sport here.
What is really ridiculous here? MMO Launch trouble or players who cannot manage their expectations?
Personally what I find ridiculous is people acting like the onus is on the playerbase and not the companies.
Consumer pays for Product X, available on Date Y.
Product is not available on Date Y.
Consumer is pissed.
It's the consumer's fault?
I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around how that makes any sense whatsoever to anyone.
The gaming industry in general gets away with crap no one would accept anywhere else. Until and unless gamers start acting like consumers, rather than sports team fans (SE is good, so their having issues is okay, Blizz is bad, so D3 having issues is proof they suck) and hold all of these companies responsible for their failures, it's not going to change.
I am not defending SE here. Don't think I am. They EFFED up pretty bad. I won't deny that. But that's my point. It comes after the fact that we have established "blame" I am in no way promoting SE gets a pass for this. But at the same time. What does that mean? NOT giving SE a free pass? What are you going t odo about it? WEll, you can come here and bitch up a storm, but as you can see that gets mixed responses. And still doesn't get you into the game.
You clearly and directly accused players of not having managed their expectations. You clearly wrote that. If I am an MMO player who has been into MMOs for at least the last 7 years, and the games I have played at launch were DCUO, Rift, SWTOR, or GW2.....I would expect the launch to go similer.....where as in this case, the launch has been a total disaster in comparison....and one can argue a few of the aformentioned games launched with far more players day 1 than FFXIV.
Reactions to the issues, I agree, have been toally batshit crazy (ie: ppl threatening lawsuits), but thats totally diff than managing expectations...
Your initial expectation requires adjusting. What more can I tell you?
Wait it out or get a refund. Which do you choose?
How dare anyone expect the launch to go similer to every AAA MMO in the last 7 years...i got it...
No, I don't think you do.
What you had a right to expect, simply didn't happen. Now you have to manage that expectation differently.
This is called the difference between idealism and reality. The world isn't ideal. get over it.
What you had a right to expect, simply didn't happen. Now you have to manage that expectation differently.
This is called the difference between idealism and reality. The world isn't ideal. get over it.
I think we should also expect these reactions we're seeing, as it goes hand and hand with launch issues. Telling people to "get over it" does nothing but fan flames and pour more gasoline.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wow was anything but a really bad launch. It was one of the better ones minus the usual hiccups. It goes to show the level of selective memory or sheer lack of mmo experience if nobody remembers the truly tank-tastic launches such as OA or Darkfall (just 2 for example. There are many more I endured).
Hell there are many that tanked directly out of launch.
This is why I do not play mmos at launch anymore. It isn't worth the self abuse and you don't "lose" for not playing the first month or so. It's all in your own mind and learn to have patience. The only people who can't handle waiting are children and exploiters who want to play before 'sploit fixes come down. I've seen entire guilds hide exploits through beta to benefit from them in launch. It is basically the story of Darkfall.
What is really ridiculous here? MMO Launch trouble or players who cannot manage their expectations?
Personally what I find ridiculous is people acting like the onus is on the playerbase and not the companies.
Consumer pays for Product X, available on Date Y.
Product is not available on Date Y.
Consumer is pissed.
It's the consumer's fault?
I'm really having a hard time wrapping my head around how that makes any sense whatsoever to anyone.
The gaming industry in general gets away with crap no one would accept anywhere else. Until and unless gamers start acting like consumers, rather than sports team fans (SE is good, so their having issues is okay, Blizz is bad, so D3 having issues is proof they suck) and hold all of these companies responsible for their failures, it's not going to change.
I am not defending SE here. Don't think I am. They EFFED up pretty bad. I won't deny that. But that's my point. It comes after the fact that we have established "blame" I am in no way promoting SE gets a pass for this. But at the same time. What does that mean? NOT giving SE a free pass? What are you going t odo about it? WEll, you can come here and bitch up a storm, but as you can see that gets mixed responses. And still doesn't get you into the game.
You clearly and directly accused players of not having managed their expectations. You clearly wrote that. If I am an MMO player who has been into MMOs for at least the last 7 years, and the games I have played at launch were DCUO, Rift, SWTOR, or GW2.....I would expect the launch to go similer.....where as in this case, the launch has been a total disaster in comparison....and one can argue a few of the aformentioned games launched with far more players day 1 than FFXIV.
Reactions to the issues, I agree, have been toally batshit crazy (ie: ppl threatening lawsuits), but thats totally diff than managing expectations...
Your initial expectation requires adjusting. What more can I tell you?
Wait it out or get a refund. Which do you choose?
How dare anyone expect the launch to go similer to every AAA MMO in the last 7 years...i got it...
No, I don't think you do.
What you had a right to expect, simply didn't happen. Now you have to manage that expectation differently.
This is called the difference between idealism and reality. The world isn't ideal. get over it.
There in lies the problem, and had that been the title of this thread, or what you had said form the begining, im sure this thing would be a few pages shorter
What you had a right to expect, simply didn't happen. Now you have to manage that expectation differently.
This is called the difference between idealism and reality. The world isn't ideal. get over it.
I think we should also expect these reactions we're seeing, as it goes hand and hand with launch issues. Telling people to "get over it" does nothing but fan flames and pour more gasoline.
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
Originally posted by Bladestrom Here is how the chat goes with the sane : 'the release was bad', 'we all agree, can't wait until its resolved'
And now in this forum
Ooommmng I'm so like demanding a refund this , it is shocking, they are idiots, I demand everything is instantly fixed, il never play this game again!
true to a point except you forgot to add the other responses like
OMG stop complaining everything is fine because I like the game so nothing bad can be allowed to be said and to prove it I'm gonna say if any game had a bad launch int he past,even if it wasn't as bad, it means my chosen game can have a bad launch today!!!
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
I don't think the goal is get anywhere, I think the goal is to simply share feelings on what's taking place. I take it that last part was saying "You can't do this to me" fans the flames coming from the fans of the game? Maybe, but that's a different kind of flame, a defensive one. Which is mostly uncalled for, especially when those fans know things aren't going so hot.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
I don't think the goal is get anywhere, I think the goal is to simply share feelings on what's taking place. I take it that last part was saying "You can't do this to me" fans the flames coming from the fans of the game? Maybe, but that's a different kind of flame, a defensive one. Which is mostly uncalled for, especially when those fans know things aren't going so hot.
Exactly this is an open forum and people can post their feelings both negative and positive here and people can respond to them negatively and positively.
I would agree that people should be letting SE know how they feel directly too.
However posting here about it is just as valid as any other post in this forum.
It should be pointed out the OP has posted many negative remarks on other games launched and to launch in future as have most of us here.Why is it suddenly invalid for this game?
S-e is in similar position as wow was when vanilla lunched yes,wow story for this part is almost at an end and extension is far enough that 5.4 is not a big threat for ff14 relaunch .all true!what can see do tho?they lack everything to accept the amount of player pouring in!
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
I don't think the goal is get anywhere, I think the goal is to simply share feelings on what's taking place. I take it that last part was saying "You can't do this to me" fans the flames coming from the fans of the game? Maybe, but that's a different kind of flame, a defensive one. Which is mostly uncalled for, especially when those fans know things aren't going so hot.
Exactly this is an open forum and people can post their feelings both negative and positive here and people can respond to them negatively and positively.
I would agree that people should be letting SE know how they feel directly too.
However posting here about it is just as valid as any other post in this forum.
It should be pointed out the OP has posted many negative remarks on other games launched and to launch in future as have most of us here.Why is it suddenly invalid for this game?
Good point as I've thought about the same thing throughout this thread. The op can be very outspoken when he doesn't like a game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wow was anything but a really bad launch. It was one of the better ones minus the usual hiccups. It goes to show the level of selective memory or sheer lack of mmo experience if nobody remembers the truly tank-tastic launches such as OA or Darkfall (just 2 for example. There are many more I endured).
Hell there are many that tanked directly out of launch.
This is why I do not play mmos at launch anymore. It isn't worth the self abuse and you don't "lose" for not playing the first month or so. It's all in your own mind and learn to have patience. The only people who can't handle waiting are children and exploiters who want to play before 'sploit fixes come down. I've seen entire guilds hide exploits through beta to benefit from them in launch. It is basically the story of Darkfall.
Pshh I was dead for 2 days straight in WoW. Couldnt Loot anything and knew people who fell through the world and had to wait a long long long time for a gm to get em out.
And do you mean AO? I dont know what OA is. And while login issues can seem like a big problem. The fact that the game isnt broken from bugs and poor game development like AoC, Horizons and WAR just to name a few. FFXIV release really isnt that bad.
Pshh I was dead for 2 days straight in WoW. Couldnt Loot anything and knew people who fell through the world and had to wait a long long long time for a gm to get em out.
And do you mean AO? I dont know what OA is. And while login issues can seem like a big problem. The fact that the game isnt broken from bugs and poor game development like AoC, Horizons and WAR just to name a few. FFXIV release really isnt that bad.
To be fair, I'm sure if each of those games received a few years of extra development for re-release they'd have been better in those departments as well. We saw what FFXIV was on a normal development schedule.Which brings us to the here and now. I that's an important factor here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
I don't think the goal is get anywhere, I think the goal is to simply share feelings on what's taking place. I take it that last part was saying "You can't do this to me" fans the flames coming from the fans of the game? Maybe, but that's a different kind of flame, a defensive one. Which is mostly uncalled for, especially when those fans know things aren't going so hot.
Exactly this is an open forum and people can post their feelings both negative and positive here and people can respond to them negatively and positively.
I would agree that people should be letting SE know how they feel directly too.
However posting here about it is just as valid as any other post in this forum.
It should be pointed out the OP has posted many negative remarks on other games launched and to launch in future as have most of us here.Why is it suddenly invalid for this game?
Good point as I've thought about the same thing throughout this thread. The op can be very outspoken when he doesn't like a game.
My goal is not to try to deny people the right to express themselves here. I've been trying to explain what I am getting at.
That highlighted statement was out of context. Again, going back several pages now, I am talking about the difference when there is absolutely nothing you can do to alter the situation. This is the case now. vs. when we as a community can collectively speak as one voice to the developers to send them a message telling them what we don't like so they can make the change. Again, I'll repeat myself. In this situation, we can certainly express our opinion of dissatisfaction (And I am dissatisfied with this launch) But there will not be any changes that come any faster as a result.
Wow was anything but a really bad launch. It was one of the better ones minus the usual hiccups. It goes to show the level of selective memory or sheer lack of mmo experience if nobody remembers the truly tank-tastic launches such as OA or Darkfall (just 2 for example. There are many more I endured).
Hell there are many that tanked directly out of launch.
This is why I do not play mmos at launch anymore. It isn't worth the self abuse and you don't "lose" for not playing the first month or so. It's all in your own mind and learn to have patience. The only people who can't handle waiting are children and exploiters who want to play before 'sploit fixes come down. I've seen entire guilds hide exploits through beta to benefit from them in launch. It is basically the story of Darkfall.
Pshh I was dead for 2 days straight in WoW. Couldnt Loot anything and knew people who fell through the world and had to wait a long long long time for a gm to get em out.
And do you mean AO? I dont know what OA is. And while login issues can seem like a big problem. The fact that the game isnt broken from bugs and poor game development like AoC, Horizons and WAR just to name a few. FFXIV release really isnt that bad.
Yes I meant AO indeed. War was also a rough beginning. Wow issues at launch were largely specific to individuals or servers. I actually had no issues at all or at best minor ones. AO was a complete mess. The vast majority of players couldn't even leave the starting zones. Missions were broken entirely and it took them months to revamp the game into something decently playable. I would say they rebounded nicely but the damage was done.
Players are simply too negative and group issues into one bin. If you can't log into the game then that is a authentication issue and may have absolutely nothing to do with the game servers themselves. These global "worst launch ever" whines are nothing more than that ... whines. The kids tying to log in have 5 minutes of problems and the world is suddenly collapsing to them. I never even played this game and likely won't ever but I followed the beta schedule and news a little and it was very clear to me that this game was never stress tested enough for a launch.
They ran into the normal mmo launch problem and nothing more.
A combination of bad memories and total BS in this topic.
I played WoW from midnight launch. The loot bug was annoying, but not game breaking. There were queues, but it was a massive success so it had an excuse. The server Argent Dawn often crashed, but that was mostly because we were breaking it with some of the most awesome faction vs faction open world PvP the world had ever seen. It crashed from just too many people as well, but most the time I wanted on, I waited 5-10 minutes in a queue, and maybe had to wait for a server restart twice a day.
I was given days credit on my free month, but honestly it didn't matter, because the game was a blast. The first mmo that wasn't just a total amateur job and everyone logging in knew they were becoming part of mmorpg history. Most of us would later grow to dislike WoW's direction from a casual friendly game to hardcore raiderville, but that's another story.
Don't crap on WoW's release. People do it often, and every time they do I'll set them straight.
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Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
And now in this forum
Ooommmng I'm so like demanding a refund this , it is shocking, they are idiots, I demand everything is instantly fixed, il never play this game again!
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
It's clear that most of the people claiming the WoW launch was so terrible didn't even play during launch. It's just that WoW-bashing is a popular sport here.
No, I don't think you do.
What you had a right to expect, simply didn't happen. Now you have to manage that expectation differently.
This is called the difference between idealism and reality. The world isn't ideal. get over it.
I think we should also expect these reactions we're seeing, as it goes hand and hand with launch issues. Telling people to "get over it" does nothing but fan flames and pour more gasoline.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Wow was anything but a really bad launch. It was one of the better ones minus the usual hiccups. It goes to show the level of selective memory or sheer lack of mmo experience if nobody remembers the truly tank-tastic launches such as OA or Darkfall (just 2 for example. There are many more I endured).
Hell there are many that tanked directly out of launch.
This is why I do not play mmos at launch anymore. It isn't worth the self abuse and you don't "lose" for not playing the first month or so. It's all in your own mind and learn to have patience. The only people who can't handle waiting are children and exploiters who want to play before 'sploit fixes come down. I've seen entire guilds hide exploits through beta to benefit from them in launch. It is basically the story of Darkfall.
You stay sassy!
OK, so they can come here and vent. But then where does that get everyone?
I'm not saying "get over it" because I don't want to hear it. I'm saying it because once people look at the situation objectively and realize exactly what is within their power to change, then they can weigh out their options and simply accepting reality for what it is, makes life a bit less stressful.
But at the same time, 15 page threads of "You can't do this to me" is what fans the flames.
true to a point except you forgot to add the other responses like
OMG stop complaining everything is fine because I like the game so nothing bad can be allowed to be said and to prove it I'm gonna say if any game had a bad launch int he past,even if it wasn't as bad, it means my chosen game can have a bad launch today!!!
I don't think the goal is get anywhere, I think the goal is to simply share feelings on what's taking place. I take it that last part was saying "You can't do this to me" fans the flames coming from the fans of the game? Maybe, but that's a different kind of flame, a defensive one. Which is mostly uncalled for, especially when those fans know things aren't going so hot.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Exactly this is an open forum and people can post their feelings both negative and positive here and people can respond to them negatively and positively.
I would agree that people should be letting SE know how they feel directly too.
However posting here about it is just as valid as any other post in this forum.
It should be pointed out the OP has posted many negative remarks on other games launched and to launch in future as have most of us here.Why is it suddenly invalid for this game?
Good point as I've thought about the same thing throughout this thread. The op can be very outspoken when he doesn't like a game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Pshh I was dead for 2 days straight in WoW. Couldnt Loot anything and knew people who fell through the world and had to wait a long long long time for a gm to get em out.
And do you mean AO? I dont know what OA is. And while login issues can seem like a big problem. The fact that the game isnt broken from bugs and poor game development like AoC, Horizons and WAR just to name a few. FFXIV release really isnt that bad.
To be fair, I'm sure if each of those games received a few years of extra development for re-release they'd have been better in those departments as well. We saw what FFXIV was on a normal development schedule.Which brings us to the here and now. I that's an important factor here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
My goal is not to try to deny people the right to express themselves here. I've been trying to explain what I am getting at.
That highlighted statement was out of context. Again, going back several pages now, I am talking about the difference when there is absolutely nothing you can do to alter the situation. This is the case now. vs. when we as a community can collectively speak as one voice to the developers to send them a message telling them what we don't like so they can make the change. Again, I'll repeat myself. In this situation, we can certainly express our opinion of dissatisfaction (And I am dissatisfied with this launch) But there will not be any changes that come any faster as a result.
but meh, w/e is fine.
Yes I meant AO indeed. War was also a rough beginning. Wow issues at launch were largely specific to individuals or servers. I actually had no issues at all or at best minor ones. AO was a complete mess. The vast majority of players couldn't even leave the starting zones. Missions were broken entirely and it took them months to revamp the game into something decently playable. I would say they rebounded nicely but the damage was done.
Players are simply too negative and group issues into one bin. If you can't log into the game then that is a authentication issue and may have absolutely nothing to do with the game servers themselves. These global "worst launch ever" whines are nothing more than that ... whines. The kids tying to log in have 5 minutes of problems and the world is suddenly collapsing to them. I never even played this game and likely won't ever but I followed the beta schedule and news a little and it was very clear to me that this game was never stress tested enough for a launch.
They ran into the normal mmo launch problem and nothing more.
You stay sassy!
A combination of bad memories and total BS in this topic.
I played WoW from midnight launch. The loot bug was annoying, but not game breaking. There were queues, but it was a massive success so it had an excuse. The server Argent Dawn often crashed, but that was mostly because we were breaking it with some of the most awesome faction vs faction open world PvP the world had ever seen. It crashed from just too many people as well, but most the time I wanted on, I waited 5-10 minutes in a queue, and maybe had to wait for a server restart twice a day.
I was given days credit on my free month, but honestly it didn't matter, because the game was a blast. The first mmo that wasn't just a total amateur job and everyone logging in knew they were becoming part of mmorpg history. Most of us would later grow to dislike WoW's direction from a casual friendly game to hardcore raiderville, but that's another story.
Don't crap on WoW's release. People do it often, and every time they do I'll set them straight.