What is happening to my country ??

Razorback · December 2005

So after 10 years of a right wing, conservative government with a basically devisive and racist agenda against anyone of non WASP decent, we now see the results on the streets of Sydney's suburbs.

To my complete disbelief but not much surprise so called "Lebanese" youths clashed with so called "Australian" youths resulting in stabbings and other injuries as well as over 100 cars smashed up, ala Paris of earlier this year.

I can not understand why we have young men BORN IN THIS COUNTRY who identify themselves as "Lebanese" fighting with young men some of whom were no doubt not born in Australia but fit the "accepted profile" of being white and aryan looking so they think they are automatically Australian.

My take on it is basically that people who were born in Australia need to call themselves Australians along with anyone who likes the place enough to call it home. If this was the case then what is there to fight over ???

The trouble starts when people want to call themselves citizens of another country and the irony is that in 99% of cases they left that country to escape the very violence and stupidity they now want to import to this country.

Nationalism, patriotism, supremicism, these are notions that the modern world simply cannot afford anymore. This planet is not big enough for every dozen people with a similar surname to claim they are somehow different enough to warrant violence and separation.

All I can say is I wish my life was so empty and my mind so devoid of sense that I could find time and motivation to act the way these idiots do. As Cypher so accurately observed to Agent Smith in the Matrix, "Ignorance is bliss"!

Story...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10119,17546773,00.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1529329.htm

Vampir · December 2005

looks like another case of a governments legislature not taking action to prevent racial discrimination.

but i think its kind of creepy its very very similar to europe.

Rufius · December 2005

Yeah, rascism is bad down there.

Razorback · December 2005

Yes unfortunately we lag well behind the rest of the world in our ability to confront our racist tendancies.

We have not come as far as Canada who have done a lot to acknowledge the original owners of thier country and make compensation to them. Nor have we come as far as South Africa who has acknowledged its past and attempted to adress a future.

We still (assissted by a right wing government) continue to live in denial that most white Australians arnt racist when the evidence clearly shows they are.

Its like alcaholism, the first step is admitting you have a problem, so far we have been unable to do that. The worst elements of society see that as acceptance on behlaf of the government of past wrongs and permission to keep going that way in the future..

Its disgusting....

Vampir · December 2005

Originally posted by Razorback

Yes unfortunately we lag well behind the rest of the world in our ability to confront our racist tendancies.
We have not come as far as Canada who have done a lot to acknowledge the original owners of thier country and make compensation to them. Nor have we come as far as South Africa who has acknowledged its past and attempted to adress a future.
We still (assissted by a right wing government) continue to live in denial that most white Australians arnt racist when the evidence clearly shows they are.
Its like alcaholism, the first step is admitting you have a problem, so far we have been unable to do that. The worst elements of society see that as acceptance on behlaf of the government of past wrongs and permission to keep going that way in the future..
Its disgusting....

im all for racial equality but what canada does with native americans can be pretty god damn ridiculous.

im not saying they dont deserve there own land, or the right to practice there own culture, but their using it as a right to sell switchblades, cigarrettes, marajuana(not so much its the only one thats technically illegal.

so they end up not checking ID on booze, ciggarrettes, and so many illicit substances.

thats what happens when you let a seperate nation run right but cities and in other nations.......

not to mention they are the only casinoes allowed in our state. so i think its cool to give them rights and equality and their culture. but not the ability to sell things without ids. they too need to have responsible laws and law enforcement.

ive heard some reports of this happening in canada too. but not as often.

but its all after the canadians started making the repairations that they started doing that.

Razorback · December 2005

Originally posted by Vergeltung

but its all after the canadians started making the repairations that they started doing that.

Dont get me wrong man, Im not sugesting this sstuff can be fixed easily.

I mean how do you compensate or apologise for taking someone's country and changing the entire direction and future of thier race ? Is it even possible ?

However many other countries have started to make an effort. We on the other hand are quite happy living in denial.

arvainis · December 2005

Great so you can't be a patriot anymore. No sense of pride in your country. I guess being a proud American I'm some type of racsist now.

ZivaDomini · December 2005

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your nation, it's when that pride blinds you and makes you arrogent that it becomes a problem.

Frankly, I'm proud to be an American, I'm also proud that my family is from Germany, and proud of my Irish heritage also. But I don't hate someone from Iraq solely because we're at war with a handful of guys from there.

But what I do is the overly sensitive crybabies out there. The ones who feel the need to say "I'm not black, I'm African American." or "I'm not Mexican, I'm hispanic." Stfu. Get over it. Move on. It's a word, it's not meant to be offensive, it's just a word that we use to describe you. If you can't get past something as simple as a word that isn't being used to offend you, then just step aside and stay behind while the rest of the world moves on without you.

Aldaron · December 2005

Originally posted by Razorback
Nationalism, patriotism, supremicism, these are notions that the modern world simply cannot afford anymore. This planet is not big enough for every dozen people with a similar surname to claim they are somehow different enough to warrant violence and separation.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10119,17546773,00.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1529329.htm

Patriots is what creates a Kingdom(Nation) of steel. As is as well shown in the United States. An ideal, burns the coals that are in the soul into a smoldering unstoppable power.

To have no pride or love for your country; will leave it defenseless when an enemy comes knocking.

One of the causes of the Roman Empire becoming a strong, unstoppable force, and in the end, weakening into a withering corpse; was the love and patriotism for the former, and lack thereof for the latter.

Originally posted by Razorback

I mean how do you compensate or apologise for taking someone's country and changing the entire direction and future of thier race ? Is it even possible ?

You don't, and you shouldn't. It may seem cold. But this reparation BS that has so been popularized in PC style politics is absurd.

So you killed thousands of their people, and took their land to make your own nation grow into what it has become.

So what? The world's a bitch. The world has been shaped by wars, and domination of the stronger. You think the dominated are innocent of all things? You think they didn't murder, kill, and conquer to become what they were?

When was war ever fair? When did war ever pretend to be fair? The old saying, "All is fair in love and war."

My ancestors murdered your ancestors, your ancestors murdered my ancestors, and someones ancestors murdered someone elses ancestors. We all got evils in the family tree. And if we tried to repay every wrong ever did to each other, we'd all end up with the same amount we started out with in the end.

The past is the past. Like the people that lived back then, let it rest.

Merodoc · December 2005

If you could rant about your country without deeming half of your country racist, you would seem less skewered.

reavo · December 2005

I think what's going on is that the world is in a transitionary period. And there are always people who don't like change.

Look at America, you have the Republicans here glamorizing the 50's saying we need to go back to that era. That era was messed up if you ask me. Yeah, there were no race riots, but that's because the blacks felt there was no place for them other than 2nd class. And when they finally stood up for themselves there were people crying that the civil-rights movements were wrong. I can't, for the life of me, understand why someone would decry a movement who's goal is equality. The conservatives even went so far (and still are if you listen to the talk radio shows and their shock talk) as to say that peace activists and civil-rights leaders were socialists and communists.

And the women over here fall for that garbabe too. Yeah, you women want to go back to the 50's and live the life the ladies back then did? No future career or decisions to make with your life other than be a housewife. No wonder all the women were hooked on Valium. They're only choice was to just be subservient.

I think a lot of this goes back to religion too. There are a lot of interpretations of the Bible that people use to justify what they want to believe. The Bible was used to justify slavery, to burn "witches", and now it's being used against homosexuals. When any Bible scholar who has studied the old scriptures will tell you that gay references in the modern Bibles are mistranslations. The untranslated Bible says NOTHING about homosexuality. But that doesn't jibe with peoples hate. And to hear people talk over here gays are out to destroy marriage, the family, and now with Brokeback Mountain the rodeo. lol.

It can go two ways at this juncture. We can either keep getting rougher and more violent in our anxiety of change, or we can all somehow mature and learn to accept each other as one race; the human race.

I'm a little pessimistic about what will happen though. I just don't think we as a species have the capacity to quit being violent and hard headed. I pray to God everynight though that I'm wrong.

Razorback · December 2005

Originally posted by Merodoc
If you could rant about your country without deeming half of your country racist, you would seem less skewered.

The best accepted formal legal defence in cases of defamation is to prove that what you assert is in fact true, then its not defamatory. In this case the evidence speaks for itself.

In addition to the stuff you see in this thread and the links from it, I also hear talk back radio and people I thought I knew saying the classic "we should send all the ba$tards home" lines. Just basic redneck BS that you would think we could have gotten over by now.

And its "skewed", "skewered" would be far more painful.

Wakizashi · December 2005

Quick! Has anyone seen that Russell Crowe?

Nevinyrral · December 2005

OK, I usually never replay to political threads, mostly because I have a very difficult time putting my thoughts into words. But I'm going to go out on a limb here. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

First of all, I don't know where you get the idea that all (or most) of conservatives are racist. Most likely you live in an area where you are around liberals all day and that kind of stuff just sinks in. I'm sure there are racist conservatives, most likely more then there are liberal racists, but you can't assume that a majority of people who are conservatives are also racist, that just stupid. Ive been raised in a home where my parents allowed me to make decisions on my own; they never tried pushed religion or political view on me. Though, naturally since they are both republicans and religious at least some of that would have to rub off on me. Back to my point, since I was 13 I have been very conservative and a fairly religious person and never in my damn life have I ever felt I was better then someone based only on race. The town I live in is by vast majority more conservative then liberal, if you made a racist comment here, you would more than likely get the crap beat out of you or everyone here would ignore you.

You can say whatever you want about the old scriptures of the bible, but I believe in what our current bible says and believe that being gay is a sin. Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate gay PEOPLE and certainly don't believe that if youre gay you are automatically going to hell, most religious people don't, its the idea of being gay that we don't like. People seem to not get this. There are 4 gay people who go to my school and I don't hate them. In fact, one of them is a pretty nice guy and we get along just fine.

Its unfortunate that we live in a world where if someone makes an offensive comment about race, sexual preference, religion, etc... That it is immediately broadcast over the news or other types of media, giving the impression that everyone of that particular political party thinks that way. Well, WE DON'T. There are going to be idiots all over the world, in every group, in every religion, in every race. Because one of them thinks something, doesnt mean the rest of the group thinks the same way.

Phoenixs · December 2005

Originally posted by Razorback

Nationalism, patriotism, supremicism, these are notions that the modern world simply cannot afford anymore. This planet is not big enough for every dozen people with a similar surname to claim they are somehow different enough to warrant violence and separation.

So so true.

crack_fox · December 2005

Originally posted by Razorback

I can not understand why we have young men BORN IN THIS COUNTRY who identify themselves as "Lebanese" fighting with young men some of whom were no doubt not born in Australia but fit the "accepted profile" of being white and aryan looking so they think they are automatically Australian.

This isn't exactly a strange modern phenomenon. I take your point but aren't there still Americans who define themselves as Irish-American, or Italian-American etc, even though they their ancestors may have been in the country for many years - and even though they fit the accepted visual profile"?

I disagree with your statement about "nationalism" and "patriotism". These are terms that are widely misunderstood by people (on both ends of the political spectrum) who confuse "nation" with "race".

Razorback · December 2005

Originally posted by Nevinyrral

First of all, I don't know where you get the idea that all (or most) of conservatives are racist. Most likely you live in an area where you are around liberals all day and that kind of stuff just sinks in.

The area I live in is predominantly rural and I think we all know what country folk are like when it comes to conservatism and racism. The term redneck did not originate in the city my friend. In fact it was first used to describe the white american farmers of the mid west who got "red necks" from working in the sun all day in long sleeve shirts. It just so happened that their political views were also conservative and their views on race, much the same. So the link I make is not one I have fancifully dreamed up based on hearing something my Mom said or my social studies teacher told me, it is an established historical fact.

So DESPITE the areas i have lived and grown up in I have managed to develop a view of the world that does not involve branding anyone of any particular race or creed without some sort of substantiation. My substantiation for my remarks is provided.

I dont know how much you know about the Australian Government of the last decade but it IS right wing, it IS conservative and it DOES have an underlying base of racism in its ranks. One of its former members Pauline Hanson broke from their party because of disatisfaction of other members that she spoke out what they all thought. She went on to form a party called One Nation which was basically a White Australia party. The values she decided to espouse publically were nothing more than the policies of this government from its roots, they just dont like it being put on public display because it embarasses them. So they keep thier policies of division nice and subtle to fool the general public into thinking they have a non racist agenda.

For example our Prime Minister recently visited a child care centre and spoke to a woman who was wearing a Moslem head scarf and was of Middle Eastern appearance. He spoke very slowly and in a child like manner to her and said "hello dear how long have you been in Australia" she replied in a clam clear voice "I was born here". It was a classic peice of exposure for him. He had let his guard down for a second and revealed his true attitude toward anyone that doesnt look like him and he got SPRUNG!

My point is this. Our Governments attitude and policies of the last ten years have resulted in a climate in certain sections of the public that has led people to believe that displaying overt racisim is somehow acceptable.

FACT : This has happened under a conservative administration.

FACT : 20 years ago no one would have believed this could have happened.

Thats not my fault... but it is my observation.

reavo · December 2005

Originally posted by Nevinyrral

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />You can say whatever you want about the old scriptures of the bible, but I believe in what our current bible says and believe that being gay is a sin. Now don't get me wrong, I don't hate gay PEOPLE and certainly don't believe that if youre gay you are automatically going to hell, most religious people don't, its the idea of being gay that we don't like. People seem to not get this. There are 4 gay people who go to my school and I don't hate them. In fact, one of them is a pretty nice guy and we get along just fine.

I don't say whatever I want about the old scriptures of the Bible. I say what they really said. They never said anything about homosexuality. Nothing. It's something that was added because of peoples biases. And if someone took the word of God and twisted it into something hateful, then you should be outraged. Not just say, "I believe in what our current Bible says." So I guess your one of those people who don't want the facts to get in the way of your decision making process.

Your outrage in this should stem from the fact that by repeating a mistranslation as factual you are turning millions of people away from God and leaving them with a feeling of hopelessnes. How can you say that it's a sin when God doesn't? Just ask yourself that. And how can you allow people who could know the truth about what God and Jesus said walk around feeling crummy about themselves and their chances of salvation because of some punk ass "preachers"?

Look my point is that nothing is going to change until people get the facts about things and stop moving around in this fog of their mob mentality. Non of the violence, hatred, bigotry, or hipocrisy is ever going to go away until people seek the facts and show courage enough to believe them. They are after all facts.

And I hate to tell you this, but if you go back in history and study the civil rights movement every single person who was against it was a conservative. They may not have been in the conservative party, but they were conservative. Most of them left the Dems during this time to go over to the Republicans because of their hatred in the civil-rights movement. It's one of the issues that split the Democratic party apart in the 60's. Probably one that will ring a bell to you is John Connally. He's the guy that was for Kennedy at first but later went over to the Republican side with Nixon (and Nixon was ooooh so supportive of civil-rights at the time, lol.)

But that said, I don't consider myself Liberal or Republican. I'm a Libertarian. I believe in personal freedoms and that people should leave others alone, PERIOD. As long as no one is infringing on your personal rights then let them be.

Here, I know the link below is kind of long article to read, but just read it please. I think it will open your eyes on the world. Things aren't as they seem on the surface. So why not try to find the facts out? The truth is all that will change what is happening around the world. Don't be scared of it.

http://civic.bev.net/uufnrv/CB-030824.html

Oh and BTW. For someone who doesn't like political debates because you feel you have a hard time putting your thoughts to words, you did a really good job. Seriously!

cornoffcob · December 2005

Originally posted by ZivaDomini
There's nothing wrong with being proud of your nation, it's when that pride blinds you and makes you arrogent that it becomes a problem.
Frankly, I'm proud to be an American, I'm also proud that my family is from Germany, and proud of my Irish heritage also. But I don't hate someone from Iraq solely because we're at war with a handful of guys from there.
But what I do is the overly sensitive crybabies out there. The ones who feel the need to say "I'm not black, I'm African American." or "I'm not Mexican, I'm hispanic." Stfu. Get over it. Move on. It's a word, it's not meant to be offensive, it's just a word that we use to describe you. If you can't get past something as simple as a word that isn't being used to offend you, then just step aside and stay behind while the rest of the world moves on without you.

"i'm not white i'm irish/german/scottish- american and i expect to be called it too"

Nevinyrral · December 2005

I don't say whatever I want about the old scriptures of the Bible. I say what they really said

Eh, thats not exactly what I meant to say, like I said, I have a hard time putting thoughts into words. I meant it more like 'You can chose to believe the old scriptures and if you want to use them as part of an argument then fine, but I have a tendency to believe what I have been taught and what feels right to me.' Still doesn't sound exactly like I want it to....but it gets the just of it. If youre going to try to convince me that the some things in the bible are just twisted versions of the old scriptures, then you are going to have to provide me with more information then one obscure website that no one has ever heard of. (Because believe it or not, people can lie and miss-inform other people over the internet *gasp*) Seriously though, if you can provide me with some more information (Example: Websites from trustable, unbiased organizations or books written by a respectable person(s)) then I will mull all of this over in my mind. I would do this myself, but I don't exactly have the time since I have to study, and take, 8 semester tests over the course of 3 days.

Non of the violence, hatred, bigotry, or hipocrisy is ever going to go away until people seek the facts and show courage enough to believe them.

None of the violence, hatred, bigotry, or hypocrisy is ever going to go away, period. If you believe that it will someday, then I wish I lived in the fantasy world you live in.

Ummm, we are not talking about 'way back when', we are talking about the here and now (as far as I know, if I missed something please tell me). I will agree with you that a majority of the people against the civil rights movement were conservatives, but you have to realize that the ideas of people and groups change (As I believe they have).

Oh and BTW. For someone who doesn't like political debates because you feel you have a hard time putting your thoughts to words, you did a really good job. Seriously!

I hope that wasn't sarcasm.

As for what you said Razorback, I also live in a rural area, in southern Arkansas and have visited many other rural areas. I don't know where you get the idea that all rural areas are filled with racists, seeing as how I have only met a very select few. Actually, I believe I met more racists during my field trip to New York then I ever did here.....odd.

lokker · December 2005

[quote]Originally posted by Razorback
[b]So after 10 years of a right wing, conservative government with a basically devisive and racist agenda against anyone of non WASP decent, we now see the results on the streets of Sydney's suburbs.
To my complete disbelief but not much surprise so called "Lebanese" youths clashed with so called "Australian" youths resulting in stabbings and other injuries as well as over 100 cars smashed up, ala Paris of earlier this year.
I can not understand why we have young men BORN IN THIS COUNTRY who identify themselves as "Lebanese" fighting with young men some of whom were no doubt not born in Australia but fit the "accepted profile" of being white and aryan looking so they think they are automatically Australian.
My take on it is basically that people who were born in Australia need to call themselves Australians along with anyone who likes the place enough to call it home. If this was the case then what is there to fight over ???
The trouble starts when people want to call themselves citizens of another country and the irony is that in 99% of cases they left that country to escape the very violence and stupidity they now want to import to this country.
Nationalism, patriotism, supremicism, these are notions that the modern world simply cannot afford anymore. This planet is not big enough for every dozen people with a similar surname to claim they are somehow different enough to warrant violence and separation.
All I can say is I wish my life was so empty and my mind so devoid of sense that I could find time and motivation to act the way these idiots do. As Cypher so accurately observed to Agent Smith in the Matrix, "Ignorance is bliss"!
Story...
[url=http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10119,17546773,00.html]
[url=http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200512/s1529329.htm]
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Its because people dont respect anything , evrybody thinks they are better then next person beside them. Just look at Europe I swer that every country has some ugly nickname for ther neighboor countrys and what it even makes worse people living in those countrys have insulting nicknames for specific region, citys, zones and streets. There is no place among modern humans for people who delute them self of beeing better then other beacuse of color of ther skin. As I answerd once to a question about what nationality I like girls to be: " I really could not care less they are all same when lights are off" and I still have not changes my opinion. LOL

Razorback · December 2005

Lokker thats basically how I see it too.

Im 40y/o next year and I have learned that there is no way you can proceed in life with the kinds of predjudices that make you think its ok to have an opinion about someone else as a human being. Beyond the obvious issues of our effect on each other, people are all very similar, we all want food, shelter and love, no matter how we are or what we look like.

When you realise that 99.99% of peoples actions toward others of a different race or background, are motivated by a combination of fear and ignornce, you have to decide for yourself if you want to give in to your fear and ignorance or try and overcome it. It is so easy to give in to predjudice that for most of us it takes a constant effort not to.

I mean lets face it racism is a natural state of mind that we have evolved into over millions of years. Back in the cave days, being able to recognise your own tribe and distinguish another was a survival mechanism. Its no surprise that some people have had trouble overcoming thier own DNA's instructions for them to react defensively toward people who appear to be different. Realising that the fear and suspicion we feel toward other races is natural and even good is the first step. The second step is overcoming those feelings with reason, logic, decency, empathy and civility. The alternative is giving in to your fear and mistrust and acting upon it. What we have seen in Australia is the results of the alternative overcoming many people.

When I say that much of Australia is inherently racist Im not saying it as some controversial insult to provoke a reaction. I am making an observation based on people's behavior. Being racist is fine, like I said its a survival mechanism. How you respond to your racism is where the real test of your humanity comes in to play. Eventually if you act civily and interact with other races you realise that your brain has been lying to you about these people all along, you learn, you grow and you reach the point where you stop noticing other people's differences. Im not there yet either... but at least I see the road. Most Australians are to busy wallowing in their blindness to even realise the road exists.

I have been saying since I was like 5 years old that I cant understand why the world has countries, why those countries are split into regions and those regions into suburbs and neighborhoods. Because if you look around, you can even see people fighting over who's street is best, let alone whos country is best.

Division breeds division, notions of nationalism, patriotism etc just feed into that division. There is no reason to have these divisions, we are just conditioned into thinking there is.

"Your so civilised, you get brutalised, your so civilised, man I watch you get beat down" Henry Rollins

Henry is so right as usual. Rollins for President!

reavo · December 2005

Originally posted by Nevinyrral

Eh, thats not exactly what I meant to say, like I said, I have a hard time putting thoughts into words. I meant it more like 'You can chose to believe the old scriptures and if you want to use them as part of an argument then fine, but I have a tendency to believe what I have been taught and what feels right to me.' Still doesn't sound exactly like I want it to....but it gets the just of it. If youre going to try to convince me that the some things in the bible are just twisted versions of the old scriptures, then you are going to have to provide me with more information then one obscure website that no one has ever heard of. (Because believe it or not, people can lie and miss-inform other people over the internet *gasp*) Seriously though, if you can provide me with some more information (Example: Websites from trustable, unbiased organizations or books written by a respectable person(s)) then I will mull all of this over in my mind. I would do this myself, but I don't exactly have the time since I have to study, and take, 8 semester tests over the course of 3 days.

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I could provide you with a million websites, I just picked that one because it was very clear and from a reputable person. Believe it or not, there are actually churches in the states who are beginning to teach what the Bible really says too. I would challenge you to look yourself when you have some time though. I understand about school, I'm working on my masters right now in Political Science and have two Bachelor's. But, I think you will be amazed at what you find. And as far as books go, just check Amazon with a simple search of Christianity and Homosexuality. Again, tons of stuff on there. But actually, just wait and keep watching whats going on in this country. There is a huge movement of Biblical scholars (most of which are Hebrew scholars) who are beginning to challenge the recent evangelical teachings going on here in the states. And I think it's about time. These lies that drive people away from Christ have been going on in the states for much too long now. And it's scary what they could turn into. You know the Nazi's didn't just kill the Jews.
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None of the violence, hatred, bigotry, or hypocrisy is ever going to go away, period. If you believe that it will someday, then I wish I lived in the fantasy world you live in.

Ummm, we are not talking about 'way back when', we are talking about the here and now (as far as I know, if I missed something please tell me). I will agree with you that a majority of the people against the civil rights movement were conservatives, but you have to realize that the ideas of people and groups change (As I believe they have).

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Uhmm.. Actually they are still the same ideas as before. The conservatives still look to the old days nostalgically. The world is changing. People are becoming more enlightened. Science is proving things that mythology used to try to prove except that science is doing it quantitatively. And all that is okay. Like I said, sometimes it takes courage to face the truth. Oh and one thing I want to make really clear. When I say "conservative" I am not talking about the Republican party. A true Republican is for smaller government and smaller taxes. But that party has been hijacked by the "Christian" right. Go back and read about Jerry Falwell and his Christian Coalition someday when you have some time and you'll see when they really got going.

But I don't live in a fantasy world. I know that people are mean. I look at the pictures and hear the stories of how people acted in the U.S. towards blacks in the 50's and 60's. Those make me sick. And that was only a few decades ago. The same attitudes are still around. It's going to take a long time to get rid of those attitudes, if ever. But our survival depends upon it.
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I hope that wasn't sarcasm.

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Nope, I meant it sincerely. It's actually nice to hear someone on these boards who can carry on a good argument.
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As for what you said Razorback, I also live in a rural area, in southern Arkansas and have visited many other rural areas. I don't know where you get the idea that all rural areas are filled with racists, seeing as how I have only met a very select few. Actually, I believe I met more racists during my field trip to New York then I ever did here.....odd.

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Hahaha, I had a buddy in the Navy from Arkansas. That guy could put away some booze. We had some excellent times. And he was one of the coolest dudes in the world to talk to.
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