Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.
But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.
I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.
"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"
Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.
I could post tons and tons of material about how violent fantasy stories actually are but theres no need to,question is how people see MMO fantasy worlds so differently than they likes to watch or read fantasy stories.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Somewhere within the 2.0 release, there should be PvP functionality with the Grand Companies.
That's pretty far out though...
If you like PvP (like me), you are just going to have to hold out and have some faith in Yoshida - who happens to be an intense PvPer.
I can't believe such a boring straight forward game like this could have an oh so amazing and better PvP than other existing matured MMOs, anytime soon. And by soon I mean years (I agree it's far out).
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.
You obviously do not understand bedtime stories. They are meant to educate you that violence is bad and that conflict can be resolved without violence, intelligence and wisdom wins over strength, good wins against evil. Exactly the opposite what you are trying to insinuate here.
But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.
I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.
"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"
Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.
Then you should play FFXI and FFXIV:ARR. They have story, ethernal conflicts, wars and the fight of good versus evil with a history (FFXI) that rivals LotR.
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.
You obviously do not understand bedtime stories. They are meant to educate you that violence is bad and that conflict can be resolved without violence, intelligence and wisdom wins over strength, good wins against evil. Exactly the opposite what you are trying to insinuate here.
But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.
I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.
"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"
Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.
Then you should play FFXI and FFXIV:ARR. They have story, ethernal conflicts, wars and the fight of good versus evil with a history (FFXI) that rivals LotR.
Problem is that you dont seem to understand that there is fans of Big Bad Wolf and there is fans of Three Little Pigs + there is that Bear dude with 2handed club who usually gave a lesson or two to BBW, i was fan of him.
Try to imagine your own fantasy story about them,like we should be able to do in virtual fantasy worlds,its not the same anymore since Big Bad Wolf is not operating like he should.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.
PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.
Also here are the reasons for PVP!
1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)
2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)
3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)
4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.
PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.
Also here are the reasons for PVP!
1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)
2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)
3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)
4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)
You are making very good points but the question remains: Why the need to compete by killing each other when there are other ways to compete?
Why can't you compete on a non violent level? There are challenges in good MMOs that let you "beat" other players in. There is no need for PvP at all to have competition. All violence based competitions are extremely simple and focused on one thing: beating someone up or killing them. In history they catered to simple minded folk as a means to keep them distracted. It still works to this day with the press and TV glorifying "The War on X" and simple sports like boxing or kickboxing, full contact and others.
You can dress it up all you want, but it remains the same.
I know it is coming, but there is really nothing wrong with a game without pvp, especially if it is designed that way from the ground up. What bothers me about pvp is not pvp itself, I actually enjoy it. It is when they try to balance the game for pvp and pve at the same time. They fix one thing, break another. Fix something for pvp, break it for pve. It was endemic in WoW back in the day.
That said, when pvp is not mandatory to enjoy they game, and you are only exposed to griefing toolbags on a voluntary basis, and they can implement it without buggering up the rest of the game, then go for it. No skin off my ass, and the more people the merrier...well, you know, after folks can log in.
You do realize basketball, soccer, football, or even table tannis are actually more violent than a pvp video game right? Since they can acutally cause physical trauma.
If you are going to take mental trauma into account then even chess is violent, i cried for 3 days after lost to my 12 year old nephew, that was so brutal.
You do realize basketball, soccer, football, or even table tannis are actually more violent than a pvp video game right? Since they can acutally cause physical trauma.
If you are going to take mental trauma into account then even chess is violent, i cried for 3 days after lost to my 12 year old nephew, that was so brutal.
This.
And childrens bed time stories are more violent and brutal than todays MMOs.
its crazy.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Excuses like "they are adding it soon" etc... are so funny. They floated PvP out there and gave the impression that it was already in game. They certainly (at least to my knowledge) never came out with a solid "PvP is not in game yet" statement prior to launch.
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Square simply too quiet,i guess they don't like to spread rumors before work is actually near completed but yes they are going to have pvp.
FFXI has a few ways to take part in pvp and they are actually good ideas just proof that VERY few care about pvp because hardly anyone uses it.
Since Yoshi is a fan of other games,you can bet you will see all the normal pvp ideas and more.Example FFXI just added Monstrosity and talk is they will have pvp using that system,it just adds a new dimension to fun game play.Point is no worries,the game was rushed,ALL content ideas you expect will be there along with ideas other games do not have.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
other people have explained the pvp but lol you can have your own opinion and there are some great games i like baseball, nfl hockey rugby maybe even tennis sure but saying combat sports is not a true sport is just an aloof opinion, the less and less rules that exist, martial arts competition, while not a team event, is the truest sport and one of the originals, most sports games are really for kids and people not only take it too far socially but its something to do or are bombarded by the media playing up certain athletic events and ignoring others, in combat sports not only must the competitors test their skills against each other in a high paced, painful, dangerous match, they must show courage, fortitude, its more than just shooting a ball into a hoop , running a 15 yard sprint really fast, while the new american mma crowd contains characters of questionable character i think you would have a bad argument saying combat sports are not real sports when they are the truest real competition, and while it may combat may seem brainless it requires a deeper strength of character and skillset than anything else in life, for example as musashi stated in his book, craftsmen may appear to have skill in their trade but they do not have any true spirit, its only found in combat competition
Originally posted by VassagoMael Excuses like "they are adding it soon" etc... are so funny. They floated PvP out there and gave the impression that it was already in game. They certainly (at least to my knowledge) never came out with a solid "PvP is not in game yet" statement prior to launch.
Well as far as that goes, they did. Lord knows I'm not going to go try and find whatever obscure post it was saying so, but they did say "PVP is slated for patch 2.1" (or 2.2, whatever it was) before phase 4 beta.
Whether that's acceptable or not, I don't know. But there was notice.
Let me start by saying, this is a great game. I've played the beta. I enjoyed to so much that I almost bought it.
The gameplay is perfect. The exact kind of mmo I , and most , were waiting for.
My only issue : There is no PVP!!!!. Like wtf?
I love PvE as much as the next, but lets face it. I want to test my abilities against my friends and people I don't know. I want something to do besides PvE content.
I really love this game but PvE alone won't keep their play base high. They need to add PvP content asap. Maybe I will give this game another look if they do, until then. I will wait on EQN.
Let me start by saying I have no interest in Final Fantasy one way or another.
I find it amusing anytime someone makes a post like this. Clearly the game isn't focused on the PvP market so yes, if PvP is what you are after this game isn't for you.
It is like someone saying "Wtf Spongebob Squarepants, why is there no sex and violence in this?"
You do realize basketball, soccer, football, or even table tannis are actually more violent than a pvp video game right? Since they can acutally cause physical trauma.
If you are going to take mental trauma into account then even chess is violent, i cried for 3 days after lost to my 12 year old nephew, that was so brutal.
This.
And childrens bed time stories are more violent and brutal than todays MMOs.
its crazy.
I am sorry if i was not clear, you seem to have problems understanding, i will try one last time to explain.
This is not about violence in games, in stories or possible injuries in sports. I feel there is a lack of understanding and the ability to differentiate between violent and non-violent competition. So please forgive me if i stop responding as nothing further can be gained by prolonging this discussion.
Did you ever see a lead dev ranked #1 in pvp ? Naoki Yoshida was rank #1 in DaoC.
This man breath competitive pvp and pve. He just dint have the time in one year to get everything done. But pvp will come to FF ARR. And i expect nothing but the best from this legend.
One does not simply become number one in DaoC.....to become #1 you need to have bloodlust and madness in a perfect balance.
* PVP arena 4v4 and 8v8 in Wolves Den will be released in 2.1 in November 2013. ( confirmed)
* 3 faction fighting over forts will be implemented in patch 2.2 or 2.3. ( confirmed) ie FEB 2014 - May 2014.
* PVP gear will resembles animals, completely different set of skills and gear for pvp to seperate it completely from PVE system. (confirmed)
* Frontlines will be a free PVP zone open 24/7. ( confirmed)
the game will have awesome PvP because of how optimized the graphics engine and servers. and also you can see the glimse of pvp in their skills for jobs.
Why the need to beat up other players? Is this some sort of inner rage that has to be taken out electronically? I never understood PvP fanatics and to be honest most of them are griefers taking pleasure in ruining other peoples fun.
There is no need for PvP ever, there is not even ONE good reason for PvP. It's childish, antisocial and completely pointless.
lol.... are you serious?
YES
By your logic there would be no basketball, no soccer, no hokey, no boxing, no martial arts, no nothing, people would sit around and drink tea...and MAYBE play chess or checkers, because apparently if you compete that makes you a raging maniac...according to u.
What does Basketball have to do with beating up other people and a game for that matter? Competitive sports have nothing to do with this and are something completely different. Exceptions are Boxing or any similar violent "sport" that in my opinion is not asport at all. Violent sports and PvP serves the same purpose that it did in ancient Rome: To give the masses a release for their anger. Look it up, you might learn something.
Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.
PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.
Also here are the reasons for PVP!
1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)
2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)
3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)
4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)
You are making very good points but the question remains: Why the need to compete by killing each other when there are other ways to compete?
Why can't you compete on a non violent level? There are challenges in good MMOs that let you "beat" other players in. There is no need for PvP at all to have competition. All violence based competitions are extremely simple and focused on one thing: beating someone up or killing them. In history they catered to simple minded folk as a means to keep them distracted. It still works to this day with the press and TV glorifying "The War on X" and simple sports like boxing or kickboxing, full contact and others.
You can dress it up all you want, but it remains the same.
Why is it you see it as violent when people are killing each other ingames and not violent when you kill an npc in games. Both are the same, so because the human, troll, whatever your killing happens to be an npc its not considered violent.
Seriously your being incredibly trivial about this. Using your logic we shouldnt even kill squirrels we should probably feed them a nut instead.
PvE is always static. PvP is never static.
I dont get how mmo's in this day and age can release a half baked mmo with promises of upcoming features that should be in the game to start.
Why is it you see it as violent when people are killing each other ingames and not violent when you kill an npc in games. Both are the same, so because the human, troll, whatever your killing happens to be an npc its not considered violent.
Seriously your being incredibly trivial about this. Using your logic we shouldnt even kill squirrels we should probably feed them a nut instead.
Again you misunderstand what i was saying and i said it in the simplest way i could: "I am not against violence in games".
PvE is always static. PvP is never static.
I'll bite and make a counter argument:
Nothing could be further from the truth. It's the exact opposite.
PvP is static and repetitive, the only thing you do is kill others over and over. 1 motivation, 1 means, 1 outcome. Take castle A lose castle B, Take Castle B, lose castle A. It's mind numbingly boring and futile. Makes no sense at all.
PvE is always changing, new areas to explore, Puzzles to be solved, new stories to unfold, new dungeons to explore, new bosses to fight and conquer. (of cause you can repeat that but that is by choice not by design. PvP is by design repetitive)
I dont get how mmo's in this day and age can release a half baked mmo with promises of upcoming features that should be in the game to start.
What should and should not be in a game is not for you to decide. your opinion is of no consequence because there are hundreds of thousands other opinions that are different than yours.
If you do enjoy PvP in the shape and form it has been implemented in some other MMOs, then that is fine. Have fun! Games should be about fun, right? But you need to see that you are not entitled to get whatever you want or can expect everyone to appeal to your every whim!
Let me start by saying, this is a great game. I've played the beta. I enjoyed to so much that I almost bought it.
The gameplay is perfect. The exact kind of mmo I , and most , were waiting for.
My only issue : There is no PVP!!!!. Like wtf?
I love PvE as much as the next, but lets face it. I want to test my abilities against my friends and people I don't know. I want something to do besides PvE content.
I really love this game but PvE alone won't keep their play base high. They need to add PvP content asap. Maybe I will give this game another look if they do, until then. I will wait on EQN.
No PVP?!! omg now I am getting it for sure. Don't get me wrong I am an avid PVP ever since I first picked up WoW and played it. The problem I have is the balancing act that the devs have to do with pve/pvp abilities and how they work. One nerf/buff effects the other one and all the whining and crying that comes with it. I missed EQ1 and EQ2 BEFORE they had PVP. Even Blizz admitted that they wished they never made arenas due to balancing.
You do realize basketball, soccer, football, or even table tannis are actually more violent than a pvp video game right? Since they can acutally cause physical trauma.
If you are going to take mental trauma into account then even chess is violent, i cried for 3 days after lost to my 12 year old nephew, that was so brutal.
This.
And childrens bed time stories are more violent and brutal than todays MMOs.
its crazy.
I am sorry if i was not clear, you seem to have problems understanding, i will try one last time to explain.
This is not about violence in games, in stories or possible injuries in sports. I feel there is a lack of understanding and the ability to differentiate between violent and non-violent competition. So please forgive me if i stop responding as nothing further can be gained by prolonging this discussion.
Hehe yea,barbarians ,warlocks and necromancers are best sport players,they try to live their lives so they wont hurt anyone.
This is exactly one of those reason why players beats MMO games in 2 days and write topics"i beat the game,im bored,now what ",because there is no competition ,its like Frodo running to Mt.Doom without the enemy.
Sure you can say that its sports now ,who runs fastest to Mt.Doom but would you like to read the Lord Of The Rings book like that?
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014. **On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
This is what I hear when people whine about no PVP
"Waaahh! I can't grief other players! I can;t kill all the noobs 30 levels below me! Waahhh, how else am I going to make up for my crappy life?"
This is what i hear from peeps who dont know what PvP even is.
First of all ,all those "noobs" 30 levels below you,knows that it might happen and they dont cry like you.
Shit happens in fantasy worlds,even Luke got ganked pretty hard by higher level character and lost his hand,and what did he do? he paid back and thats what people can do in PvP games / fantasy worlds.
+but,like for example WoW where its not possible to pay even back anymore because of xserver technology they made an environment where actions are not controlled by players anymore ,where environment prevents players actions,those are gankers paradises and role-players who want full rules are playing against impossible enemy called E.
++other tools ,lfg whatever bg etc.
MMORPG's are about the player base against the designated evil. Not players against other players. Thats what shooters are for and madden.
your'e dead wrong mmorpgs have always been about player verse player conflict. thats why guild are formed and alliences made. If you like carebear games cool emote to a sunset just dont think the cearbear era represents what the history of mmorpgs has been.
FYI most pvp is between equal or close to equal players in any game. The fact that u have no skills and got ganked and rage quit a game doesnt change the facts
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And PVP is present in allmost every childrens bed time stories.
But for some reason MMO games are going further and further from fantasy stories.
I try to imagine a fantasy novel which is based on todays MMOs,goes something like this.
"Sith and Jedi made lots o babies and lived happily together the rest of their lives"
Thats exactly how todays MMOs are made of,the happy ending is the part which is only playable,theres no story,no reasons ,no history,nothing.
I could post tons and tons of material about how violent fantasy stories actually are but theres no need to,question is how people see MMO fantasy worlds so differently than they likes to watch or read fantasy stories.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
I can't believe such a boring straight forward game like this could have an oh so amazing and better PvP than other existing matured MMOs, anytime soon. And by soon I mean years (I agree it's far out).
/facepalmoftheyear
Problem is that you dont seem to understand that there is fans of Big Bad Wolf and there is fans of Three Little Pigs + there is that Bear dude with 2handed club who usually gave a lesson or two to BBW, i was fan of him.
Try to imagine your own fantasy story about them,like we should be able to do in virtual fantasy worlds,its not the same anymore since Big Bad Wolf is not operating like he should.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Wow just wow. MMO PVP is violent? lol. Also I'm a very laid back guy, not at all angry but I love PVP. Its the challenge of besting another human being, which quite frankly you can't get from PVE. Most of the PVPers I know as friends, arent the angry unsocialable people you make them out to be, quite the opposite.
PVP isn't childish its just another play style, its not anti-social as you need to work in a team and again its not pointless.
Also here are the reasons for PVP!
1. Risk vs reward (You risk death/gear/exp etc for greater rewards)
2. Teamwork! (unlike PVE, PVPers need to react to changes in a fight, where as PVE is pretty much predefined)
3. Adrenaline rush (nothing gets the blood pumping than winning a hard fight, never felt that in PVE and I have raided in the past)
4. Beating another player (Its hardwired in our brains to compete and to best others)
You are making very good points but the question remains: Why the need to compete by killing each other when there are other ways to compete?
Why can't you compete on a non violent level? There are challenges in good MMOs that let you "beat" other players in. There is no need for PvP at all to have competition. All violence based competitions are extremely simple and focused on one thing: beating someone up or killing them. In history they catered to simple minded folk as a means to keep them distracted. It still works to this day with the press and TV glorifying "The War on X" and simple sports like boxing or kickboxing, full contact and others.
You can dress it up all you want, but it remains the same.
Hmm, no pvp, yes please.
I know it is coming, but there is really nothing wrong with a game without pvp, especially if it is designed that way from the ground up. What bothers me about pvp is not pvp itself, I actually enjoy it. It is when they try to balance the game for pvp and pve at the same time. They fix one thing, break another. Fix something for pvp, break it for pve. It was endemic in WoW back in the day.
That said, when pvp is not mandatory to enjoy they game, and you are only exposed to griefing toolbags on a voluntary basis, and they can implement it without buggering up the rest of the game, then go for it. No skin off my ass, and the more people the merrier...well, you know, after folks can log in.
You do realize basketball, soccer, football, or even table tannis are actually more violent than a pvp video game right? Since they can acutally cause physical trauma.
If you are going to take mental trauma into account then even chess is violent, i cried for 3 days after lost to my 12 year old nephew, that was so brutal.
This.
And childrens bed time stories are more violent and brutal than todays MMOs.
its crazy.
So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
**On the radar: http://www.cyberpunk.net/ **
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!
Square simply too quiet,i guess they don't like to spread rumors before work is actually near completed but yes they are going to have pvp.
FFXI has a few ways to take part in pvp and they are actually good ideas just proof that VERY few care about pvp because hardly anyone uses it.
Since Yoshi is a fan of other games,you can bet you will see all the normal pvp ideas and more.Example FFXI just added Monstrosity and talk is they will have pvp using that system,it just adds a new dimension to fun game play.Point is no worries,the game was rushed,ALL content ideas you expect will be there along with ideas other games do not have.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well as far as that goes, they did. Lord knows I'm not going to go try and find whatever obscure post it was saying so, but they did say "PVP is slated for patch 2.1" (or 2.2, whatever it was) before phase 4 beta.
Whether that's acceptable or not, I don't know. But there was notice.
And this is how I feel when I hear "no PvP in this game"
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Let me start by saying I have no interest in Final Fantasy one way or another.
I find it amusing anytime someone makes a post like this. Clearly the game isn't focused on the PvP market so yes, if PvP is what you are after this game isn't for you.
It is like someone saying "Wtf Spongebob Squarepants, why is there no sex and violence in this?"
I am sorry if i was not clear, you seem to have problems understanding, i will try one last time to explain.
This is not about violence in games, in stories or possible injuries in sports. I feel there is a lack of understanding and the ability to differentiate between violent and non-violent competition. So please forgive me if i stop responding as nothing further can be gained by prolonging this discussion.
PVP was tested on beta phase 4. PVP will be released in the first major update (november/december).
Look at the character menu:
he doesnt know.....
but i will tell you.
Did you ever see a lead dev ranked #1 in pvp ?
Naoki Yoshida was rank #1 in DaoC.
This man breath competitive pvp and pve.
He just dint have the time in one year to get everything done.
But pvp will come to FF ARR.
And i expect nothing but the best from this legend.
One does not simply become number one in DaoC.....to become #1 you need to have bloodlust and madness in a perfect balance.
Anyway !!! it will come, dont worry bud.
*Double Face Palm*
a summary of PVP in FFXIV:
* PVP arena 4v4 and 8v8 in Wolves Den will be released in 2.1 in November 2013. ( confirmed)
* 3 faction fighting over forts will be implemented in patch 2.2 or 2.3. ( confirmed) ie FEB 2014 - May 2014.
* PVP gear will resembles animals, completely different set of skills and gear for pvp to seperate it completely from PVE system. (confirmed)
* Frontlines will be a free PVP zone open 24/7. ( confirmed)
the game will have awesome PvP because of how optimized the graphics engine and servers. and also you can see the glimse of pvp in their skills for jobs.
Why is it you see it as violent when people are killing each other ingames and not violent when you kill an npc in games. Both are the same, so because the human, troll, whatever your killing happens to be an npc its not considered violent.
Seriously your being incredibly trivial about this. Using your logic we shouldnt even kill squirrels we should probably feed them a nut instead.
PvE is always static. PvP is never static.
I dont get how mmo's in this day and age can release a half baked mmo with promises of upcoming features that should be in the game to start.
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No PVP?!! omg now I am getting it for sure. Don't get me wrong I am an avid PVP ever since I first picked up WoW and played it. The problem I have is the balancing act that the devs have to do with pve/pvp abilities and how they work. One nerf/buff effects the other one and all the whining and crying that comes with it. I missed EQ1 and EQ2 BEFORE they had PVP. Even Blizz admitted that they wished they never made arenas due to balancing.
You, sir, made my day!!
Hehe yea,barbarians ,warlocks and necromancers are best sport players,they try to live their lives so they wont hurt anyone.
This is exactly one of those reason why players beats MMO games in 2 days and write topics"i beat the game,im bored,now what ",because there is no competition ,its like Frodo running to Mt.Doom without the enemy.
Sure you can say that its sports now ,who runs fastest to Mt.Doom but would you like to read the Lord Of The Rings book like that?
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your'e dead wrong mmorpgs have always been about player verse player conflict. thats why guild are formed and alliences made. If you like carebear games cool emote to a sunset just dont think the cearbear era represents what the history of mmorpgs has been.
FYI most pvp is between equal or close to equal players in any game. The fact that u have no skills and got ganked and rage quit a game doesnt change the facts