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  • SnarlingWolfSnarlingWolf Member Posts: 2,697
    Originally posted by ray12k
    Originally posted by Tygranir

    The greatest evil is that good men do nothing....

     

    So you're saying, because it happens, we should do nothing to disuade it? I am very glad I am not living in your world.

    say her parents did disconnect her internet, how would that protect her outside of her home? Because she is bullied, she can no longer do her online homework?

     

    I don't understand your stance, and I believe I am done trying to. Good day sir.

    Im saying I dont no what happened to this girl. Yes its a sad story, A young person kills themselves. If they dissconnected her net she wouldnt be cyber bullied...

    How does homework pertain to social sites? And as for your quote "The greatest evil is that good men do nothing" By that definition all people on this planet are evil since we do nothing to cure suffering or pain of the third world and of our homeless.

    But then again I was talking about forum trolls and you great thespians took it to the extreme in playing out the conversation that was displayed only in your minds.

     

    Um, companies banning people for bullying is doing something. Those of us who volunteer or donate to charity are doing something. Those of us who stand up for the rights of people to not be bullied online are doing something.

     

    One of the few people doing nothing (outside of insisting those who are victims of bullying are in fact the ones at fault or blaming the victims parents like you did earlier and you continue to lack the understanding of how cyber bulling pours into the real world so disconnecting from the internet once it starts does not mean it ends) here is you. I don't know how you could possibly sit there and assume that no one in the entire world is doing things to help others or to stop injustices from occurring.

    Maybe a bit of helping others would help you see more clearly.

  • LidaneLidane Member CommonPosts: 2,300
    Originally posted by Neo_Viper

    I doubt any of the people posting here would want to live in a country without any law enforcement... anarchy sounds like total freedom on the paper (many actually confuse freedom and anarchy), but at the end it's only freedom for those at the top of the food chain. See "Mad Max".

    See also: Somalia. No functioning government to speak of and  an entire populace held to the whims of heavily armed warlords.

     

  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212
    Other game companies have claimed they were going to take this sort of hard line approach, and never ended up doing anything of the sort, so it remains to be seen how far they will go... However, I don't see how this level of policing is a bad thing at all. It's about damned time people were taken to task for using internet anonymity as a shield to act like sociopaths and get away with it.

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  • KellerKeller Member UncommonPosts: 602

    Banning exploiters and hackers : very good thing, no need to explain why.

    Banning trolls from SOE forums : very good, as long as a large part of the community does not want to post, because they believe they will be trolled/flamed/bullied on the forums, the banstick should be ready. You cannot have a tiny group terrorize your fans and customers.

     

    Banning negative feedback givers because of what they posted on social media or third party forums, that is not a good thing. However this has not happened. So why start pointing at SOE for something they have not done? Trust me when it has happened, I am pretty sure enough people are standing ready to tear them a new one.

  • OmaliOmali MMO Business CorrespondentMember UncommonPosts: 1,177
    Originally posted by ray12k

    Lol their is no debate.... You are talking about a world that is in your head. So it means nothing. You think your opinions are that of society, they are not.

    You even went as low as to bring a story of a teenager who died. Which in my years of reading forums is prob. the lowest i seen someone go to try and prove a point.

    To be honest im sure if we had a poll many would say you would fit right into  soe's new policy.

    I live in the real world not in your fairy tail...

    You can expect any anti-bullying policy to not go down well with bullies like Ray12k. 

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  • LowcaianLowcaian Member Posts: 265

    Been out of the loop for some time, have communities really gone downhill that fast? I spent 7 years in SWG, did short stints in EVE and SWTOR. I've never had any problems with asshats. Sure once or twice there was some person who felt the need to threaten to kill me but I didn't pay much attention to that.

    99.99% of the time I've been with great people online and we had a lot of fun. You make it sound like communities have turned into hell on earth in the last year or two.

     

     

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Lowcaian

    Been out of the loop for some time, have communities really gone downhill that fast? I spent 7 years in SWG, did short stints in EVE and SWTOR. I've never had any problems with asshats. Sure once or twice there was some person who felt the need to threaten to kill me but I didn't pay much attention to that.

    99.99% of the time I've been with great people online and we had a lot of fun. You make it sound like communities have turned into hell on earth in the last year or two.

     

     

    WEll .. the 0.01% can ruin your day ... particularly if dead threat and other form of aggressive bullying is involved.

  • LowcaianLowcaian Member Posts: 265
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Lowcaian

    Been out of the loop for some time, have communities really gone downhill that fast? I spent 7 years in SWG, did short stints in EVE and SWTOR. I've never had any problems with asshats. Sure once or twice there was some person who felt the need to threaten to kill me but I didn't pay much attention to that.

    99.99% of the time I've been with great people online and we had a lot of fun. You make it sound like communities have turned into hell on earth in the last year or two.

     

     

    WEll .. the 0.01% can ruin your day ... particularly if dead threat and other form of aggressive bullying is involved.

    I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

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  • nariusseldonnariusseldon Member EpicPosts: 27,775
    Originally posted by Lowcaian
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Lowcaian

    Been out of the loop for some time, have communities really gone downhill that fast? I spent 7 years in SWG, did short stints in EVE and SWTOR. I've never had any problems with asshats. Sure once or twice there was some person who felt the need to threaten to kill me but I didn't pay much attention to that.

    99.99% of the time I've been with great people online and we had a lot of fun. You make it sound like communities have turned into hell on earth in the last year or two.

     

     

    WEll .. the 0.01% can ruin your day ... particularly if dead threat and other form of aggressive bullying is involved.

    I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

    You don't .. other may. Cyber bullying is a real problem.

  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by Lowcaian
     

    I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

    If a letter that concerns you arrived in your mail box in front of your house, would that be any different than an email in your inbox?

    A telephone is also 'just a box connected by wires'.

     

    And I really don't think the 'blame the victim' line helps your argument.

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  • LowcaianLowcaian Member Posts: 265
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Lowcaian
    Originally posted by nariusseldon
    Originally posted by Lowcaian

    Been out of the loop for some time, have communities really gone downhill that fast? I spent 7 years in SWG, did short stints in EVE and SWTOR. I've never had any problems with asshats. Sure once or twice there was some person who felt the need to threaten to kill me but I didn't pay much attention to that.

    99.99% of the time I've been with great people online and we had a lot of fun. You make it sound like communities have turned into hell on earth in the last year or two.

     

     

    WEll .. the 0.01% can ruin your day ... particularly if dead threat and other form of aggressive bullying is involved.

    I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

    You don't .. other may. Cyber bullying is a real problem.

    I never said it wasn't but is it a problem because the bullie can actually hurt them or is it a problem because actions are given more significance than they should in their own heads? It may wary depending on situation but I bet that it is the latter in a majority of the cases.

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  • LowcaianLowcaian Member Posts: 265
    Originally posted by jpnz
    Originally posted by Lowcaian
     

    I don't take those threats from some kid seriously and I think it's a generation thing. I am old, I know that the net is not real life. If I were to play amateur psychologist I'd say that to younger people the line between real life and the things you do online is blurred, to some so much that there is no line and that is why  they overreact the way they do, both as bullies and victims. They simply lack the ability to take a step back and see that It's just a box connected by wires that you can use to talk to others that you know nothing about and vice versa.

    If a letter that concerns you arrived in your mail box in front of your house, would that be any different than an email in your inbox?

    A telephone is also 'just a box connected by wires'.

     

    And I really don't think the 'blame the victim' line helps your argument.

    I really don't care about letters be they electronic or old fashioned paper unless I have a real reason to fear.

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  • JRRNeiklotJRRNeiklot Member UncommonPosts: 129
    Where does it stop?  They ban you from half a dozen games because you mouthed off on twitter?  Maybe they disagree with your stance on abortion, so they ban you then.  Nah, that'd never happen, no way some entity would ever ban someone based on their political or religious beliefs...  Not to mention, the very idea of Sony following me around on Twitter, Facebook, etc is just creepy.  I don't even use Facebook or Twitter, but I won't be buying anything else from Sony - online or otherwise.  What I do outside of their games and forums is my own affair.
  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by JRRNeiklot
    Where does it stop?  They ban you from half a dozen games because you mouthed off on twitter?  Maybe they disagree with your stance on abortion, so they ban you then.  Nah, that'd never happen, no way some entity would ever ban someone based on their political or religious beliefs...  Not to mention, the very idea of Sony following me around on Twitter, Facebook, etc is just creepy.  I don't even use Facebook or Twitter, but I won't be buying anything else from Sony - online or otherwise.  What I do outside of their games and forums is my own affair.

    I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing that Sony bans people who issue death threats online.

    As a consumer one can accept this policy and buy Sony products or not, which every other consumer has the rights to as well.

    I'm for this policy so yes, I will buy Sony products; esp the PS4!

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  • SpacemyfaceSpacemyface Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    It is amazing how many people are missing the bigger picture here and failing to think outside of the box.

    Seriously though. this approach should never be seriously considered by gaming companies, and the fact that so many people think it's a great idea for a gaming company to search through your life outside of their particular gaming world is kind of scary... their jurisdiction should end when you leave their realm. they have no business snooping around anywhere else.

    i suppose in theory, it sounds nice. sure, weed out all of the abusive jerks and undesirables...but at what cost of personal freedom? why should a gamer feel the need to look over their shoulder and question if what they said was ok out of fear that they'll be banned from an enjoyable pastime of theirs? this concept is crazy talk. it's a game. they shouldn't be able to look at personal details.

    what's next? making players pass a criminal background check before being able to play a freaking game? this whole concept is like the 1984 of the gaming world...and yes these principles reach far beyond this small spectrum of online activity. ...cough NSA cough

  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    It is amazing how many people are missing the bigger picture here and failing to think outside of the box.

     

    Sheep don't think 'outside the box'.  They live inside it.

     

    Fact of the matter is that they are not weeding out jerks and people that "troll" others.  They are banning people that don't agree with what it is the developers do. Question the developers about their choices in a game get labeled a "troll" by the fanbois and you will find yourself getting suspended or banned.  

    They have already begun doing this in Planetside 2....

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  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by Spacemyface
     

    /snip

    what's next? making players pass a criminal background check before being able to play a freaking game? this whole concept is like the 1984 of the gaming world...and yes these principles reach far beyond this small spectrum of online activity. ...cough NSA cough

    Last I checked, Sony isn't hacking Twitter or your Facebook account.

    The gamers themselves have to give authorisation to Sony.

    Don't like that, don't buy Sony products.

    Difference between this and 1984/NSA is that one is voluntary and one is mandatory.

    If you can't see the difference, well, look harder. :P

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  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,952
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    Well I guess few agree with me on this one. I can see something like this easily getting out of hand, but everyone else seems to want to be under thumb as much here as anywhere else.

    awww people disagree with you so you are going to try to trivialize their opinion.

    please.

    I respect and agree that any type of authority over what people post/say can lead to a restriction in freedom.

    What you are saying is not thinking outside  the box because quite frankly all you are doing is repeating what has been discussed over longer than the web has  been  in existence.

    Or do you think the death of Socrates was for giggles and laughs?

    The discussion of restricting what people can say as well as granting freedoms to what they can say is a constant balancing act.

    If you give someone too much freedom you are going to get people posting signs in front of other people's lawns in the name of "freedom of expression" or "being able to voice your opinion" no matter how harmful it is to an individual. If you take away someone's freedom to voice their concern for something that the government or some organization is doing then you could get large social issues.

    I should not be able to walk up to anyone and start blathering in their face about how ugly they are or stand in the lobby of some media company and decry the fact that their products show nudity or discuss creationism.

    There is a reason we have laws and those laws are going to constantly be tested and tried. This is a good thing. The "everything goes" mentality just doesn't work because "certain people" can't keep it in their pants and feel like they have the right to be in everyone's face.

    There is a difference between throwing your opinion in someone's face and questioning whether or  not an organization or individual should be doing what they are doing.

    All this will be tried and tested and re-evaluated along the way.

    This is just one small link in a chain that goes back wayyyyyy before any of us were born and will extend well beyond when we are dead (unfortunately).

     

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  • urdrielurdriel Member UncommonPosts: 31


     

    Originally posted by Tygranir

    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

    Originally posted by Distopia

    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989 Originally posted by Nevulus Bravo SOE.   And if you think a lawyer will control who they ban and don't ban from their own online service, apparently you've never read a EULA. Good luck with that.
     Sorry, but EULA's don't go over actual law ;).
    Regardless, SOE is based in the US, here any company has the right to refuse service.
    The right to refuse service, correct. But you cannot take someone's money and then refuse them service.
    They can if you violate the terms of service that you agree to


    WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,¡¡¡¡¡

    So, if I buy a new car, and i talk shyt about it in internet, the company can send an employee to MY house and steal MY car??

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  • jpnzjpnz Member Posts: 3,529
    Originally posted by urdriel

     


    WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,WAIT,¡¡¡¡¡

    So, if I buy a new car, and i talk shyt about it in internet, the company can send an employee to MY house and steal MY car??

    They can go to court if you violated the contract when you purchased the car.

    If you use your telephone to do phone-scams, your telephone provider can (and certain do) revoke that phone.

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  • TinybinaTinybina Member Posts: 2,130
    Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
    Originally posted by DrCokePepsi

     


    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    http://www.pcgamesn.com/planetside/soe-ban-players-extreme-behaviour-outside-their-games

     

    “Not only will we ban your forum account, but if it's serious enough we'll call up customer service and have you banned from all of our games,” SOE community relations director Linda Carlson told GamesIndustry. “We do not need those individuals as customers.”

    Carlson was very clear - it doesn’t matter how influential a player might be, or what position they hold in what guild: “we’ll still ban them”.

    “In our games, if you are an exploiter we don't care who you are, how big your guild is, how many people you threaten to take with you when you go,” she said.

    “We can control anybody who's playing our games...[but] if we know who you are and you're abusing somebody on Twitter, we will ban your game account and we will not accept you as a customer ever again. It's not always possible to identify people [in that way], but we take that seriously.”

    SOE uphold different standards for each of their games: they wouldn’t expect the same kind of behaviour in a competitive shooter like Planetside 2 as they would in a collaborative MMO like EverQuest. But Carlson said standards do need to exist, in clearly-stated form - and that SOE need to reinforce them with bans for bad behaviour both in and outside their games when necessary.

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    When I first read this I was like yay... Deal with them fracking exploitiers and anti-social buggers. However, the more I read the more concerned I became. At what point is the line drawn, who are they to go picking around through social media looking for negative comments. Does it end at their own personal pages or will they go beyond that? If I call their game a bucket of trash and hope they drive their cars into a lake are they going to feel the need to ban my ass from all their games.

    It never turns out well when you threaten not only your customers but, all of the online community with the ban stick.

     

     


    Wow, SOE made a business move that isn't just out of financial gain but out of MORAL *gasp*

     

    Ya, but I agree with this in a sense. When I first started MMOs I was about 10 or 11, and I was a prick. I'd use completely profane language, I'd insult people and get into stupid arguments, it was a terrible thing, I should have been banned.

    That kind of behaviour should result in punishment, and ultimately weed out the pre-pubescent children, griefers and a-holes from the games. This is a large part of the decline of the MMO industry as well.

    I'd say kudos to you SOE, but I'm just not sure to what extent these manhunts will go, and whether or not these companies will access my personal profiles. Jokes can be misinterpreted, exaggerated anger for certain situations could be misread and so forth.
    We'll have to see how their formula works with the community.

     We'll see how much this is a moral gain when they start banning people who negatively critique their product. It all depends on how they take this approach. My bet is that they ban critics and proclaim that they, "broke their rules of agreement".

     

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  • SpacemyfaceSpacemyface Member Posts: 6
    Originally posted by Tinybina
    Originally posted by Jyiiga
    It is amazing how many people are missing the bigger picture here and failing to think outside of the box.

     

    Sheep don't think 'outside the box'.  They live inside it.

     

    Fact of the matter is that they are not weeding out jerks and people that "troll" others.  They are banning people that don't agree with what it is the developers do. Question the developers about their choices in a game get labeled a "troll" by the fanbois and you will find yourself getting suspended or banned.  

    They have already begun doing this in Planetside 2....

    like what is going on... these companies shouldn't be draconian dictatorships that carry people away in the night to never be seen again for speaking out against those who keep the servers open. i feel like im taking crazy pills over the fact that this seems acceptable to some

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