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There is no "right to free speech" on message boards
Grand_Nagus
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If you have read message boards for very long, you have probably encountered the following scenario:
1) somebody posts something that breaks the forum's rules
2) the comments get edited or deleted by forum moderators
3) the original poster or others start yelling about their "right to free speech" being violated
This may seem like common sense to many, but to the fools in #3 it obviously isnt: you have no "right to free speech" on a message board. Any so called "rights" you have regarding speech stop the moment you enter a privately owned area. Here is an example: you invite some people over to your house. One of them brings a friend, and this friend starts saying things you dont like. It could be profanity, vulgarity, politics, sports; it doesnt matter. Since it is YOUR house, then you have the right to decide who gets to be there and under what conditions. That means that you have the right to kick someone out of your house if you do not like how they are acting or talking.
The same is is true of message boards. You have no "right to free speech" on the message board. You only get to visit as long as you obey the owner's rules. So why are there so many fools who do not understand this and complain about their rights being violated when moderation occurs?
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not to mention you enter into a contract when you signup for a forum that usually, explicitly states this.
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I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
The real problem is that they don't know what "freedom of speech" is.
It's either not being taught in school anymore or someone isn't paying attention.
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Sadly, a lot of people don't know the difference between a Right and a Luxury.
It's either not being taught in school anymore or someone isn't paying attention.
It's not being taught in schools and hasn't been for a very long time. This is probably because it's not a simple thing. The courts in the U.S. are still struggling with this after hundreds of years.
Here's a page from uscourts.gov going over Freedom of Speech in the U.S.
http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/get-involved/constitution-activities/first-amendment.aspx
Which doesn't really get into a lot of detail. A page linked to from there goes into a little more detail.
http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/get-involved/constitution-activities/first-amendment/free-speech.aspx
It certainly doesn't mean that people can say anything they want, whether or not it's true. It also doesn't mean people can say what they want in any venue they want to say it in. For instance, students cannot advocate the legalization of drugs in a school newspaper, while they can do so in a local, regional or national newspaper, magazine, blog or television. Certain forms of protest, such as burning a draft card are not allowed, while others such as burning a flag are allowed.
People probably do have protections under the first amendment for their speech on internet forums, but it isn't universal and it's protected from the government restrictions, not the forum owners. If the forum owners don't want people to use the word "cheese", then the people posting can't use the word "cheese". The government won't stop them from using the word "cheese", or from posting flag burning gifs, but the forum owners can.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
You would think schools would at least touch upon the basics given that it is one of our amendments!
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/I think freedom of speech is more about being responsible for what you say, and less about being able to say whatever you want. But you must have one if you're going to have the other.
It's not being taught in schools and hasn't been for a very long time. This is probably because it's not a simple thing. The courts in the U.S. are still struggling with this after hundreds of years.
You would think schools would at least touch upon the basics given that it is one of our amendments!
I've been out of high school for a very long time, but if I remember correctly, what's taught is that the first amendment exists, not what it means. Maybe if students take an optional government class, it would be taught in more detail, but I don't recall anything like that from my school days, nor from my kids' school days.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
*puts on tinfoil hat* Implying that those in charge of our educational system want us to be aware of the details of our rights.
It is really about what you can get away with.
For example, you can get away with complaining the lack of "right of free speech" here.
very true
Not aimed at you just an example
I could respond to someones comment and say people who think like that are ( random insult ) and nothing happens
If I say "if you think that you're an ( random insult )" I get banned.
Both are insults aimed at the poster but one gets past the mod bots the other doesn't. So you do have free speech to say whatever you want to who ever you want.... you just have to put a pretty bow on it some times.
I doubt that will happen here any time soon, given the daily forum pvp here.
This is certainly not such a circumstances. The most that can happen is an account got banned, and one can easily just make another.
how do you get that?
People are rude on forums and blogs every day and i don't see forums and blogs disappearing any time soon.
I was just reading the EULA for something looking for sections on speech but this is a gem that i really love.
Licensing to Use
By posting any materials which constitute or include creative submissions, ideas, notes, concepts, comments, suggestions, feedback, information or other similar materials (collectively "creative materials") relating to ##### authors, owners or operators, our services or our system, you automatically (a) acknowledge that such creative materials shall be deemed, and shall remain, the property of ###### authors, owners and operators (b) represent and warrant that you are authorized to grant all rights in such creative materials and (c) represent and warrant that all "moral rights" in those materials have been waived with respect to the posted materials. Your disclosure, submission, offer of or posting of any creative materials shall constitute an immediate assignment to ###### authors, owners and operators of all worldwide rights, titles, and interests in all copyrights and other intellectual property rights in such materials. ##### authors, owners or operators may use, copy, reproduce, edit, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and display, create derivative works from and distribute the creative materials or incorporate the creative materials into any form, medium, or technology now known or later developed, including our services or system, and will own exclusively all such rights, titles, and interest and shall not be limited in any way in its use, commercial or otherwise, of such materials.
With regard to any and all materials posted by you, including creative materials, ##### authors, owners or operators are and shall be under no obligation to: (a) maintain any of your posted materials in confidence; (b) to pay to you or any user any compensation for any posted materials; or (3) to respond to any of your or any other members posted materials.
Every single one of those ''Hey guys I have a great idea posts I want to share with the world and hope one day to make a profit off of!!!'' posts....ya those belong to the place you post it and they can do with it what they want. Fascinating.
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freedom of speech is mostly a USA legal system.. not every nation/country has it. as such its impossible for any web based site to allow it for the simple fact, if the website is from a country that does not have FoS as a right for its population.. and you scream FoS, they have no idea what you are talking about. as well you have to take in to account all websites/forums are "private" domains they are not exactly public even though they are open to the public or allow public users, as such FoS really does not enter in to it as private domains are under the ruling of the host/owner of said location and not fully regulated by country rights/freedoms unless the site is a government website.
so anyone screaming FoS on a site be it a game site or something like youtube, you effectively have no rights outside of the rights the site provides. which is also why user accounts are property of the site that provides them and not the end user.
if a forum moderator wants to alter a post by you, they are fully within their power to do so. and you have no grounds to counter it other then issuing a formal complaint against that moderator/site.
On the subject of "free speech"
There are a lot of advocates for "free speech" as long as you say something THEY agree with.
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