Originally posted by Sal1 Is ArcheAge an open world PVP game?
If you want it to be.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
No idea what to make of all this, but my interest in the game has lessened for 2 reasons, the purer indie sandboxes and EQN that will lack a lot of the tired themepark features AA has, and other Korean MMOs that just seem more interesting and groundbreaking, such as Black Desert.
As someone who has played both Black Desert CBT and ArcheAge(been playing for months on Korean servers) - BD is inferior in all aspects other than character graphics at this time. This is the general consensus.
BD is popular because it's new, it doesn't have the depth of systems that AA has, BD is more of an action game with parkour elements - heck AA has entire underwater realms to explore, in BD you can't even go underwater yet - and crafting is laughable in BD.
Also I am not sure if you are up with the latest info - but XLGames is redoing a ton of ArcheAge content based on player feedback - the biggest part of this is removal of almost all themepark elements, so these "themepark features" are on the way out.
All MMORPGs (especially fantasy ones) have seen a drastic drop in popularity in Korea over the last couple of years - this is across the board.
IMO - Fantasy RPGs are a LOT more popular in US/EU markets than Asian markets at this point, so AA will do quite well
That is such a lie. black desert has castle sieges, open world housing and village building. Stop spreading misinformation.
It's potential for success or failure in NA/EU can't really be judged until we finally have a beta of our own. I played KR for three months and while I enjoyed it, the language barrier kept me from fully engaging and exploring the game. As there very stark differences between Korean and Western players, I'm not shocked that AA may not be doing so well at home as the game has all the hallmarks of what those of us in the West are clamoring for, not being the proto-typical Asian theme.
Many of the games not even MMORPGs and some are even sport games... lol
Need to put this "list" under the right perspective...
And how many of us in the west play a MMORPG from an internet cafe ????????
Intern cafes are best for short attention span games, arcade and action type etc....
Can we please have numbers with customers that are sure to live in appartment or some sort of room they call home ?
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None of that is in BD yet - at least not in current CBT, you probably haven't even played Black Desert and are just falling for the marketing hype at this time.
Sure they are planned features, but ArcheAge has actual castle sieges and open world housing and underwater content again which is non existent in BD.
Don't even get me started on how glitchy BD is, very buggy client.
yeah but aren't those features of the game and isn't it still being built?
Archeage is a finished game. You can't compare the two.
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Originally posted by Sukiyaki Originally posted by vzerov Actually i find the list is quite informative. If it was like, say, number 5, then maybe i would want to know what the first 4 games are, but its number 20, and the population playing it is 0.45%, does it really matter what the other 19 games are?
How can it be informative without the context of these numbers?
Obviously you don't have the right of view. You're supposed to look at it from the point of view of someone who doesn't like AA, doesn't like Trion, or who just enjoys watching things fail in some way and pointing it out to people. In that context, those numbers are really scary, especially since they are in a scary foreign language.
Twentieth in the list is very far down in the list! Thirty thousand is a small number of players! Questions like what other games and types of games are listed and what time frame the thirty thousand is referencing aren't relevant. Dur.
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So according to the list, its around half the time as WOW - so potentially could be a game with 4+ mill subs over here... Don't see that being a problem.
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...long story short, you present information taken from general nationwide PC usage...
...long story short, it follows the same path as every other popularity thread, ever:
a. Some data (insufficient, incomplete, biased in one or many ways)
b. Someone to make outrageous claims about "what this all means" (good or bad) for an individual publisher.
c. Many many someones to rush to the publisher's defense.
d. Many many someones to rush to the defense of the original claim in b.
e. A white knight and fanboy acrobatic display, juggling as they circle the block with the marching band.
f. Expires in a draw once it drops off the "recent threads".
g. Necro-bumped for years as white knights and/or fanboys re-discover it lurking in the old threads of their favorite message board and bump it back to the top. "Ancient author who stopped coming here years ago, U R WRONG!!!"
Key points are a. weak data, b. leap of faith, and c-g. lots of people waiting to "ur rong!!"
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
None of that is in BD yet - at least not in current CBT, you probably haven't even played Black Desert and are just falling for the marketing hype at this time.
Sure they are planned features, but ArcheAge has actual castle sieges and open world housing and underwater content again which is non existent in BD.
Don't even get me started on how glitchy BD is, very buggy client.
yeah but aren't those features of the game and isn't it still being built?
Archeage is a finished game. You can't compare the two.
Wrong. Archeage is far from finished, the missing races (4), their starting zones and the completion of the main PvP island is being worked on and will be here before Christmas. In fact, there is as much content yet to come as is in the game so far.
My personal opinion is that Trion is waiting for the complete game before starting a NA/EU Beta.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
None of that is in BD yet - at least not in current CBT, you probably haven't even played Black Desert and are just falling for the marketing hype at this time.
Sure they are planned features, but ArcheAge has actual castle sieges and open world housing and underwater content again which is non existent in BD.
Don't even get me started on how glitchy BD is, very buggy client.
yeah but aren't those features of the game and isn't it still being built?
Archeage is a finished game. You can't compare the two.
Wrong. Archeage is far from finished, the missing races (4), their starting zones and the completion of the main PvP island is being worked on and will be here before Christmas. In fact, there is as much content yet to come as is in the game so far.
My personal opinion is that Trion is waiting for the complete game before starting a NA/EU Beta.
ok, let's change the word: It's a "released" game.
Given that mmo's are supposed to be "never finished" there's always going to be something added.
but ok, Archeage was released incomplete and BD is still in what? Alpha?
I sitll don't see the comparison in features. "BD is still in Alpha and it doesn't have the same features as a released game!"
Yup, can't see it.
I do agree with your last statement though.
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I don't think we can toss around the term unfinished because some games have more content unfinished than other games that claim to be fully polished.
Archeage is a big game and trying to do MORE than other games,o at unfinished it is still more finished than other games.How many years before Eve is finished properly?GW2? So many games get accredited with polish when they are missing so much game play.
I can point to another game>>>Amalur Schilling's game.it offered so much that players have been asking for yet still garnered no kind of following.You know the real truth,a lot of this is marketing and big name developers getting more attention than they deserve.I can simply point at EQ2 and Wow ,practically identical games yet Wow had 20x more players,go figure,no logic to it at all.
So success has NOTHING to do with quality,geesh Vabguard is a better game than MOST out there and has no following.I do understand that SOE has done a LOT to piss off it's fanbase,so people will stay away form SOE but still numbers often lie when comes to quality of game development.
If AA offers exactly what Wow does but MORE and better pvp being open field pvp,then more should play the game right?Nope blizzard is a MUCH bigger name than Jake Song,nobody will follow AA but everyone already knows Titan is coming because it is Blizzard.I somehow wonder if Blizzard did not stage hat whole LEAKED idea to create interest.
I have no doubt AA will be as good as any top 5 game,but i also figure it will not be supported as such,gaming is just luck and media hype.
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Originally posted by Icewhite Originally posted by SaintGraye...long story short, you present information taken from general nationwide PC usage...
...long story short, it follows the same path as every other popularity thread, ever:
a. Some data (insufficient, incomplete, biased in one or many ways)
b. Someone to make outrageous claims about "what this all means" (good or bad) for an individual publisher.
c. Many many someones to rush to the publisher's defense.
d. Many many someones to rush to the defense of the original claim in b.
e. A white knight and fanboy acrobatic display, juggling as they circle the block with the marching band.
f. Expires in a draw once it drops off the "recent threads".
g. Necro-bumped for years as white knights and/or fanboys re-discover it lurking in the old threads of their favorite message board and bump it back to the top. "Ancient author who stopped coming here years ago, U R WRONG!!!"
Key points are a. weak data, b. leap of faith, and c-g. lots of people waiting to "ur rong!!"
Shouldn't option g be a decision tree, where the thread is either continually necro'd or forgotten when some other bit of misinformation surfaces about the game?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
No idea what to make of all this, but my interest in the game has lessened for 2 reasons, the purer indie sandboxes and EQN that will lack a lot of the tired themepark features AA has, and other Korean MMOs that just seem more interesting and groundbreaking, such as Black Desert.
As someone who has played both Black Desert CBT and ArcheAge(been playing for months on Korean servers) - BD is inferior in all aspects other than character graphics at this time. This is the general consensus.
BD is popular because it's new, it doesn't have the depth of systems that AA has, BD is more of an action game with parkour elements - heck AA has entire underwater realms to explore, in BD you can't even go underwater yet - and crafting is laughable in BD.
Also I am not sure if you are up with the latest info - but XLGames is redoing a ton of ArcheAge content based on player feedback - the biggest part of this is removal of almost all themepark elements, so these "themepark features" are on the way out.
All MMORPGs (especially fantasy ones) have seen a drastic drop in popularity in Korea over the last couple of years - this is across the board.
IMO - Fantasy RPGs are a LOT more popular in US/EU markets than Asian markets at this point, so AA will do quite well
That is such a lie. black desert has castle sieges, open world housing and village building. Stop spreading misinformation.
This post is a lie. Stop spreading misinformation
Black Desert does not have open world housing. There are several pre-built houses in various cities that players will bid over and then have to compete for again after 3 months. You can built a tent anywhere you want but that is hardly housing.
No idea what to make of all this, but my interest in the game has lessened for 2 reasons, the purer indie sandboxes and EQN that will lack a lot of the tired themepark features AA has, and other Korean MMOs that just seem more interesting and groundbreaking, such as Black Desert.
As someone who has played both Black Desert CBT and ArcheAge(been playing for months on Korean servers) - BD is inferior in all aspects other than character graphics at this time. This is the general consensus.
BD is popular because it's new, it doesn't have the depth of systems that AA has, BD is more of an action game with parkour elements - heck AA has entire underwater realms to explore, in BD you can't even go underwater yet - and crafting is laughable in BD.
Also I am not sure if you are up with the latest info - but XLGames is redoing a ton of ArcheAge content based on player feedback - the biggest part of this is removal of almost all themepark elements, so these "themepark features" are on the way out.
All MMORPGs (especially fantasy ones) have seen a drastic drop in popularity in Korea over the last couple of years - this is across the board.
IMO - Fantasy RPGs are a LOT more popular in US/EU markets than Asian markets at this point, so AA will do quite well
I have not been given a chance to play Black Desert Online, but I was lucky enough to play ArcheAge during the closed and open Korean betas. I usually don't like #charts simply because of how they are presented (sometimes). What does matter to me much more is the trend of people logging in on a week to week, month to month basis. 30k seems quite low... I really hope XLGames does make some positive changes that will bring people in. You are right, there is in almost every case a drastic drop in populations not only in other regions, but South Korea as well.
I just don't want it to be such a drastic drop that it makes games like ArcheAge so niche that it ends up in life support (or with very little updates) so soon. I would rather see some sort of stability than ArcheAge ending up with the typical Korean model which is usually 90% cosmetic updates and 10% actual content just to stay afloat.
Whatever upcoming changes XLGames announces are going to make or break ArcheAge. In its current state it cannot survive. Fingers crossed Jake Song wakes up and redirects AA back to his original vision of a modernized UO. This game cannot last as a hybrid - appeal to everyone - lowest common denominator. They need to go all in with sandbox and meaningful open world PvP with consequences.
Originally posted by drakaena Whatever upcoming changes XLGames announces are going to make or break ArcheAge. In its current state it cannot survive. Fingers crossed Jake Song wakes up and redirects AA back to his original vision of a modernized UO. This game cannot last as a hybrid - appeal to everyone - lowest common denominator. They need to go all in with sandbox and meaningful open world PvP with consequences.
Jake Song jumped from the ship long long time ago and after that is started sinking.
Originally posted by drakaena Whatever upcoming changes XLGames announces are going to make or break ArcheAge. In its current state it cannot survive. Fingers crossed Jake Song wakes up and redirects AA back to his original vision of a modernized UO. This game cannot last as a hybrid - appeal to everyone - lowest common denominator. They need to go all in with sandbox and meaningful open world PvP with consequences.
Jake Song jumped from the ship long long time ago and after that is started sinking.
Wow. I did not know that. Did a quit Google search and sure enough, you are correct. Explains a lot, really. Too bad.
Originally posted by drakaena Whatever upcoming changes XLGames announces are going to make or break ArcheAge. In its current state it cannot survive. Fingers crossed Jake Song wakes up and redirects AA back to his original vision of a modernized UO. This game cannot last as a hybrid - appeal to everyone - lowest common denominator. They need to go all in with sandbox and meaningful open world PvP with consequences.
Jake Song jumped from the ship long long time ago and after that is started sinking.
So I just did a search about who is the CEO of XL games and I still see Jake Song as the CEO. In fact he just did a interview for their upcoming game civilization online as a XL employee. Please link me the info that he has left, I've searched and I don't see it.
The game will likely be another TERA online a massive failure, one of those MMO's that make you pay $9.99 to re-cutomize of character and such and if this is the case I am not even going to install the game because it will SUCK no doubt about it.
I want the option to enjoy and customize my game characters in a 2013 MMO any time I wish like in EVE Online, APB, RIFT, if the game does not support such like the new Final Fantasy XIV I will not continue to play the game or put a cent into it.
It's a weekly chart so it is about 4k players playing the game per day from internet cafes. At least 3-5 full servers of active players on daily basis? The game doing alright over there I would say
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Yes, like Lineage* (1 and 2).
But nowadays AA seems to have so many safezones that the intended risk-reward system to trade runs isn't the better it could be.
*Massive success in Korea by more than 12 years.
If you want it to be.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
It would be in better hands with SOE than trion that's for sure.
That is such a lie. black desert has castle sieges, open world housing and village building. Stop spreading misinformation.
This was a bold vision that kinda went terribly wrong IMO. Starting with the Steampunk ideas I think.
And this game was not developed for us in North America. So if there are issues over there it is a long way from being ready for our market.
Again it seems, trying to cater to many varied tastes in an MMO often leads to many not liking it.
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Many of the games not even MMORPGs and some are even sport games... lol
Need to put this "list" under the right perspective...
And how many of us in the west play a MMORPG from an internet cafe ????????
Intern cafes are best for short attention span games, arcade and action type etc....
Can we please have numbers with customers that are sure to live in appartment or some sort of room they call home ?
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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yeah but aren't those features of the game and isn't it still being built?
Archeage is a finished game. You can't compare the two.
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Obviously you don't have the right of view. You're supposed to look at it from the point of view of someone who doesn't like AA, doesn't like Trion, or who just enjoys watching things fail in some way and pointing it out to people. In that context, those numbers are really scary, especially since they are in a scary foreign language.
Twentieth in the list is very far down in the list! Thirty thousand is a small number of players! Questions like what other games and types of games are listed and what time frame the thirty thousand is referencing aren't relevant. Dur.
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...long story short, it follows the same path as every other popularity thread, ever:
a. Some data (insufficient, incomplete, biased in one or many ways)
b. Someone to make outrageous claims about "what this all means" (good or bad) for an individual publisher.
c. Many many someones to rush to the publisher's defense.
d. Many many someones to rush to the defense of the original claim in b.
e. A white knight and fanboy acrobatic display, juggling as they circle the block with the marching band.
f. Expires in a draw once it drops off the "recent threads".
g. Necro-bumped for years as white knights and/or fanboys re-discover it lurking in the old threads of their favorite message board and bump it back to the top. "Ancient author who stopped coming here years ago, U R WRONG!!!"
Key points are a. weak data, b. leap of faith, and c-g. lots of people waiting to "ur rong!!"
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Wrong. Archeage is far from finished, the missing races (4), their starting zones and the completion of the main PvP island is being worked on and will be here before Christmas. In fact, there is as much content yet to come as is in the game so far.
My personal opinion is that Trion is waiting for the complete game before starting a NA/EU Beta.
You can please some MMO-players all of the time and you can please all MMO-players some of the time but you can't please all MMO-players all of the time.
ok, let's change the word: It's a "released" game.
Given that mmo's are supposed to be "never finished" there's always going to be something added.
but ok, Archeage was released incomplete and BD is still in what? Alpha?
I sitll don't see the comparison in features. "BD is still in Alpha and it doesn't have the same features as a released game!"
Yup, can't see it.
I do agree with your last statement though.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
A very rough calculation:
South Korea has 50 million inhabitants
The World has 7 billion.
If WoW has 70k players in Korea, so would has 9,8 milion players in the world.
If Archeage has 30k players in Korea, would has 4,2 milion worldwide.
If AA to have 1 million players in the world (1/4 from this "prevision"), would be a sucessfull mmo.
I don't think we can toss around the term unfinished because some games have more content unfinished than other games that claim to be fully polished.
Archeage is a big game and trying to do MORE than other games,o at unfinished it is still more finished than other games.How many years before Eve is finished properly?GW2? So many games get accredited with polish when they are missing so much game play.
I can point to another game>>>Amalur Schilling's game.it offered so much that players have been asking for yet still garnered no kind of following.You know the real truth,a lot of this is marketing and big name developers getting more attention than they deserve.I can simply point at EQ2 and Wow ,practically identical games yet Wow had 20x more players,go figure,no logic to it at all.
So success has NOTHING to do with quality,geesh Vabguard is a better game than MOST out there and has no following.I do understand that SOE has done a LOT to piss off it's fanbase,so people will stay away form SOE but still numbers often lie when comes to quality of game development.
If AA offers exactly what Wow does but MORE and better pvp being open field pvp,then more should play the game right?Nope blizzard is a MUCH bigger name than Jake Song,nobody will follow AA but everyone already knows Titan is coming because it is Blizzard.I somehow wonder if Blizzard did not stage hat whole LEAKED idea to create interest.
I have no doubt AA will be as good as any top 5 game,but i also figure it will not be supported as such,gaming is just luck and media hype.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
a. Some data (insufficient, incomplete, biased in one or many ways)
b. Someone to make outrageous claims about "what this all means" (good or bad) for an individual publisher.
c. Many many someones to rush to the publisher's defense.
d. Many many someones to rush to the defense of the original claim in b.
e. A white knight and fanboy acrobatic display, juggling as they circle the block with the marching band.
f. Expires in a draw once it drops off the "recent threads".
g. Necro-bumped for years as white knights and/or fanboys re-discover it lurking in the old threads of their favorite message board and bump it back to the top. "Ancient author who stopped coming here years ago, U R WRONG!!!"
Key points are a. weak data, b. leap of faith, and c-g. lots of people waiting to "ur rong!!"
Shouldn't option g be a decision tree, where the thread is either continually necro'd or forgotten when some other bit of misinformation surfaces about the game?
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
This post is a lie. Stop spreading misinformation
Black Desert does not have open world housing. There are several pre-built houses in various cities that players will bid over and then have to compete for again after 3 months. You can built a tent anywhere you want but that is hardly housing.
Archeage has open world housing. BD does not.
I have not been given a chance to play Black Desert Online, but I was lucky enough to play ArcheAge during the closed and open Korean betas. I usually don't like #charts simply because of how they are presented (sometimes). What does matter to me much more is the trend of people logging in on a week to week, month to month basis. 30k seems quite low... I really hope XLGames does make some positive changes that will bring people in. You are right, there is in almost every case a drastic drop in populations not only in other regions, but South Korea as well.
I just don't want it to be such a drastic drop that it makes games like ArcheAge so niche that it ends up in life support (or with very little updates) so soon. I would rather see some sort of stability than ArcheAge ending up with the typical Korean model which is usually 90% cosmetic updates and 10% actual content just to stay afloat.
Jake Song jumped from the ship long long time ago and after that is started sinking.
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Wow. I did not know that. Did a quit Google search and sure enough, you are correct. Explains a lot, really. Too bad.
So I just did a search about who is the CEO of XL games and I still see Jake Song as the CEO. In fact he just did a interview for their upcoming game civilization online as a XL employee. Please link me the info that he has left, I've searched and I don't see it.
The game will likely be another TERA online a massive failure, one of those MMO's that make you pay $9.99 to re-cutomize of character and such and if this is the case I am not even going to install the game because it will SUCK no doubt about it.
I want the option to enjoy and customize my game characters in a 2013 MMO any time I wish like in EVE Online, APB, RIFT, if the game does not support such like the new Final Fantasy XIV I will not continue to play the game or put a cent into it.
It's a weekly chart so it is about 4k players playing the game per day from internet cafes. At least 3-5 full servers of active players on daily basis? The game doing alright over there I would say
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