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How many will start afresh on PvP server?

anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378

Just wondering how many of us will. I indeed will be starting brand new on the PvP server, the non exchange one for sure, as I think selling in game items is tantamount to a felony crime.

 

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  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360

    I'd have to do some research into the PvP mechanics, but I'd consider re-subing.

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  • FlemFlem Member UncommonPosts: 2,870
    Im not into PvP so i probably wont bother starting again on a PvP server.
  • 4tw.Krinn4tw.Krinn Member Posts: 22

    I would defitnatly start a extremley dedicated character on the pvp server, no matter how bad the pvp was.  Cause if everyone thinks it stinks, they will redo it in some other fashion.  

     


    CAN'T WAIT!!!

     

     

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  • ObadnoObadno Member Posts: 401

    Me and about 10 people i know have been waiting for this since like June.

    I will re-roll the day the servers go live.

    Im just surprised it wasnt implemented sooner, seeing that the lore, setup, world, and the basis of the game revolv around Freeport against Qynos.

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  • scaramooshscaramoosh Member Posts: 3,424

    I will come back and try it on Test server :)

    If i think it's as crap as the empty arena fights or buggy and unbalanced as the /duels then WOW is still the best :)

     

    I have a feeling though they will be empty because players ahve given EQ2 a chance already (SOE always screws up the first impression) and wont give it another chance. Current players don't want PVP.

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  • LeasaLeasa Member Posts: 449



    Originally posted by 4tw.Krinn

    I would defitnatly start a extremley dedicated character on the pvp server, no matter how bad the pvp was.  Cause if everyone thinks it stinks, they will redo it in some other fashion.  
     

    CAN'T WAIT!!!
     
     
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  • shaeshae Member Posts: 2,509

    If they use any common sense at all and start a rp-pvp server, i'll re-roll on there and take it seriously but if they just stick with their money whore pvp exchange server and "leety" pvp server, then I wont even bother.

    As it stands now the top population servers are Antonia Bayle, Najena, Mistmore and Lucan D'Lere. Which means that 2 ouf the top 4 servers are RP servers, yet when initially thinking about PVP servers, they don't even think to accomodate an obviously very large portion of their player base. Yet more proof that SOE is completely out of touch with their own games.

  • ObadnoObadno Member Posts: 401

    Actually, they have already anounced that PvP and PvE combat systems are independent of eachother.

    So they can balence the pvp all they want and it would not change a thing while fighting a named.

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  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by shae

     Yet more proof that SOE is completely out of touch with their own games.



    Ugh. The first resort of those who just don't want to have to think outside of their own little world.

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  • IcoGamesIcoGames Member Posts: 2,360


    Originally posted by anarchyart


    Originally posted by shae
    Yet more proof that SOE is completely out of touch with their own games.

    Ugh. The first resort of those who just don't want to have to think outside of their own little world.



    AA, you've gone from fanboi to just a general ass. Shae brings up a valid point, one in which I agree with. There's a large community devoted to RP (see Shae's comments about the top servers), yet want to enjoy a PvP environment. Like Blizzard, I hope the SOE recognizes this and creates an RP-PvP set of servers as well.

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  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621



    Originally posted by IcoGames



    AA, you've gone from fanboi to just a general ass. Shae brings up a valid point, one in which I agree with. There's a large community devoted to RP (see Shae's comments about the top servers), yet want to enjoy a PvP environment. Like Blizzard, I hope the SOE recognizes this and creates an RP-PvP set of servers as well.



    Since I have toons on Antonia, Lucan and Mistmoor, I can tell you there is just as much RP on Mistmoor as there is on Lucan and Antonia. The only reason Antonia is so crowded (and the only one I could say with any accuracy as to population levels) is becasue it's the first server on the list (Bria anyone?) which has nothing to do with RP. So looking at the list again, out of the 4 most popular servers (again I don't know how Shea knows that Lucan has more people than say Crushbone, but I'll take her word for it) only 1 is actually popular because it's an RP server.
  • Kem0sabeKem0sabe Member Posts: 443


    Originally posted by Jodokai
    Originally posted by IcoGames
    AA, you've gone from fanboi to just a general ass. Shae brings up a valid point, one in which I agree with. There's a large community devoted to RP (see Shae's comments about the top servers), yet want to enjoy a PvP environment. Like Blizzard, I hope the SOE recognizes this and creates an RP-PvP set of servers as well. Since I have toons on Antonia, Lucan and Mistmoor, I can tell you there is just as much RP on Mistmoor as there is on Lucan and Antonia. The only reason Antonia is so crowded (and the only one I could say with any accuracy as to population levels) is becasue it's the first server on the list (Bria anyone?) which has nothing to do with RP. So looking at the list again, out of the 4 most popular servers (again I don't know how Shea knows that Lucan has more people than say Crushbone, but I'll take her word for it) only 1 is actually popular because it's an RP server.


    Its the most populated server cuse its first on the list, so people cant be bothered to scroll down and just choose AB to create their characters? You best edit that out friend, else people will think you were taking them happy pills ^^
    Take a look at all the mmorpg´s out there and try to prove your amazing theory.

    Anyways, theres a simple reason why AB is the most populated, before launch alot of the old EQ1 roleplaying or european guilds organized themselfs to choose the same server, that server ended up beeing AB, and why the europeans? because SOE in their magnificent plan of world domination didnt think it was necessary for the game to have european servers at launch, so...no... its not because most of the EQ2 population has atention disorder and whent for the first server on the list. ::::12::

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  • mangarmangar Member UncommonPosts: 296

    I just skimmed the announement but I think that there will be two PvP servers to start, one open the other exchange.

    There was no mention of a PvP/RP server but rest assured it will boil down RP with player 1 RPing as a annoying brat while player 2 RP's as a person with anger displacement disorder and player 3 RPing as someone that complains about everything.

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  • LeasaLeasa Member Posts: 449



    Originally posted by anarchyart



    Originally posted by shae

     Yet more proof that SOE is completely out of touch with their own games.


    Ugh. The first resort of those who just don't want to have to think outside of their own little world.

    AA you should really apologize to Shae for that childish remark.  I was amazed when I checked your age under user info.  I would have thought someone your age would not be so petty.


     

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  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378



    Originally posted by IcoGames




    AA, you've gone from fanboi to just a general ass. Shae brings up a valid point, one in which I agree with. There's a large community devoted to RP (see Shae's comments about the top servers), yet want to enjoy a PvP environment. Like Blizzard, I hope the SOE recognizes this and creates an RP-PvP set of servers as well.



    Well Ico, I've always considered myself Captain ass. Thanks for the promotion and it certainly takes one to know one.

    The reason for my post was I am tired of people saying "this shows that SOE blah blah" after every problem they have with the game, from taking out shards to the innocuous and not even accomplished as of yet non RP-PVP servers. I don't think most PVP'ers give a rat's rump whether the server is designated RP or not, nor do most of the people on the RP servers to begin with.

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  • pirrgpirrg Member Posts: 1,443

    Hm, because of the whole "xp for player kills" thing i might give EQ2 a try. For real this time. Depends on the population of the PvP servers though.

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  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621




    Originally posted by Kem0sabe

    Its the most populated server cuse its first on the list, so people cant be bothered to scroll down and just choose AB to create their characters? You best edit that out friend, else people will think you were taking them happy pills ^^
    Take a look at all the mmorpg´s out there and try to prove your amazing theory.

    If you bothered to read before posting (I  know that's asking a lot) you'll see I did post another example Bria on SWG.

    Anyways, theres a simple reason why AB is the most populated, before launch alot of the old EQ1 roleplaying or european guilds organized themselfs to choose the same server, that server ended up beeing AB, and why the europeans? because SOE in their magnificent plan of world domination didnt think it was necessary for the game to have european servers at launch, so...no... its not because most of the EQ2 population has atention disorder and whent for the first server on the list. ::::12::

    Gee Einstein how did they do that when the server names weren't out yet? Oh I know, they did what a lot of other guilds did, and said "Pick the first one on the list".



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  • seabass2003seabass2003 Member Posts: 4,144

    Click on make a new character. You'll notice AB is actually at the very bottom of the list but the population is listed as heavy. I think most people that join the game want to be on a server with an already high population.

     

    Edit: Forgot to mention I'll be making a new toon on the regular PVP server NOT the exchange enabled server. Also they are still working on the whole gaining xp from other players because they don'r want people to buddy camp and level up.

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  • Kem0sabeKem0sabe Member Posts: 443


    Originally posted by Jodokai

    Originally posted by Kem0sabe Its the most populated server cuse its first on the list, so people cant be bothered to scroll down and just choose AB to create their characters? You best edit that out friend, else people will think you were taking them happy pills ^^Take a look at all the mmorpg´s out there and try to prove your amazing theory.
    If you bothered to read before posting (I know that's asking a lot) you'll see I did post another example Bria on SWG.
    Anyways, theres a simple reason why AB is the most populated, before launch alot of the old EQ1 roleplaying or european guilds organized themselfs to choose the same server, that server ended up beeing AB, and why the europeans? because SOE in their magnificent plan of world domination didnt think it was necessary for the game to have european servers at launch, so...no... its not because most of the EQ2 population has atention disorder and whent for the first server on the list.
    Gee Einstein how did they do that when the server names weren't out yet? Oh I know, they did what a lot of other guilds did, and said "Pick the first one on the list".You know Tanto used to call the Lone Ranger Kemosabe, you know why? It means "He who knows nothing". How apt.


    Jodokai, i understand that complex thought is something beyond you at the momment so i will try not to say any big words.

    Many many guilds organize themselfs before an mmorpg is launch, take a look at the number of vanguard and DnD guilds currently in existence, as i said, many of the roleplaying guilds from EQlive organized themselfs to join the same server, how did they manage this superhuman feat? well its simple, they got organized and waited till launch, then the leaders took a look at the server list and said.... AB it is.... Same with many of the european guilds.

    Now concider that there are only 2 roleplaying servers since launch, those same 2 servers are the ones with the heaviest loads, wich despite your ravings, is a simple fact to check, log on at several diferent hours, and check the loads, AB and LD and always the heaviest despite the time checked. Two servers for arguably the largest roleplaying community in mmorpg´s (eqlive) to migrate to, can you now wrap your mind around that?

    And your massive research to sustain your claims is the Bria server from SWG? wow, im impressed, out of the dozens of mmorpg´s. Now, take WoW for example, do you know wich are the servers that have the heaviest loads? in WoW europe its the 2 pve roleplaying servers, do you know why? because despite what many say, roleplayers are still numerous in mmorpg´s and they tend to play on the same servers, so theres your reason why AB and LD are always the heaviest servers.

    P.S one more thing, and try not to faint.... you do know that theres alot of roleplayers in bria also... and you do know that for many months bria was the only server showing heavy load, wich tended to atrackt new players that didnt want to play in ghost servers.... so many reasons and so many factors, but i guess that according to you... its cuse its the first server on the list, wich by the way.... it isnt, try to create a new character, AB will show at the end of the list.

    Oh and by the way, insulting someone by use if his internet handle is not very bright, i doubt you even know what jodokai means young grasshopper, but you do have a way with a stick, a very blunt one, so i guess your not at a total loss ::::12::

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  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621



    Originally posted by Kem0sabe



    Jodokai, i understand that complex thought is something beyond you at the momment so i will try not to say any big words.
    Please don't you normally use them incorrectly or misspell them.
    Many many guilds organize themselfs before an mmorpg is launch, take a look at the number of vanguard and DnD guilds currently in existence, as i said, many of the roleplaying guilds from EQlive organized themselfs to join the same server, how did they manage this superhuman feat? well its simple, they got organized and waited till launch, then the leaders took a look at the server list and said.... AB it is.... Same with many of the european guilds.
    Actually a lot of guilds just say: "Go to the first one alphabetically".
    Now concider that there are only 2 roleplaying servers since launch, those same 2 servers are the ones with the heaviest loads, wich despite your ravings, is a simple fact to check, log on at several diferent hours, and check the loads, AB and LD and always the heaviest despite the time checked. Two servers for arguably the largest roleplaying community in mmorpg´s (eqlive) to migrate to, can you now wrap your mind around that?
    Right so basically no basis is fact, because I don't believe you check every server at odd times. So you're guessing. For your information (not that you'll read this anyway, you tend to by pass the facts, as they make it harder for you to make things up) there have been more instances of Antonica on Mistmoore that Lucan every time I'm on.
    And your massive research to sustain your claims is the Bria server from SWG? wow, im impressed, out of the dozens of mmorpg´s. Now, take WoW for example, do you know wich are the servers that have the heaviest loads? in WoW europe its the 2 pve roleplaying servers, do you know why? because despite what many say, roleplayers are still numerous in mmorpg´s and they tend to play on the same servers, so theres your reason why AB and LD are always the heaviest servers.
    Sorry but you're full of crap. Having just been playing WoW, I have hardly ever had to wait in a queue to get on a PvPRP server. Yet the regular PvP I wait all the time. Again, back up your statements with some facts.
    P.S one more thing, and try not to faint.... you do know that theres alot of roleplayers in bria also... and you do know that for many months bria was the only server showing heavy load, wich tended to atrackt new players that didnt want to play in ghost servers.... so many reasons and so many factors, but i guess that according to you... its cuse its the first server on the list, wich by the way.... it isnt, try to create a new character, AB will show at the end of the list.
    Again, guildes say "First alphabetically" Not to mentinon with the game was released it WAS the first server on the list.
    Now I'm going to try to get you to see logic: You say people were attracted to Bria simply because there were more people, well how did all those people get there? I mean they just appeared when the server went live? So Bria started with 5000 people magically on the server while the rest started with none right? That's how it worked?
    Oh and by the way, insulting someone by use if his internet handle is not very bright,
    Neither is making things up that have no basis in fact, I guess we both have our faults.
     i doubt you even know what jodokai means young grasshopper, but you do have a way with a stick, a very blunt one, so i guess your not at a total loss ::::12::
    Actually I do, but I'm glad I got to teach you about yours.



  • Kem0sabeKem0sabe Member Posts: 443


    Originally posted by Jodokai
    Originally posted by Kem0sabe
    Jodokai, i understand that complex thought is something beyond you at the momment so i will try not to say any big words.
    Please don't you normally use them incorrectly or misspell them.
    Many many guilds organize themselfs before an mmorpg is launch, take a look at the number of vanguard and DnD guilds currently in existence, as i said, many of the roleplaying guilds from EQlive organized themselfs to join the same server, how did they manage this superhuman feat? well its simple, they got organized and waited till launch, then the leaders took a look at the server list and said.... AB it is.... Same with many of the european guilds.
    Actually a lot of guilds just say: "Go to the first one alphabetically".
    Now concider that there are only 2 roleplaying servers since launch, those same 2 servers are the ones with the heaviest loads, wich despite your ravings, is a simple fact to check, log on at several diferent hours, and check the loads, AB and LD and always the heaviest despite the time checked. Two servers for arguably the largest roleplaying community in mmorpg´s (eqlive) to migrate to, can you now wrap your mind around that?
    Right so basically no basis is fact, because I don't believe you check every server at odd times. So you're guessing. For your information (not that you'll read this anyway, you tend to by pass the facts, as they make it harder for you to make things up) there have been more instances of Antonica on Mistmoore that Lucan every time I'm on.
    And your massive research to sustain your claims is the Bria server from SWG? wow, im impressed, out of the dozens of mmorpg´s. Now, take WoW for example, do you know wich are the servers that have the heaviest loads? in WoW europe its the 2 pve roleplaying servers, do you know why? because despite what many say, roleplayers are still numerous in mmorpg´s and they tend to play on the same servers, so theres your reason why AB and LD are always the heaviest servers.
    Sorry but you're full of crap. Having just been playing WoW, I have hardly ever had to wait in a queue to get on a PvPRP server. Yet the regular PvP I wait all the time. Again, back up your statements with some facts.
    P.S one more thing, and try not to faint.... you do know that theres alot of roleplayers in bria also... and you do know that for many months bria was the only server showing heavy load, wich tended to atrackt new players that didnt want to play in ghost servers.... so many reasons and so many factors, but i guess that according to you... its cuse its the first server on the list, wich by the way.... it isnt, try to create a new character, AB will show at the end of the list.
    Again, guildes say "First alphabetically" Not to mentinon with the game was released it WAS the first server on the list.
    Now I'm going to try to get you to see logic: You say people were attracted to Bria simply because there were more people, well how did all those people get there? I mean they just appeared when the server went live? So Bria started with 5000 people magically on the server while the rest started with none right? That's how it worked?
    Oh and by the way, insulting someone by use if his internet handle is not very bright,
    Neither is making things up that have no basis in fact, I guess we both have our faults.
    i doubt you even know what jodokai means young grasshopper, but you do have a way with a stick, a very blunt one, so i guess your not at a total loss
    Actually I do, but I'm glad I got to teach you about yours.

    Again you make one ignorant comment after the other, you are realy not doing yourself any favors here.

    "Actually a lot of guilds just say: "Go to the first one alphabetically".

    Read my post, when i mention roleplaying guilds, why would they join non roleplaying servers if they can join the ones marked roleaplaying but then again, stupid stupid stupid ::::12::

    "Right so basically no basis is fact, because I don't believe you check every server at odd times. So you're guessing. For your information (not that you'll read this anyway, you tend to by pass the facts, as they make it harder for you to make things up) there have been more instances of Antonica on Mistmoore that Lucan every time I'm on."

    So... your able to log on on 2 diferent servers at the same time and check how many instances antonica has at that momment? another stupid comment on your part, when you casn easily log on at U.S and then at E.U primetimes check the server loads then compare. If you took the time to do that as i did, you would see that while mistmore is light at european primetime, AB is medium, and more often than not, AB is heavy with mistomore medium at u.s primetime. Why do i mention european primetime? because thats also the tiome australian players are online, and AB has a massive community of both, seeing as there are not australian servers and that the european servers were launch a long time after EQ2 came out. Wrap your tinny mind around that if you can.

    "Sorry but you're full of crap. Having just been playing WoW, I have hardly ever had to wait in a queue to get on a PvPRP server. Yet the regular PvP I wait all the time. Again, back up your statements with some facts."

    Read my post again my reading impared friend, do i say pvprp? or do i say pve rp? ill take the second for 200$ Alex. Both RP PVE servers in WoW europe are the ones with the heaviest loads and longest queues pf all the game servers, thats a well known fact, dunno how it is in WoW U.S.
    Again you show that keeping quiet would make you look alot smarter.


    "Now I'm going to try to get you to see logic: You say people were attracted to Bria simply because there were more people, well how did all those people get there? I mean they just appeared when the server went live? So Bria started with 5000 people magically on the server while the rest started with none right? That's how it worked?"

    Again you show that you simply skim over posts in your mad rush to enlighten us with your marvelous dung. If you read it you would notice that i said that for a VERY LONG time bria was the only server showing a modicom of activity in SWG, maybe because of the first C.U? would you think? its beyond me, but Bria was one of the only servers not dead on the water, as such, NEW PLAYERS coming into the game would go for that one, because they didnt want to play on dead servers.
    Wow, you make it so easy for me that i dont even have to try that hard Jodokai.

    "Actually I do, but I'm glad I got to teach you about yours."

    Oh i knew mine, beeing a big lone ranger fan when i was a kid, but let me enlighten your stupidity yet again, when tonto (wish means fool in spannish) adresses the lone ranger as ke-mo sah-bee, he meant friend or trusty scout, but it depended on the way you ponounced the words, like many native american laguages, apache is all about how you say it than how it is spelled, ill leave you with that.

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  • JodokaiJodokai Member Posts: 1,621



    Originally posted by Kem0sabe

    "Actually a lot of guilds just say: "Go to the first one alphabetically".
    Read my post, when i mention roleplaying guilds, why would they join non roleplaying servers if they can join the ones marked roleaplaying but then again, stupid stupid stupid ::::12::
    You have NO IDEA what the point is anymore. You're so busy trying to call someone smarter than you stupid that you missed the point of EVERY PARAGRAPH. I'm talking about server population and someone you're talking only about RP Guilds.
    "Right so basically no basis is fact, because I don't believe you check every server at odd times. So you're guessing. For your information (not that you'll read this anyway, you tend to by pass the facts, as they make it harder for you to make things up) there have been more instances of Antonica on Mistmoore that Lucan every time I'm on."
    So... your able to log on on 2 diferent servers at the same time and check how many instances antonica has at that momment? another stupid comment on your part, when you casn easily log on at U.S and then at E.U primetimes check the server loads then compare.
    No what's stupid is you're too retarded to know that someone can log off of one server, than log on to another. I'd thought even someone as mentally challenged as you could piece that together. Guess I won't give you so much credit in the future.l
    If you took the time to do that as i did, you would see that while mistmore is light at european primetime, AB is medium, and more often than not, AB is heavy with mistomore medium at u.s primetime.
    Now he's where you REALLY show your stupididty, You see I said Lucan, and you're talking about AB. We've already established that AB is the highest population server.
    Why do i mention european primetime? because thats also the tiome australian players are online, and AB has a massive community of both, seeing as there are not australian servers and that the european servers were launch a long time after EQ2 came out. Wrap your tinny mind around that if you can.
    See above, and we see who really has a tiny mind.
     
    "Sorry but you're full of crap. Having just been playing WoW, I have hardly ever had to wait in a queue to get on a PvPRP server. Yet the regular PvP I wait all the time. Again, back up your statements with some facts."
    Read my post again my reading impared friend, do i say pvprp? or do i say pve rp? ill take the second for 200$ Alex. Both RP PVE servers in WoW europe are the ones with the heaviest loads and longest queues pf all the game servers, thats a well known fact, dunno how it is in WoW U.S.
    Again you show that keeping quiet would make you look alot smarter.
    Ah now the truth comes out. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. See everyone else is talking about US loads (since the whole point you're mentally challenged head couldn't hold in, was a discussion about EQ2's US servers), and I put a p instead of an e sue me, it's still a false statement as the PvP servers have the longest wait queues.
     

    "Now I'm going to try to get you to see logic: You say people were attracted to Bria simply because there were more people, well how did all those people get there? I mean they just appeared when the server went live? So Bria started with 5000 people magically on the server while the rest started with none right? That's how it worked?"
    Again you show that you simply skim over posts in your mad rush to enlighten us with your marvelous dung. If you read it you would notice that i said that for a VERY LONG time bria was the only server showing a modicom of activity in SWG, maybe because of the first C.U? would you think? its beyond me, but Bria was one of the only servers not dead on the water, as such, NEW PLAYERS coming into the game would go for that one, because they didnt want to play on dead servers.
    Wow, you make it so easy for me that i dont even have to try that hard Jodokai.
    Wow dude, just wow. You have so lost the point of any paragraph that you have no idea how stupid you sound. Let me help you out, while you wipe the drool off your chin:
    Bria has ALWAYS been the most popluated server. It is the fIRST SERVER ON THE LIST. AB has ALWAYS been the most populated server on the list IT IS THE FIRST SERVER ON THE LIST. Those are the facts. That was the point, but your simple mind couldn't hold that long enough to form a response.
    "Actually I do, but I'm glad I got to teach you about yours."
    Oh i knew mine, beeing a big lone ranger fan when i was a kid, but let me enlighten your stupidity yet again, when tonto (wish means fool in spannish) adresses the lone ranger as ke-mo sah-bee, he meant friend or trusty scout, but it depended on the way you ponounced the words, like many native american laguages, apache is all about how you say it than how it is spelled, ill leave you with that.
    Yeah keep telling yourself that.



    As I said in the other thread, I'm done playing your kiddie gemes. You have stopped trying to even try to grasp the point of the posts and just trying to start an argument any way you can. I can understand, if someone made me look as stupid as I do to you, I'd be upset too, but I'm done with it all.
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