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Suspension Opinion - Too strict or just right?
cclucky04
Member Posts: 3
I'm looking for your opinions on the following 2 events.
Do you believe these instances are too strict, not strict enough, or juuuust right?
1. A group of us ran Ifrit the other night, if you've done the fight you know how much easier it is with a SMN or BLM in the party. We had neither, one of the healers then said, "This can't be done." and left the party.
Our group decided, lets try it anyway, proceeding to not only beat Ifrit with a DRG, but to do it with one healer!
Very proud, our tank posted on the FFXIV forum of the event, naming no names, letting people know not to always give up.
* Perma-banned on the forum for "naming" or calling-out the healer that left, yet no names were said.
- - Too strict, Not enough, or Juust right?
2. Ifrit again, all bad comes from this dungeon apparently, we have no BLM or SMN and are relying on the DRG to limit break the nails. We attempt 5 times to do this yet every time the DRG limits on the nail everyone attacks, even after trying to guide him through what to do.
After the 5th attempt, we sat for a minute, waiting to decide what to do. The paladin pulls the boss and wipes the group. One of the party members then said, "He's just trying to make us leave". The paladin replies, "yes, please leave", which is responded with "Reported". Roughly 2-3 minutes of silence and no pulls go by, and finally a party member leaves.
The next day the paladin receives a 24-72 hour suspension on a Friday at 4AM, suspension "timer" does not go into effect until the beginning of the next day, so his hours did not start counting down until 0:00 Saturday, his suspension lifted on Monday.
* 3 day suspension for rage pulling a boss 1 time
- - Too strict, Not enough, or Juust right?
Comments
I agree with Nicephorus first and foremost, but if the situations occurred precisely as you offered them without any other aspects left out I'd say the first was too strict and the second was just right. I prefer heavyhanded punishments in MMOs because due to the anonymous nature of the internet a more harsh punishment system is required as there aren't other social repercussions (blacklists, etc) that can be reliably enacted by the players. There is just too much independence and convenience tied to today's MMO mechanics that don't allow players to police each other.
I don't know the first one seems to harsh but at the same time calling some one out on the forum is kinda childish but a perma ban that is more than a hand slap.
The second one is kinda cool there should be a way to punish the tank for being a jerk so I agree with it.
lol I am permabanned too from the forums. The mods are awful over there.. First I was banned until my account could be looked at then I was banned. Then I was unbanned and the banned.. Then the ban was changed to a perma.. What a joke.
If you search around for people perma banned from the forums they do it for really stupid crap and once you are perma ban you can't contest it. Someone got perma banned for naming their screen name "Black Mage" Perma banned for racism lolol.
I got perma banned for say "You are full of crap" on a thread where noobs kept telling people to vpn to fix the lag issue. Ughh
But yeah thats complete crap because your sub includes access to the fourms and to be perma banning people over small things like that is messed up. You are paying for forum use.
I don't know about the first one, it sounds like there may be more to that story.
Second one - totally agree with. The tank didn't just "rage pull" (wtf cares about a rage pull anyway, death doesn't cost you durability and the setup time is next to nothing for Ifrit) -- the point was the tank was intentionally trying to antagonize the group because they had no other recourse to deal with him (no kick/veto - only option is to wait out the timer or leave). He was suspended for that, and I agree with that.
I like when moderators actually take actions, but the ones in ARR forum will ban you for anything.
I received a 216 hour ban for posting the following image on a thread of people getting upset at the gear and looks that other people choose for their characters:
The reason: Discrimination (lolwut?) It makes me think that SE's staff is racist.
I was pretty sure who had reported me, so while I was banned I reported one of his posts that said "STFU", and then he got banned. Every person I've reported has gotten banned even when what they did was no big deal.
At least, the RMT and bots are still running rampart, probably under the watchful eye of SE's task force just in case they say a no no word or maybe the word black to drop the banhammer on them.
Pretty much.. Every thread I used the term "White Knight" got me a ban for discrimination lol..Its funny because White knights know this so they will report your threads over and over again.. You can even get banned while you are banned. Mods are awful.
Well the first if no names were mentioned is really not Square's business to interfere.I don't understand how it can be called "naming"with no names,that is not even common sense.
The latter is obvious,Square has been doing it for years,more known as griefing other players.No player should be made to feel uncomfortable in a game,you should never directly tell someone to leave.For example when i got fed up with players in games,i am the one that just ups and leaves,i can't be bothered to deal with ignorance or rude players,so i leave.
There were all kinds of reasons Square adopted the policy,some players were dragging high level mobs onto parties to make them go away,also trying tactics to steal their mobs,really all they ar doing is trying to ruin other players game and fun and of course that should not be acceptable.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Just because he did not name the person directly, if he allowed his own name to be used, it might well have been possible to identify the person involved, not sure if its possible or not, as i've never looked into it, but given how it could quite easily lead to some 'in game' bullying, i can see why they would stomp down on it pretty hard. And just because he didnt identify the guy on the forum, doesnt mean he didnt do so extensively in game, and as all chat logs are accessible to SE, i doubt they would permaban someone without a very good reason. No company after all, goes out to antagonise its playerbase, and without knowing the full story we can only guess as to what was posted, and what was also said in game. But whatever it was, he must have done something to warrant the punishment.
But how is this for a scenario, afterwards the guy sent a few in game messages to the 'healer' complaining about his actions, not necessarily offensively, but just to let him know he wasnt happy with him, now also supposing the healer then blocked and reported the guy, and then in response the guy goes and posts on the forums, voila, the guy is banned.
He didn't post on the forum to name anyone, it was a positive post referencing the accomplishment, I think that one was too strict imo.
The tank one I think is justified but a 3 day suspension seems a little harsh, maybe 24 hour or a warning would have been better for a first time offense imo.