Maybe I'll get one after a while. Right now I see nothing of value that I can't already get on my PC.
Disappointed that so may games are the exact same with last gen just with shinier textures. Yet another CoD, another BF, another Killzone, another Forza. Not really that exiting.
As a person who owns multiple gaming pc's and laptops, multiple consoles, and plans to get a ps4 I view it like any toy: as long as I enjoy it then why not? I don't understand why people spend more than $25k on a new car when I can buy a used luxury car for $5k and get years of great performance out of it. Everyone has different priorities with their spending and interests, it is what makes us interesting.
I really find this whole pc master race vs console thing silly. Anyone can go out and buy either one, it doesn't make you superior to spend money here rather than there. As always vote with your dollar, companies follow the money trail.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Read most of the responses, and frankly have to say it, are all of you single, antisocial guys?
Consoles are social constructs, for real interaction between family members, friends and the like. I have a computer that is. Screaming fast, dual carded, water-cooled, dual monitor, and it does not get as much attention as it used to. Why? I have family, and friends that I interact with. I'm getting the ps4 and have a ps3, and I'll tell you this, sitting hunched over a computer does not compare at all with Playing a game on a 60inch wall mounted TV with a buddy, like ps3 move guns playing a shooter, or with 3 friends playing Diablo 3, or relaxing on the couch, watching your wife play elder scrolls. Add in upcoming mmorpg's and it will be awesome.
Yes computers rock, the ps4 wouldn't hold a candle to my rig, but in the end, it's what you play that makes you happy, and in this guy's case, there is a vast sea of Crap out there for computer games and mmos nowdays.
Why have a Ferrari if the Only road you drive is a pothole infested muddy dirt road.
Originally posted by killahh Read most of the responses, and frankly have to say it, are all of you single, antisocial guys? Consoles are social constructs, for real interaction between family members, friends and the like. I have a computer that is. Screaming fast, dual carded, water-cooled, dual monitor, and it does not get as much attention as it used to. Why? I have family, and friends that I interact with. I'm getting the ps4 and have a ps3, and I'll tell you this, sitting hunched over a computer does not compare at all with Playing a game on a 60inch wall mounted TV with a buddy, like ps3 move guns playing a shooter, or with 3 friends playing Diablo 3, or relaxing on the couch, watching your wife play elder scrolls. Add in upcoming mmorpg's and it will be awesome. Yes computers rock, the ps4 wouldn't hold a candle to my rig, but in the end, it's what you play that makes you happy, and in this guy's case, there is a vast sea of Crap out there for computer games and mmos nowdays. Why have a Ferrari if the Only road you drive is a pothole infested muddy dirt road.
Ignorance is bliss. A console is no more social than a PC. When the kids come over they have no interest in the consoles, they play on the PC with their friends. I have an xbox and a ps3 gathering dust under the TV. Of course the consoles are just now catching up to many of the PC's out there, but their storage still sucks big time and you can't change it on a console.
Compare a decent PC with a game on a SSD and one of the new consoles, the PC leaves it in the dust. That is why the kids always gravitate to the PC. Want to waste your money, go right ahead.
Staying with my PC thanks. I watched 12 minutes of Destiny gameplay on Youtube last night, just to see what all the fuss is about. It looked remarkably similar to Defiance, the other so called "MMOFPS" for consoles. What I saw was a typical multiplayer FPS game with voice comms.
All this hullabaloo about MMO's moving to consoles will do nothing for the genre except change MMO's for the worse. The level of social interaction, something I think defines MMO's, will take a nosedive without systems in place that allow broad communication. Chat channels may be old fashioned but they allow MMO communities to actually communicate. These squad based voice channels don't cut the mustard.
My fear is that a lot of the subtle social aspects will fall to the wayside if MMO's are targetted at consoles.
When you get right down to it, there's not much a console can do that the PC doesn't do better.
They aren't moving as I have already stated , they first came about in 1999 in Japan then 2 weeks later in the US in 2000. Granted there where only 2 chat channels in the game but the mailing system was one too so 3 then. Socially the game was very social indeed it would take me at least 30 mins to say goodnight to everyone that was logged on . In fact that game back way then was far more social than SWTOR by a very long margin.
All MMO's have keyboard access even on consoles so your argument is mute.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
Yeah, right, most consoles out there have no keyboard with them. Hence your attempt at an argument is moot.
Not much of a console guy, my 3 year old PC is still better than this new generation and I am intending to upgrade next year. I will probably not spend much more than the price of a new xbox one on a far better computer. There are not enough exclusives to matter.
No consoles have keyboards with them. I wasn't trying to argue at all , I just pointed out that console MMO's are and have been very very social . Plus I gave SWTOR as an example along side a game from the year 2000 PSO , PSO was far far more social than SWTOR is.
Let's see , I will start with the Dreamcast as that had the first console MMO on it , that had a keyboard for it , PS2 can use any USB keyboard , Gamecube had an ASCII keyboard ( it was so lush it had a small keyed keyboard in between two halves of a controller so amazing ) , Xbox I never bought a keyboard , Xbox 360 USB keyboard. Never bought a PS3.
O and if you read back I never even said I was going to buy an Xbone or PS4 , I stated I might buy a Wii-U though , the PC won't get Mario Kart 8 on it , so yeah that's why.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing. "SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13 The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
Thank you Adam, one of your better write ups that wasnt full of snarkyness.
Ive been saying what you wrote for years.
To put it bluntly the only reason console sales are better than PC's (and not by much anymore) is that consoles are this generations baby-sitters. Just like the TV was mine (Gen-X).
Ive seem more single moms and dads or both working parents use consoles to keep their kids out of trouble. It keeps them in the house and in their rooms and out of trouble.
And thats why console games cost so much, its worth that piece of mind. Trust me 90% of the time a $69.99 or $79.99 game isnt near worth its price.
Its the only reason they (the console) holds such a big share of the money generation for game companies. Its sure not technological advancement.
The only issue I have with anything you wrote is this. -
"The PC is currently in the midst of something of a golden age of technological supremacy, and it seems that those joystick peddlers want to join our party.
Which can only be a good thing."
Im sorry no its not, and I think I jumped all over Mike B because he wrote something along those lines. When it comes to cross-platforming development the console is the bane of the PC.
I'll put out a few quotes to illustrate this short coming.
"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link." -unknown
"An army will march only as fast as its slowest unit" -Sun Tzu
And what is the weakest link in the console PC cross-platform development?
The console. I'll explain why.
- Its input device - the controller is by far inferior to the mouse and keyboard.
- Its GPU
- Its CPU
- Its memory
- Its storage space
- Its lack of upgradability
- and more
But to show Im not completely biased the console has one positive
+ Its cost
Which basically means that a cross developed game for the console and PC will have to factor in each one of those negatives.
Which means the best we can hope for as a PC gamer is the worst, because the console is so far, far below the potential of what the PC can handle.
Skyrim console and Skyrim PC with mods that take advantage of what the PC can do is a perfect example, and the difference is totally fucking laughable.
Ive said it another thread before. PC gaming suffers from cross-platform development, its true. We need companies to push the ability of what the PC can do, thats the kind of gaming I want.
I dont want a shitty consolized PC game or MMO.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Try to spin it any way you want, consoles are coming out of the closet, Deal with it. I've heard the same tired old arguments for 20 years, but in the last 5 years consoles are Indeed making Inroads on the computer gaming industry. Why are you so scared? Lol embrace it. I laugh at the singlemindedness of the pc is king crowd sometimes, even though I love pcs
While I'm not surprised that most people here are PC gamers first, I'm surprised that there aren't more like myself that hop back and forth between console and PC.
I'm really excited about the new consoles (the PS4 more specifically) because there are more MMO-type games coming to them and sometimes I just want to get away from my PC and lounge back on my bed and play on a really big TV.
Currently playing: Rift Played: SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot World of Warcraft, AoC
I am disappointed with the Kinect games. I was hoping to see more on that department. I like kickboxing and regular boxing, and the Kinect sports game doesn't have it. Funny thing they have the UFC game, but not interested in controlling a toon, I want to be the fighter. Guess I will stick with the 360 and wait for next year.
The main reason I'm sticking with pc though, its nothing to do with better graphics and what not. It's because I buy a lot of games and games are much cheaper on pc than console, and get discounted quicker. I'm sticking with pc for economic reasons.
Built myself a new monster gaming rig just three months ago so that about answers that question. I did try to get used to using a gamepad awhile back and for the life of me I can't see the attraction, keyboard and mouse is just so much better.
I look at simple facts. In five years time the owners of Xbones and PS4's will be playing games that are five years out of date as far as graphics, gameplay etc. are concerned while us PC fanatics will be bang up to date. Sure we pay more for our rigs but considering the difference in price between console titles and those for the PC ( commonly about £10 or more ) who is really paying the most after five years of game purchases?
The old my PC will always have better graphics than the consoles really doesn't carry a lot of weight these days. The technology has reached the saturation point now and graphics are so good on consoles and PC these days that the difference is barely worth mentioning.
No the big advantage of the console is mainly ease of use, compatability, and a big old whopping discount over what the average PC gamer pays for a system.
Sure a PC does everything a console does but does it do it as easily or neatly as a console? Probably not.
Having a single system designed specifically for gaming and multimedia makes sense. The same as smartphones makes sense. PC's are a hobby that require a bit of technical know how to get the most out of, and definitely come with a higher price tag.
I like both and both have their place, as I see it. However my present needs are satisfied with the 360 and I never buy consoles until they have been out at least 2 -3 years. They become an excellent bargain at that point, with plenty of used games available. You have to have a pretty closed mind to ignore the consoles, IMO.
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If only MMO's developers actually cared about leading edge graphics cards and quality, then maybe our PC's would be the superior gaming platforms so many PC gamers seem to think they are.
Thank god for MMO's, or the PC extinction would have continued and PC gaming would have officially died a decade ago, instead of just going into steep decline.
How many copies of Skyrim did Bethesda sell for the PC in comparison to Xbox again? 10 to one ratio? 100 to one ratio?
The money is in consoles, not in the overwhelming minority of PC gaming.
Next gen gaming hasn't been here and thriving on the PC, it's being ushered in due to the next gen consoles. Because you can get your next gen gaming fix for the fraction of what you have to spend on building a PC capable of true next gen gaming.
Nothing has changed. The past, present, and future of gaming is, and will always be, the consoles.
Pc gamers buy a more varied selection of games. Consoles tend to sell lots of copies of hype games from long running series with tons of marketing behind them, but sell bugger all of anything else. Console games tend to be boom or bust.
Look at the new cod. Now you could go it sold x copies on xbox and only y copies on pc so pc is less popular, using your flawed basing stuff on individual games "logic"
But Cod currently Is not the best selling pc game. Football manager 2014 is. The Xcom expansion Is second.
As for consoles costing a fraction of pcs. Yeah when the last gen game out. Not now. You can build a pc that will comfortably out perform a ps4 for around £500
But here's the kicker. The games cost less money on pc as there's no mark up to the console manufacturer and there's more games on pc, so more competition. If you buy say 10+ games a year. You will have spent less money on a pc + games than you would on a console + games.
Originally posted by goldtoof Again this individual game shit.
Pc gamers buy a more varied selection of games. Consoles tend to sell lots of copies of hype games from long running series with tons of marketing behind them, but sell bugger all of anything else. Console games tend to be boom or bust.
Look at the new cod. Now you could go it sold x copies on xbox and only y copies on pc so pc is less popular, using your flawed basing stuff on individual games "logic"
But Cod currently Is not the best selling pc game. Football manager 2014 is. The Xcom expansion Is second.
As for consoles costing a fraction of pcs. Yeah when the last gen game out. Not now. You can build a pc that will comfortably out perform a ps4 for around £500
But here's the kicker. The games cost less money on pc as there's no mark up to the console manufacturer and there's more games on pc, so more competition. If you buy say 10+ games a year. You will have spent less money on a pc + games than you would on a console + games.
No, you can't built a PC that will outperform the next gen consoles for 500. That's about the cost of the components in the next gen consoles, and those are actually outdated components.
If you want to run next gen games at 60 FPS at the same fidelity you'll need to spend well over 500. Just the cards to run the games coming out are going to cost you near that much. Next gen PC gaming isn't in the realm of most PC gamers.
And game sales very much have everything to do with everything.
PC gaming was LITERALLY dying not long ago. Microsoft even had an entire marketing campaign geared at revitalizing PC gaming by bringing in a more unified gaming experience more akin to console gaming. They called it games for windows.
RTS and MMO's are a big reason for the continued existence of PC gaming.
There is no such thing as PC superiority in gaming. The very vast majority of PC gamers play games on console, and will be buying one of the new ones. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
If it wasn't for consoles, everyone would still be playing games in an arcade.
I mean, no one's crowd-funding console games, and the most popular independent games to release in the last few years didn't become mega hits because of the PC; it was because of the Xbox arcade and the PS store.
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Maybe I'll get one after a while. Right now I see nothing of value that I can't already get on my PC.
Disappointed that so may games are the exact same with last gen just with shinier textures. Yet another CoD, another BF, another Killzone, another Forza. Not really that exiting.
As a person who owns multiple gaming pc's and laptops, multiple consoles, and plans to get a ps4 I view it like any toy: as long as I enjoy it then why not? I don't understand why people spend more than $25k on a new car when I can buy a used luxury car for $5k and get years of great performance out of it. Everyone has different priorities with their spending and interests, it is what makes us interesting.
I really find this whole pc master race vs console thing silly. Anyone can go out and buy either one, it doesn't make you superior to spend money here rather than there. As always vote with your dollar, companies follow the money trail.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Consoles are social constructs, for real interaction between family members, friends and the like.
I have a computer that is. Screaming fast, dual carded, water-cooled, dual monitor, and it does not get as much attention as it used to.
Why? I have family, and friends that I interact with.
I'm getting the ps4 and have a ps3, and I'll tell you this, sitting hunched over a computer does not compare at all with
Playing a game on a 60inch wall mounted TV with a buddy, like ps3 move guns playing a shooter, or with 3 friends playing Diablo 3, or relaxing on the couch, watching your wife play elder scrolls. Add in upcoming mmorpg's and it will be awesome.
Yes computers rock, the ps4 wouldn't hold a candle to my rig, but in the end, it's what you play that makes you happy, and in this guy's case, there is a vast sea of Crap out there for computer games and mmos nowdays.
Why have a Ferrari if the Only road you drive is a pothole infested muddy dirt road.
over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting...
Ignorance is bliss. A console is no more social than a PC. When the kids come over they have no interest in the consoles, they play on the PC with their friends. I have an xbox and a ps3 gathering dust under the TV. Of course the consoles are just now catching up to many of the PC's out there, but their storage still sucks big time and you can't change it on a console.
Compare a decent PC with a game on a SSD and one of the new consoles, the PC leaves it in the dust. That is why the kids always gravitate to the PC. Want to waste your money, go right ahead.
No consoles have keyboards with them. I wasn't trying to argue at all , I just pointed out that console MMO's are and have been very very social . Plus I gave SWTOR as an example along side a game from the year 2000 PSO , PSO was far far more social than SWTOR is.
Let's see , I will start with the Dreamcast as that had the first console MMO on it , that had a keyboard for it , PS2 can use any USB keyboard , Gamecube had an ASCII keyboard ( it was so lush it had a small keyed keyboard in between two halves of a controller so amazing ) , Xbox I never bought a keyboard , Xbox 360 USB keyboard. Never bought a PS3.
O and if you read back I never even said I was going to buy an Xbone or PS4 , I stated I might buy a Wii-U though , the PC won't get Mario Kart 8 on it , so yeah that's why.
Cheers,
BadOrb.
PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]
Thank you Adam, one of your better write ups that wasnt full of snarkyness.
Ive been saying what you wrote for years.
To put it bluntly the only reason console sales are better than PC's (and not by much anymore) is that consoles are this generations baby-sitters. Just like the TV was mine (Gen-X).
Ive seem more single moms and dads or both working parents use consoles to keep their kids out of trouble. It keeps them in the house and in their rooms and out of trouble.
And thats why console games cost so much, its worth that piece of mind. Trust me 90% of the time a $69.99 or $79.99 game isnt near worth its price.
Its the only reason they (the console) holds such a big share of the money generation for game companies. Its sure not technological advancement.
The only issue I have with anything you wrote is this. -
"The PC is currently in the midst of something of a golden age of technological supremacy, and it seems that those joystick peddlers want to join our party.
Which can only be a good thing."
Im sorry no its not, and I think I jumped all over Mike B because he wrote something along those lines. When it comes to cross-platforming development the console is the bane of the PC.
I'll put out a few quotes to illustrate this short coming.
"A chain is only as strong as its weakest link." -unknown
"An army will march only as fast as its slowest unit" -Sun Tzu
And what is the weakest link in the console PC cross-platform development?
The console. I'll explain why.
- Its input device - the controller is by far inferior to the mouse and keyboard.
- Its GPU
- Its CPU
- Its memory
- Its storage space
- Its lack of upgradability
- and more
But to show Im not completely biased the console has one positive
+ Its cost
Which basically means that a cross developed game for the console and PC will have to factor in each one of those negatives.
Which means the best we can hope for as a PC gamer is the worst, because the console is so far, far below the potential of what the PC can handle.
Skyrim console and Skyrim PC with mods that take advantage of what the PC can do is a perfect example, and the difference is totally fucking laughable.
Ive said it another thread before. PC gaming suffers from cross-platform development, its true. We need companies to push the ability of what the PC can do, thats the kind of gaming I want.
I dont want a shitty consolized PC game or MMO.
"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."
Try to spin it any way you want, consoles are coming out of the closet, Deal with it.
I've heard the same tired old arguments for 20 years, but in the last 5 years consoles are Indeed making Inroads on the computer gaming industry.
Why are you so scared? Lol embrace it. I laugh at the singlemindedness of the pc is king crowd sometimes, even though I love pcs
over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting...
I was a x-box fan the console was strong but after E3 now I am sticking with PS4.
I just hope the PS4 does not brake like the first PS3,but you get mush more from ps plus than from x-box gold.
on ps plus you get 2 new aaa games every month basically that is 140$ and ps plus costs 60$ a year so its worth it.
I will always keep my pc(pc master race) ha ha you get more info about games but it costs the same as buing a console every 5 years.
obviously you can do mush more on a pc.
While I'm not surprised that most people here are PC gamers first, I'm surprised that there aren't more like myself that hop back and forth between console and PC.
I'm really excited about the new consoles (the PS4 more specifically) because there are more MMO-type games coming to them and sometimes I just want to get away from my PC and lounge back on my bed and play on a really big TV.
Currently playing:
Rift
Played:
SWToR, Aion,EQ, Dark Age of Camelot
World of Warcraft, AoC
its pretty pointless to buy a console for maybe 2 or 3 games.
gameplay > graphics
Thinking of getting my gf a Steambox though, because of the steam family sharing thing.
Built myself a new monster gaming rig just three months ago so that about answers that question. I did try to get used to using a gamepad awhile back and for the life of me I can't see the attraction, keyboard and mouse is just so much better.
I look at simple facts. In five years time the owners of Xbones and PS4's will be playing games that are five years out of date as far as graphics, gameplay etc. are concerned while us PC fanatics will be bang up to date. Sure we pay more for our rigs but considering the difference in price between console titles and those for the PC ( commonly about £10 or more ) who is really paying the most after five years of game purchases?
It appears that Xbox One owners will have a microphone and video camera on all the time in their house, feeding data to Microsoft.
No thanks.
edit: further research shows that the Kinect won't be required to be on, to use the Xbox One. You will, however, still have to buy one anyway.
No thanks.
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The old my PC will always have better graphics than the consoles really doesn't carry a lot of weight these days. The technology has reached the saturation point now and graphics are so good on consoles and PC these days that the difference is barely worth mentioning.
No the big advantage of the console is mainly ease of use, compatability, and a big old whopping discount over what the average PC gamer pays for a system.
Sure a PC does everything a console does but does it do it as easily or neatly as a console? Probably not.
Having a single system designed specifically for gaming and multimedia makes sense. The same as smartphones makes sense. PC's are a hobby that require a bit of technical know how to get the most out of, and definitely come with a higher price tag.
I like both and both have their place, as I see it. However my present needs are satisfied with the 360 and I never buy consoles until they have been out at least 2 -3 years. They become an excellent bargain at that point, with plenty of used games available. You have to have a pretty closed mind to ignore the consoles, IMO.
FFA Nonconsentual Full Loot PvP ...You know you want it!!
If only MMO's developers actually cared about leading edge graphics cards and quality, then maybe our PC's would be the superior gaming platforms so many PC gamers seem to think they are.
Thank god for MMO's, or the PC extinction would have continued and PC gaming would have officially died a decade ago, instead of just going into steep decline.
How many copies of Skyrim did Bethesda sell for the PC in comparison to Xbox again? 10 to one ratio? 100 to one ratio?
The money is in consoles, not in the overwhelming minority of PC gaming.
Next gen gaming hasn't been here and thriving on the PC, it's being ushered in due to the next gen consoles. Because you can get your next gen gaming fix for the fraction of what you have to spend on building a PC capable of true next gen gaming.
Nothing has changed. The past, present, and future of gaming is, and will always be, the consoles.
Pc gamers buy a more varied selection of games. Consoles tend to sell lots of copies of hype games from long running series with tons of marketing behind them, but sell bugger all of anything else. Console games tend to be boom or bust.
Look at the new cod. Now you could go it sold x copies on xbox and only y copies on pc so pc is less popular, using your flawed basing stuff on individual games "logic"
But
Cod currently Is not the best selling pc game. Football manager 2014 is. The Xcom expansion Is second.
As for consoles costing a fraction of pcs. Yeah when the last gen game out. Not now. You can build a pc that will comfortably out perform a ps4 for around £500
But here's the kicker. The games cost less money on pc as there's no mark up to the console manufacturer and there's more games on pc, so more competition. If you buy say 10+ games a year. You will have spent less money on a pc + games than you would on a console + games.
No, you can't built a PC that will outperform the next gen consoles for 500. That's about the cost of the components in the next gen consoles, and those are actually outdated components.
If you want to run next gen games at 60 FPS at the same fidelity you'll need to spend well over 500. Just the cards to run the games coming out are going to cost you near that much. Next gen PC gaming isn't in the realm of most PC gamers.
And game sales very much have everything to do with everything.
PC gaming was LITERALLY dying not long ago. Microsoft even had an entire marketing campaign geared at revitalizing PC gaming by bringing in a more unified gaming experience more akin to console gaming. They called it games for windows.
RTS and MMO's are a big reason for the continued existence of PC gaming.
There is no such thing as PC superiority in gaming. The very vast majority of PC gamers play games on console, and will be buying one of the new ones. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact.
If it wasn't for consoles, everyone would still be playing games in an arcade.
I mean, no one's crowd-funding console games, and the most popular independent games to release in the last few years didn't become mega hits because of the PC; it was because of the Xbox arcade and the PS store.
Games for Windows was
A) a really shite drm implementation, limited install, horrible ui etc..
Pc gaming was in the doldrums in the mid noughties. It's very healthy now, its the largest selling platform.
7870 hd - £140
1tb seagate barracuda - £40
Decent 550w psu about £50
Generic case, couple of fans, dvd drive about £40
Win 8 64bit £75
I'm not including monitor, because you don't include tv with console