Oh ya .. this whole thing isn't a rumor at all. It's even been on Gamesindustry.biz
It's a very interesting turn of events, especially if it actually happens. Curious to see who would be the buyer. Valve? No .... No, very unlikely. Hmmm ... what about Apple? HAA heck no, can't see that happening, they like to do their own thing.
I really can't think of anyone who would be a potential buyer. Though .... maybe Google? Google always seems to do things one never would expect.
I dont see gaming as a google thing. If it was they'd have backed that android console more. I definitely don't see them buying a windows / direct X based console though.
Yeah I don't see selling xbox first they are sold out everywhere and as someone posted part of their business model is to be your number choice for entertainment in your living room . How are they accomplishing this? Through the xbox one, so yes the selling of xbox is that just a rumor won't happen.
Pretty sure this is not the 1st time this rumor (granted the conspiracy theorist have the POTENTIAL new CEO leg to stand on this time) or last time it comes up. In the meantime Microsoft will continue to work their way into the #1 source of home entertainment thanks to the xbox one.
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I don't think you understand the situation.
The potential CEO DID say this. It isn't a rumor at all. It's not conspiracy. As for Microsoft being the #1 source of entertainment in the living room. You seriously are wearing rose tinted glasses rofl.
With new CEOs come new obligations for the company. If these obligations don't involve the living room entertainment, it's a huge possibility they would sell Xbox. It's not even a huge money maker for MS to begin with. So if you thin kthey have reason to keep it, you are greatly mistaken.
You forget what Microsoft as a company actually is. They didn't start of making living room entertainment and many in the industry feel MS sort of went off path and focused way to much on console gaming instead of PCs. They are a computer company before they are a gaming console company. Just remember that.
Sorry pal you are mistaken and wearing the rose tinted glasses.
Yeah I don't see selling xbox first they are sold out everywhere and as someone posted part of their business model is to be your number choice for entertainment in your living room . How are they accomplishing this? Through the xbox one, so yes the selling of xbox is that just a rumor won't happen.
Pretty sure this is not the 1st time this rumor (granted the conspiracy theorist have the POTENTIAL new CEO leg to stand on this time) or last time it comes up. In the meantime Microsoft will continue to work their way into the #1 source of home entertainment thanks to the xbox one.
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I don't think you understand the situation.
The potential CEO DID say this. It isn't a rumor at all. It's not conspiracy. As for Microsoft being the #1 source of entertainment in the living room. You seriously are wearing rose tinted glasses rofl.
With new CEOs come new obligations for the company. If these obligations don't involve the living room entertainment, it's a huge possibility they would sell Xbox. It's not even a huge money maker for MS to begin with. So if you thin kthey have reason to keep it, you are greatly mistaken.
You forget what Microsoft as a company actually is. They didn't start of making living room entertainment and many in the industry feel MS sort of went off path and focused way to much on console gaming instead of PCs. They are a computer company before they are a gaming console company. Just remember that.
Sorry pal you are mistaken and wearing the rose tinted glasses.
No potential buyers for the Xbox business were named in the Bloomberg report. Microsoft's Xbox unit has been healthy of late, posting positive figures for the latest quarter. The Xbox One launches two weeks from today on November 22.
Yeah I don't see selling xbox first they are sold out everywhere and as someone posted part of their business model is to be your number choice for entertainment in your living room . How are they accomplishing this? Through the xbox one, so yes the selling of xbox is that just a rumor won't happen.
Pretty sure this is not the 1st time this rumor (granted the conspiracy theorist have the POTENTIAL new CEO leg to stand on this time) or last time it comes up. In the meantime Microsoft will continue to work their way into the #1 source of home entertainment thanks to the xbox one.
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I don't think you understand the situation.
The potential CEO DID say this. It isn't a rumor at all. It's not conspiracy. As for Microsoft being the #1 source of entertainment in the living room. You seriously are wearing rose tinted glasses rofl.
With new CEOs come new obligations for the company. If these obligations don't involve the living room entertainment, it's a huge possibility they would sell Xbox. It's not even a huge money maker for MS to begin with. So if you thin kthey have reason to keep it, you are greatly mistaken.
You forget what Microsoft as a company actually is. They didn't start of making living room entertainment and many in the industry feel MS sort of went off path and focused way to much on console gaming instead of PCs. They are a computer company before they are a gaming console company. Just remember that.
Sorry pal you are mistaken and wearing the rose tinted glasses.
No potential buyers for the Xbox business were named in the Bloomberg report. Microsoft's Xbox unit has been healthy of late, posting positive figures for the latest quarter. The Xbox One launches two weeks from today on November 22.
That first articles doesn't say much considering right in the same article it says
"Mulally denied that he was leaving the Detroit-based car company earlier this month, telling AllThingsD that, "I continue to be focused on serving Ford."
Great that he is the top candidate .. but doesn't say much if he chooses not to do it.
Also keep in mind, im not saying it's going to happen. I am only reporting that it isn't a rumor, and it most certainly is a possibility. Anyone who thinks other wise ... are just simply blind. It's not like this is a question of .. if it was said or not, because it WAS said.
Now what do I think the chances of it happening are .... LOW .. very low. But to discount the possibility would be really stupid.
Originally posted by Torvaldr Two things the new Microsoft CEO shouldn't drop or really mess with: xbox and bing.
Why? Both are bleeding money, and neither really fits with Microsoft's core business.
Because both pay back Microsoft in something other than direct revenue and that is recognition. They could go to a core business strat and leave the desktop behind, but I think the name recognition in the household is what keeps Microsoft relevant.
I also think their old business strategy is not future proof as it once was. I also think a decent portion of the business and windows success is due to their name being a household word. I think both Bing and Xbox contribute heavily to that. They also tie heavily into Windows. What kind of OS would Windows 8 be without heavy Bing and Xbox integration along with Skydrive.
It's just something to the think about.
I never said anything about leaving the desktop behind. Microsoft was a household name long before they pulled out the XBox or Bing. As for what kind of OS Windows 8 would be without heavy bing, xbox, and skydrive integration? Probably a much better one.
The first Xbox made sense as a means of bridging the gap between PC and consoles by offering a system that shares development processes with Windows, namely Direct X (hence the name XBox). It was a known loss leader with the assumption that they needed to take the hit long enough to gain a foothold in the console market. Unfortunately, the XBox 360 ended up being no different, in large part because of how the hardware recalls and warranty issues plagued it for the first several years. It certainly became popular, but it never did make money. Neither did the games, for the most part (for Microsoft).
We are looking at 12 years of an entertainment division that's never really made any money. What's really bad is that, even though the XBox 360 is the clear "winner" for the last generation, all of that goodwill and "recognition" goes out the window with the new generation. Look at all the "XBone" hate to see just how far recognition really gets you when push comes to shove.
And Bing? It's a completely redundant service that was intended to help get MS into the ad selling business. They purchased a company (I forget the name at the moment) that was basically an AdSense competitor, and finally had to write the purchase off this year (again, I might be wrong on the timing; could have been last year) as a failure. We're left with Bing as a search engine that does nothing for MS aside from allowing them to not have to use Google. It isn't even that great of a search engine. A few years ago some people found out that Bing was actually doing a google search for some things when you did a Bing search. Not always, but it was something like, if Bing didn't have a real good search result for your request, it would search google and give you the results. They "fixed" it once it was publicized, but that should give you an idea of things.
I'm not a MS hater or anything. I think MS is a really strong company, although it has had a decade of really crappy leadership. XBox was a good attempt, but two console generations of actual losses is not worth the "recognition." It's not like the XBox brand would go away, if they do decide to spin it off. It would just get sold to another company, probably some new one founded by current XBox division employees or something, and work out an agreement to continue using the Live infrastructure or migrate player accounts to whatever they replace it with.
So again, the XBox brand isn't going away regardless of what Microsoft does. It's just not a brand Microsoft needs right now.
Originally posted by Torvaldr Two things the new Microsoft CEO shouldn't drop or really mess with: xbox and bing.
Why? Both are bleeding money, and neither really fits with Microsoft's core business.
Microsoft is killing its own core business. They are focusing on mobile now and doing everything they can to make sure the PC dies. Windows 8.1 is the most business unfriendly PoS they have ever released and they stated they have NO INTENTION of ever not releasing hybrid OSs.
This will kill their future office sales which is their money maker but as you can see from their buying out Nokia, they don't care. They want mobile to be their future too bad their future is a market they cant compete in. There is nothing they do that comes close to their competition.
I'm going to have to disagree with that. Enterprise (and business) adoption for Win 8 has been crappy, but it's not really because the OS is crappy for businesses. It's because Windows 7 is still available and perfectly suites their needs.
Having said that, Win 8 is actually great for businesses, from an administrative point of view. The new Active Directory changes and general server and network administration tools are really great, including a more robust set of Group Policy options.
The only thing that will kill off future Office sales is future Office versions that are trying to be tied to the cloud/skydrive. THAT is a problem for businesses, because it's forcing them into using a much more obscure licensing method that comes with a subscription, or pushes them into Volume Licensing, which runs about $100 more a copy than standard.
Originally posted by goldtoof They need to copy IBM and get more into corporate market, servers, SAP like systems and what have you. Under balmer they took their eye off the ball in the consumer area vs Google & apple (and I would argue valve also)
IBM were the kings of home computing,Microsoft came along and made them seem staid and old fashioned, so they moved to services and large corporate clients.
Google are currently doing the same thing to microsoft.
They are actually still very focused on the Enterprise. There's just no advertising push, so anyone who isn't in that industry probably doesn't notice. They aren't like Apple, who practically stopped producing new professional hardware and software while targeting the consumer market. MS is still very actively developing and releasing all kinds of new tech and software for the Enterprise. It may not be glamorous, but it's there.
Originally posted by lizardbonesUnless he went with the XBox company instead of staying with the parent company or kept a lot of stock from that company in his pocket that would be a stupid thing to do. Microsoft's entertainment division is their only profitable and growing division.
I think you've got your facts mixed up.
Apparently I do have my facts mixed up. Color me corrected, whatever color that is.
I would think, give the actual information I've been able to see that money being made or lost by the entertainment division and the online services division are not significant compared to their other divisions.
Their entertainment division is incredibly small, and the XBox part of that is among the smallest. What's really kind of funny is that MS makes about 2 billion a year from Android royalties, which is the only reason their entertainment division even makes money (or comes close to it, depending on the quarter). If you don't count that nice little cash cow, they're losing about 2 billion on Skype, XBox, and the mobile stuff
Originally posted by Torvaldr Two things the new Microsoft CEO shouldn't drop or really mess with: xbox and bing.
Why? Both are bleeding money, and neither really fits with Microsoft's core business.
Because both pay back Microsoft in something other than direct revenue and that is recognition. They could go to a core business strat and leave the desktop behind, but I think the name recognition in the household is what keeps Microsoft relevant.
I also think their old business strategy is not future proof as it once was. I also think a decent portion of the business and windows success is due to their name being a household word. I think both Bing and Xbox contribute heavily to that. They also tie heavily into Windows. What kind of OS would Windows 8 be without heavy Bing and Xbox integration along with Skydrive.
It's just something to the think about.
I never said anything about leaving the desktop behind. Microsoft was a household name long before they pulled out the XBox or Bing. As for what kind of OS Windows 8 would be without heavy bing, xbox, and skydrive integration? Probably a much better one.
The first Xbox made sense as a means of bridging the gap between PC and consoles by offering a system that shares development processes with Windows, namely Direct X (hence the name XBox). It was a known loss leader with the assumption that they needed to take the hit long enough to gain a foothold in the console market. Unfortunately, the XBox 360 ended up being no different, in large part because of how the hardware recalls and warranty issues plagued it for the first several years. It certainly became popular, but it never did make money. Neither did the games, for the most part (for Microsoft).
We are looking at 12 years of an entertainment division that's never really made any money. What's really bad is that, even though the XBox 360 is the clear "winner" for the last generation, all of that goodwill and "recognition" goes out the window with the new generation. Look at all the "XBone" hate to see just how far recognition really gets you when push comes to shove.
And Bing? It's a completely redundant service that was intended to help get MS into the ad selling business. They purchased a company (I forget the name at the moment) that was basically an AdSense competitor, and finally had to write the purchase off this year (again, I might be wrong on the timing; could have been last year) as a failure. We're left with Bing as a search engine that does nothing for MS aside from allowing them to not have to use Google. It isn't even that great of a search engine. A few years ago some people found out that Bing was actually doing a google search for some things when you did a Bing search. Not always, but it was something like, if Bing didn't have a real good search result for your request, it would search google and give you the results. They "fixed" it once it was publicized, but that should give you an idea of things.
I'm not a MS hater or anything. I think MS is a really strong company, although it has had a decade of really crappy leadership. XBox was a good attempt, but two console generations of actual losses is not worth the "recognition." It's not like the XBox brand would go away, if they do decide to spin it off. It would just get sold to another company, probably some new one founded by current XBox division employees or something, and work out an agreement to continue using the Live infrastructure or migrate player accounts to whatever they replace it with.
So again, the XBox brand isn't going away regardless of what Microsoft does. It's just not a brand Microsoft needs right now.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
No potential buyers for the Xbox business were named in the Bloomberg report. Microsoft's Xbox unit has been healthy of late, posting positive figures for the latest quarter. The Xbox One launches two weeks from today on November 22.
Man, it doesnt matter who is the leading candidate. He is among the very few who can get the CEO position, and he said himself that he would sell Xbox and Bing if he wins. Thats a fact. If you dont want to accept it thats ok. Nobody has said he will become a CEO and do those things he said he would do. But he is a potential candidate just like the other ones. You just dont want to accept there is a possibility of Xbox going away from MS. Who knows, if that ever happens maybe the Xbox improves more than what it is now with a new owner.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Sad thing is, that the advertising works. Time to round up those cattle.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Any chance you have a link to show the 5:1 ratio is accurate? A few post back I posted a link that states they have been posting positive figures last quarter. Last month was the 1st month PS3 outsold xbox 360 in 32 months. I guess Your the who has "takin it on the chin" since 2010.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Sad thing is, that the advertising works. Time to round up those cattle.
The advertising only 'works' if you make money off from it. Microsoft dosn't make much of anything from the Xbox.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Sad thing is, that the advertising works. Time to round up those cattle.
The advertising only 'works' if you make money off from it. Microsoft dosn't make much of anything from the Xbox.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Any chance you have a link to show the 5:1 ratio is accurate? A few post back I posted a link that states they have been posting positive figures last quarter. Last month was the 1st month PS3 outsold xbox 360 in 32 months. I guess Your the who has "takin it on the chin" since 2010.
Hes not talking about money, hes talking about the variety of exclusives each console had and that the PS3 had more triple A exclusives and that its still bringing out triple A exclusives near its end close to the launch of the next gens, with Beyond Two Souls and The Last of Us both released not too far back this year. And on top of that it has mmos like Final Fantasy 14 ARR and DC Universe.
Not to burst your bubble, but the XBox portion wasn't responsible for that. Android royalties account for about 2 billion out of the 2.5 reported. The new Surface tablet is a large part of the revenue.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Any chance you have a link to show the 5:1 ratio is accurate? A few post back I posted a link that states they have been posting positive figures last quarter. Last month was the 1st month PS3 outsold xbox 360 in 32 months. I guess Your the who has "takin it on the chin" since 2010.
Hes not talking about money, hes talking about the variety of exclusives each console had and that the PS3 had more triple A exclusives and that its still bringing out triple A exclusives near its end close to the launch of the next gens, with Beyond Two Souls and The Last of Us both released not too far back this year. And on top of that it has mmos like Final Fantasy 14 ARR and DC Universe.
Well you can't use ffxiv and dc based on ps fanbois take of titanfall not being xbox exclusive cause it's on the PC also. And ffxiv is not on xbox because ms would not allow cross platform.
Not to burst your bubble, but the XBox portion wasn't responsible for that. Android royalties account for about 2 billion out of the 2.5 reported. The new Surface tablet is a large part of the revenue.
Links are always helpful when you want to try and post facts . I posted a link that's says xbox was profitable last quarter you just post some baseless assumptions.
see I'll post another fact and post a link. Playstation has lost $8 BILLION
Links are always helpful when you want to try and post facts . I posted a link that's says xbox was profitable last quarter you just post some baseless assumptions.
see I'll post another fact and post a link. Playstation has lost $8 BILLION
Links are always helpful when you want to try and post facts . I posted a link that's says xbox was profitable last quarter you just post some baseless assumptions.
see I'll post another fact and post a link. Playstation has lost $8 BILLION
I'm not really going to get into how Sony is doing here. The thread is about MS. I'm not pro MS or pro Sony, just don't want to derail this.
That is not a link with facts. That's a link with estimates, probabilities and analyses from Sherland who has a history of hating on xbox. Yeah sorry I would take any estimates or analyses from him as I would from most posters on here.
Not to burst your bubble, but the XBox portion wasn't responsible for that. Android royalties account for about 2 billion out of the 2.5 reported. The new Surface tablet is a large part of the revenue.
Not to burst your bubble here is another link that says xbox is profitable and that xbox one will be profitable out of the gate.
"If you look at 360 that platform lasted for seven to eight years and it's going to go for another three years. It's incredibly profitable now in the tail."
Microsoft's Yusuf Mehdi has revealed that each sale of an Xbox One will be a break even transaction for Microsoft at the very least, suggesting that the machine is to be sold at profit from day one - a feat normally reserved for Nintendo.
Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Any chance you have a link to show the 5:1 ratio is accurate? A few post back I posted a link that states they have been posting positive figures last quarter. Last month was the 1st month PS3 outsold xbox 360 in 32 months. I guess Your the who has "takin it on the chin" since 2010.
Hes not talking about money, hes talking about the variety of exclusives each console had and that the PS3 had more triple A exclusives and that its still bringing out triple A exclusives near its end close to the launch of the next gens, with Beyond Two Souls and The Last of Us both released not too far back this year. And on top of that it has mmos like Final Fantasy 14 ARR and DC Universe.
Well you can't use ffxiv and dc based on ps fanbois take of titanfall not being xbox exclusive cause it's on the PC also. And ffxiv is not on xbox because ms would not allow cross platform.
Its exclusive when it comes to consoles, and what does titanfall have to do with anything? Im talking about PS3 and 360 as was the posts above me.
Links are always helpful when you want to try and post facts . I posted a link that's says xbox was profitable last quarter you just post some baseless assumptions.
see I'll post another fact and post a link. Playstation has lost $8 BILLION
I'm not really going to get into how Sony is doing here. The thread is about MS. I'm not pro MS or pro Sony, just don't want to derail this.
That is not a link with facts. That's a link with estimates, probabilities and analyses from Sherland who has a history of hating on xbox. Yeah sorry I would take any estimates or analyses from him as I would from most posters on here.
Well I could also point out that your links about XBox profits are also missing "facts" considering MS doesn't break their Devices and Entertainment division down by category.
Since you like posting links around, here's another. This one points out that, among other things, Microsoft makes nothing on the XBox.
See, the problem is that gaming sites (and tons others for that matter) label the Devices and Entertainment division as the "XBox division" which is inaccurate. The XBox and Live services are only part of that division, along with hardware like the Surface and mobile phones, services like Skype and the various cloud offerings (Azure) and Bing. The Android royalties also go into that division.
So what happens is you'll see some news headline that reads "XBox Division UP 55%" or "XBox Division See's 1.32B Profit" and people just assume they mean the XBox is doing really well.
It's not, and that's a really big reason why Microsoft is making sure they aren't selling the XBox One at a loss, like they did the other two versions. It's probably why the specs are a bit lower than people hoped for, and why they didn't budge from the $499 price point. They need the XBox to start pulling it's own weight.
About the only thing positive with any of it is their Live services keep growing. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't break down how many of those accounts are the normal free version and how many are the Gold memberships, so even those positive numbers need to be taken cautiously.
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I dont see gaming as a google thing. If it was they'd have backed that android console more. I definitely don't see them buying a windows / direct X based console though.
that has nothing to do with the fact (Fact) that the person who could potentially become the new MS CEO wants to sell and get rid of Xbox and Bing.
FACTS he is not even the leading candidate
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ford-ceo-top-candidate-to-replace-ballmer-at-microsoft-report/1100-6415054/
No potential buyers for the Xbox business were named in the Bloomberg report. Microsoft's Xbox unit has been healthy of late, posting positive figures for the latest quarter. The Xbox One launches two weeks from today on November 22.
That first articles doesn't say much considering right in the same article it says
"Mulally denied that he was leaving the Detroit-based car company earlier this month, telling AllThingsD that, "I continue to be focused on serving Ford."
Great that he is the top candidate .. but doesn't say much if he chooses not to do it.
Also keep in mind, im not saying it's going to happen. I am only reporting that it isn't a rumor, and it most certainly is a possibility. Anyone who thinks other wise ... are just simply blind. It's not like this is a question of .. if it was said or not, because it WAS said.
Now what do I think the chances of it happening are .... LOW .. very low. But to discount the possibility would be really stupid.
I never said anything about leaving the desktop behind. Microsoft was a household name long before they pulled out the XBox or Bing. As for what kind of OS Windows 8 would be without heavy bing, xbox, and skydrive integration? Probably a much better one.
The first Xbox made sense as a means of bridging the gap between PC and consoles by offering a system that shares development processes with Windows, namely Direct X (hence the name XBox). It was a known loss leader with the assumption that they needed to take the hit long enough to gain a foothold in the console market. Unfortunately, the XBox 360 ended up being no different, in large part because of how the hardware recalls and warranty issues plagued it for the first several years. It certainly became popular, but it never did make money. Neither did the games, for the most part (for Microsoft).
We are looking at 12 years of an entertainment division that's never really made any money. What's really bad is that, even though the XBox 360 is the clear "winner" for the last generation, all of that goodwill and "recognition" goes out the window with the new generation. Look at all the "XBone" hate to see just how far recognition really gets you when push comes to shove.
And Bing? It's a completely redundant service that was intended to help get MS into the ad selling business. They purchased a company (I forget the name at the moment) that was basically an AdSense competitor, and finally had to write the purchase off this year (again, I might be wrong on the timing; could have been last year) as a failure. We're left with Bing as a search engine that does nothing for MS aside from allowing them to not have to use Google. It isn't even that great of a search engine. A few years ago some people found out that Bing was actually doing a google search for some things when you did a Bing search. Not always, but it was something like, if Bing didn't have a real good search result for your request, it would search google and give you the results. They "fixed" it once it was publicized, but that should give you an idea of things.
I'm not a MS hater or anything. I think MS is a really strong company, although it has had a decade of really crappy leadership. XBox was a good attempt, but two console generations of actual losses is not worth the "recognition." It's not like the XBox brand would go away, if they do decide to spin it off. It would just get sold to another company, probably some new one founded by current XBox division employees or something, and work out an agreement to continue using the Live infrastructure or migrate player accounts to whatever they replace it with.
So again, the XBox brand isn't going away regardless of what Microsoft does. It's just not a brand Microsoft needs right now.
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I'm going to have to disagree with that. Enterprise (and business) adoption for Win 8 has been crappy, but it's not really because the OS is crappy for businesses. It's because Windows 7 is still available and perfectly suites their needs.
Having said that, Win 8 is actually great for businesses, from an administrative point of view. The new Active Directory changes and general server and network administration tools are really great, including a more robust set of Group Policy options.
The only thing that will kill off future Office sales is future Office versions that are trying to be tied to the cloud/skydrive. THAT is a problem for businesses, because it's forcing them into using a much more obscure licensing method that comes with a subscription, or pushes them into Volume Licensing, which runs about $100 more a copy than standard.
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They are actually still very focused on the Enterprise. There's just no advertising push, so anyone who isn't in that industry probably doesn't notice. They aren't like Apple, who practically stopped producing new professional hardware and software while targeting the consumer market. MS is still very actively developing and releasing all kinds of new tech and software for the Enterprise. It may not be glamorous, but it's there.
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Their entertainment division is incredibly small, and the XBox part of that is among the smallest. What's really kind of funny is that MS makes about 2 billion a year from Android royalties, which is the only reason their entertainment division even makes money (or comes close to it, depending on the quarter). If you don't count that nice little cash cow, they're losing about 2 billion on Skype, XBox, and the mobile stuff
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Just wondering where you got the idea that Xbox 360 was the 'winner' of last generation? Are you only referencing the US? Because Globally it actually did the worst out of all 3 last gen consoles.
What is even more humorous is that Nintendo is staying profitable with their flop of a console Wii U. While Microsoft has barely evened out their costs for the Xbox and Sony recently lost 2.8 million to the playstation division.
As a side note: I know there are a lot of heated debated revolved around consoles vrs pcs and one another killing each other, but at this point it seems that consoles will kill them selves due to such high development costs/marketing.
That was sort of why I included the quotes around the word 'winner.' Most gamer's seem to agree that, out of the three consoles, the XBox 360 has the most traction. Multi-platform game releases sell the largest number on the XBox, and it has the most popular matchmaking service thing with Live.
But yeah, if you break it down by financial numbers, things get a bit murky, hence the quotations.
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Man, it doesnt matter who is the leading candidate. He is among the very few who can get the CEO position, and he said himself that he would sell Xbox and Bing if he wins. Thats a fact. If you dont want to accept it thats ok. Nobody has said he will become a CEO and do those things he said he would do. But he is a potential candidate just like the other ones. You just dont want to accept there is a possibility of Xbox going away from MS. Who knows, if that ever happens maybe the Xbox improves more than what it is now with a new owner.
Xbox has been taking it on the chin pretty much since PS Plus launched in 2010, and even before that. Past few years PlayStation has released exclusives at about 5:1 per year compared to Xbox. Xbox was winning until they abandoned their fan base.
Every time I turn on the TV I see something sponsored or an advertisement for Xbox. If they spent as much money developing games as they do advertising then they may have a chance. Seems like they are resorting to gimmicks in my opinion.
Sad thing is, that the advertising works. Time to round up those cattle.
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Any chance you have a link to show the 5:1 ratio is accurate? A few post back I posted a link that states they have been posting positive figures last quarter. Last month was the 1st month PS3 outsold xbox 360 in 32 months. I guess Your the who has "takin it on the chin" since 2010.
The advertising only 'works' if you make money off from it. Microsoft dosn't make much of anything from the Xbox.
Might want to check your facts
http://m.joystiq.com/2013/04/18/microsoft-video-game-division-turns-a-profit-in-q3/
Hes not talking about money, hes talking about the variety of exclusives each console had and that the PS3 had more triple A exclusives and that its still bringing out triple A exclusives near its end close to the launch of the next gens, with Beyond Two Souls and The Last of Us both released not too far back this year. And on top of that it has mmos like Final Fantasy 14 ARR and DC Universe.
Not to burst your bubble, but the XBox portion wasn't responsible for that. Android royalties account for about 2 billion out of the 2.5 reported. The new Surface tablet is a large part of the revenue.
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Well you can't use ffxiv and dc based on ps fanbois take of titanfall not being xbox exclusive cause it's on the PC also. And ffxiv is not on xbox because ms would not allow cross platform.
Links are always helpful when you want to try and post facts . I posted a link that's says xbox was profitable last quarter you just post some baseless assumptions.
see I'll post another fact and post a link. Playstation has lost $8 BILLION
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-game-unit-loses-8-million/1100-6415881/
http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-earns-2-billion-per-year-from-android-patent-royalties-2013-11
There you go.
I'm not really going to get into how Sony is doing here. The thread is about MS. I'm not pro MS or pro Sony, just don't want to derail this.
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That is not a link with facts. That's a link with estimates, probabilities and analyses from Sherland who has a history of hating on xbox. Yeah sorry I would take any estimates or analyses from him as I would from most posters on here.
Not to burst your bubble here is another link that says xbox is profitable and that xbox one will be profitable out of the gate.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-09-05-xbox-one-will-be-break-even-or-profit-making-from-launch
A couple highlights for you....
"If you look at 360 that platform lasted for seven to eight years and it's going to go for another three years. It's incredibly profitable now in the tail."
Microsoft's Yusuf Mehdi has revealed that each sale of an Xbox One will be a break even transaction for Microsoft at the very least, suggesting that the machine is to be sold at profit from day one - a feat normally reserved for Nintendo.
Its exclusive when it comes to consoles, and what does titanfall have to do with anything? Im talking about PS3 and 360 as was the posts above me.
Well I could also point out that your links about XBox profits are also missing "facts" considering MS doesn't break their Devices and Entertainment division down by category.
Since you like posting links around, here's another. This one points out that, among other things, Microsoft makes nothing on the XBox.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/20/sell-microsoft-now-game-over-ballmer-loses/
See, the problem is that gaming sites (and tons others for that matter) label the Devices and Entertainment division as the "XBox division" which is inaccurate. The XBox and Live services are only part of that division, along with hardware like the Surface and mobile phones, services like Skype and the various cloud offerings (Azure) and Bing. The Android royalties also go into that division.
So what happens is you'll see some news headline that reads "XBox Division UP 55%" or "XBox Division See's 1.32B Profit" and people just assume they mean the XBox is doing really well.
It's not, and that's a really big reason why Microsoft is making sure they aren't selling the XBox One at a loss, like they did the other two versions. It's probably why the specs are a bit lower than people hoped for, and why they didn't budge from the $499 price point. They need the XBox to start pulling it's own weight.
About the only thing positive with any of it is their Live services keep growing. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't break down how many of those accounts are the normal free version and how many are the Gold memberships, so even those positive numbers need to be taken cautiously.
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