D2 is best of series by far. D3 has been left in the past as far as the genre goes, there are several other games in the genre that are deeper & more innovative.
Console version might have fixes the game needs, wouldn't know as I don't own it at the moment, doesn't change the fact D3 was completely average at its release and the PC version still is and will be for a good while yet.
Hardcore is practically pointless and just as mediocre too due to the lack of any random elements and the fact items are completely generic. This even more true now you can complete MP0 relatively easily.
According to YOU, not according to the massive supports it gets from the console USER reviews these latest weeks.
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But I PLAY D3 on PC hardcore - die once , avatar dead forever.
D3 shines UNIQUELY in a game where perma death is COMBINED with an in game Auction House in hardcore.
You will not find this combo of a central trading Auction House with a hardcore (permadeath) game ANYWHERE.
Only EVE comes close, but even there you can actually make a back up copy of the avatar.
So playing, crafting, trading in a perma death game is unbelievable and a really new cool kind of play.
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Certainly in possibilties: do you create a shadow avatar? do you stock old gear to soften the death blow? Crafting plans still exist over death ... should I go for higher Paragons or MP and so gain better resources to trade or craft? Should I go to kill Diablo Inferno with all classes and risk to LOOSE everything ?
Holy grail of perma death on line play is here for the grabs AND combined with a trading AH ... reigned by ... death, that is constantly reset every day because ... your buying avatars today ... can be ... dead tomorrow...
You have really no clue what you talk about if you didn't experience this in D3 end game first hand ...
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The odd fact is that this site searched for a meaningful on line game for years ...with huge challenge AND central trading and a worthy economy... and Diablo 3 in HARDCORE ( by perma death) offers it in SPADES.
Why would anyone want to grind the same exact thing over and over again just for the sake of it? The areas are a the same, items are the same, classes are the same and getting randomly instagibbed because those are the only things that can kill you in D3 are the same.
If I want perma death, I'd rather play a proper roguelike.
Originally posted by sportsfan
D3 shines UNIQUELY in a game where perma death is COMBINED with an in game Auction House in hardcore.
Who cares about trading when every item is exactly the same, the only reason the HC economy isn't broken is nobody cares to play HC seriously.
I favour D1 over D2 though both are very good games - D3 is a big disapointment and nowehre a unique "Snowflake".
It seems there is a huge backward evolution ongoing about the capabilities of devs to produce good games and they fail to meet even Standards that were set over a decade ago. Probably bcs the new Generation of Devs is grown up with games they try to streamline but streamlined crap is even more crap while the old Devs did grow up with Boardgames and Skillgames and the Imagination of Virtual Reality and Game Worlds while living out a Passion as game developers instead of doing slave hours for slave wages in a slave business.
Well, if you let it happen you deserve it!
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Diablo 3 was awesome. TL2 was boring and bland. The graphics were horrible and the environments/quests were boring and easily forgotten. @the guy who was complaining about d3 having four short scenarios, LOL. This is an arpg. What did you expect?
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Sometimes I just start short D3 sessions because I love the combat on this game. I love the physics, the feeling off destroying objects and reaping countless mobs in a very fast pace.
been playing it over a year in short sessions and I still love it, lately been playing on hardcore and its a blast!
The upcoming expansion seems to adress alot of problems pointed by the community so IMO the future seems bright for D3 , just keep the dungeons dark
Do you guys played any game where the combact feels so great as in D3? I really would like to know your opinion.
Please leave the RMAH subject out of this thread.
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Originally posted by fivoroth Diablo 3 was awesome. TL2 was boring and bland. The graphics were horrible and the environments/quests were boring and easily forgotten. @the guy who was complaining about d3 having four short scenarios, LOL. This is an arpg. What did you expect?
This is obviously a joke, right? I'm gonna assume this is a joke. Good one fivoroth! D3 better than TL2! Hahaha! That's a funny one!
Originally posted by fivoroth Diablo 3 was awesome. TL2 was boring and bland. The graphics were horrible and the environments/quests were boring and easily forgotten. @the guy who was complaining about d3 having four short scenarios, LOL. This is an arpg. What did you expect?
This is obviously a joke, right? I'm gonna assume this is a joke. Good one fivoroth! D3 better than TL2! Hahaha! That's a funny one!
nah .. the joke is that you think everyone should agree with your opinion.
Originally posted by Gorwe I always suspected that OP had a point, but after yesterday...no comment.
I played, no scratch that-no lifed Diablo 3 for 11 and 1/2 hours straight. With no pauses. Just straight up playing. Gotta one up that one tho .
Meanwhile, I can play other games for 5 hours max-even if that. Let alone 11...
It takes a special game to bring that out of me. Tbh, I thought that I changed and that I couldn't play more than 5h-even if that. After yesterday of what I am certain is just how average games are these days. So dumbed down, so casualised that I can't even play them like a real gamer I am lol. All in the name of them casuals. In short:
MP 10 HC rules! Oneshot trololollo xD
I am glad you enjoy the game. It is my favorite game now.
Now .. i would admit that i am no where close to as hard core as you. I only play softcore, and i use the AH. But i would claim that even soft-core has plenty of challenges at high MP, unless you have the best end-game gear (which obviously i don't).
I have sold the gear of my main though ... cause while the game is great, it is getting a bit repetitive, and i am now changing to a wait-for-the-expansion mode although i still play my alts to increase my paragon experience.
When the ladders come, they won't wipe all the chars will they? If they will it sucks hardcore...
I always loved Diablo. Ever since I played it on PS xD. Then the HC /players 8 and now HC MP 10. It's good. Funny enough, I don't really like PoE. Guess that lore+polish is botched up good. But then again you can't compare most of games to Diablo with perhaps the exception of IPd games(neither all of them are as lore-y and polished mind you!).
Plus it's therapeutical seeing how I have an issue with MMOs and deaths(I enforce HC on every MMO I play). I think that if I finish HC with all 5(it'll have been 6 by that time) characters. Bron, Viktor, Karl, Tydus, Raphael and Ushabti. I'll leave it you to guess who is who xD(two-three are obvious). In that order. 7k hp with 350 dmg ok for lvl 38? xD
Oh and any idea how much is Int/Vit socketed winter flurry worth?
No. I doubt they will ever wipe characters.
If you want to play some other ARPGs, try incredible adventure of van helsing. It is indie but very polished, just smaller in scope than D3. It is a good game to play when you take a break from D3.
D3 was a bad game imo. I just didn't enjoy it like the amazing d2 and the meridian xl mod to d2 (prob the best of this style of game EVER MADE, might never be beaten). Path of the exile is also pretty good but its end game with the map system is just bad (it would be fine if they actually dropped at any rate). Also its importance of specific items over item stats and Linked items over stats is a weakness imo (as the difficulty is in getting links on items not great stats , but many builds just don't work without linked gear this give the game a HIGH HIGH power curve where you just suck at high levels forever.)
If you enjoy the game do check out meridian XL you'll never regret it.
PS. i did enjoy leveling in the game etc, im not saying it was worthless just not as amazing, more so end game, as previously mentioned games.
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Well everyone has his or her opinion. I like it a lot, and more than any MMO. Some don't. There is no arguing about taste.
In aggregate, it has high review scores (i.e. most critics like it), and it sold a lot. You can argue reviews and sales do not concern you (certainly true). But since it is liked by many and bought by many, Blizz (and other devs) would probably go down the direction and cater for those who like it (since that audience is big).
In aggregate, it has high review scores (i.e. most critics like it), and it sold a lot. You can argue reviews and sales do not concern you (certainly true). But since it is liked by many and bought by many, Blizz (and other devs) would probably go down the direction and cater for those who like it (since that audience is big).
"Professional" reviews are nothing more than marketing these days, the aggregate review of actual GAMERS slaps D3 in the mediocre to garbage scores.
Sure D3 sold well but I bet less than 1% of those played it for any extended period, certainly far less than Blizzard hoped would. The only true statement you can draw from that is D3 totally failed to match the hyped behind its launch, even more so than games like GW2.
I mean you can bang on about pointless stats and how awesome you think D3 is but the fact is Blizzard themselves think its so bad they are basically throwing everything but the combat out of the window for RoS.
That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.
And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market
This is an ACTION rpg,, not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .
The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other
The end of the real money and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.
That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.
And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market
This is an ACTION rpg,, not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .
The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other
The end of the real money and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.
Yeah. The game is already pretty awesome just because combat is done so well. Now other aspects of the game will be improved too.
I especially like the loot run concept .. that is the key for long term play.
That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.
And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market
This is an ACTION rpg,, not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .
The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other
The end of the real money and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.
Fully disagree. The economic game of D3 was interesting since players traded.
After patch 1.05, you didn't need to use the AH at all to down Diablo in Inferno.
D3 WAS unique in hardcore mode solo play and an in game Auction House with limited means and sudden death ...
It was awesome while it lasted, now without a central AH it is just number 15 in a dozen. Boring because 50% of the game was deleted.
Blizzard simply cut the RMAH because it no longer made enough money. So smart marketing, but is was just a revenue decision.
Originally posted by madnessman13 Dude there are so many games like Diablo 3! have you never played any other game like Diablo? Diablo is an action RPG where looting and character advancement are the main attractions to the game. There are many games like Diablo such as torchlight 1 and 2, Akanerio demon hunters, Marvel heros, kingsroad, path of exile, champions return to arms, ect ect it goes on for awhile.
I have tried torch light 1 and 2, I didn't like the graphics, combat, animation.. makes me feel bored after a while.
As for marvel heroes.. besides the itemization is good. the rest is mediocre. skills tree, combat lacks impact..
Path of exile.. hit box issue, combat is frustrating. skill system is good though.. mix and match, you can have lots varations.
KingsRoad the pace is too slow. and the map is level by level stage which i didn't like.
Haven't try champions return to arm and Akanerio demon hunters.
Despite Diablo 3 tons of issue, i still pretty much enjoy playing Diablo 3. I couldn't find a APRG as polished as Diablo 3.
D3 was a heavily flawed game but so are TL2 and PoE, that genre of game just doesn't have a strong release lately. The last good one I played was Titan's Quest which to be honest was better than D2. The only thing that made D2 good was that you could mod it into a better game and now they are saying that was a mistake on their part~.
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Yes, you miss the part about good review scores?
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According to YOU, not according to the massive supports it gets from the console USER reviews these latest weeks.
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But I PLAY D3 on PC hardcore - die once , avatar dead forever.
D3 shines UNIQUELY in a game where perma death is COMBINED with an in game Auction House in hardcore.
You will not find this combo of a central trading Auction House with a hardcore (permadeath) game ANYWHERE.
Only EVE comes close, but even there you can actually make a back up copy of the avatar.
So playing, crafting, trading in a perma death game is unbelievable and a really new cool kind of play.
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Certainly in possibilties: do you create a shadow avatar? do you stock old gear to soften the death blow? Crafting plans still exist over death ... should I go for higher Paragons or MP and so gain better resources to trade or craft? Should I go to kill Diablo Inferno with all classes and risk to LOOSE everything ?
Holy grail of perma death on line play is here for the grabs AND combined with a trading AH ... reigned by ... death, that is constantly reset every day because ... your buying avatars today ... can be ... dead tomorrow...
You have really no clue what you talk about if you didn't experience this in D3 end game first hand ...
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The odd fact is that this site searched for a meaningful on line game for years ...with huge challenge AND central trading and a worthy economy... and Diablo 3 in HARDCORE ( by perma death) offers it in SPADES.
Fabulous and best gaming I had in decades.
Why would anyone want to grind the same exact thing over and over again just for the sake of it? The areas are a the same, items are the same, classes are the same and getting randomly instagibbed because those are the only things that can kill you in D3 are the same.
If I want perma death, I'd rather play a proper roguelike.
Who cares about trading when every item is exactly the same, the only reason the HC economy isn't broken is nobody cares to play HC seriously.
I favour D1 over D2 though both are very good games - D3 is a big disapointment and nowehre a unique "Snowflake".
It seems there is a huge backward evolution ongoing about the capabilities of devs to produce good games and they fail to meet even Standards that were set over a decade ago.
Probably bcs the new Generation of Devs is grown up with games they try to streamline but streamlined crap is even more crap while the old Devs did grow up with Boardgames and Skillgames and the Imagination of Virtual Reality and Game Worlds while living out a Passion as game developers instead of doing slave hours for slave wages in a slave business.
Well, if you let it happen you deserve it!
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@the guy who was complaining about d3 having four short scenarios, LOL. This is an arpg. What did you expect?
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She will show you far more excitement than D3 ever will...
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This is obviously a joke, right? I'm gonna assume this is a joke. Good one fivoroth! D3 better than TL2! Hahaha! That's a funny one!
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Damn, that is a really cool rogue-like. Thanks for showing that!
nah .. the joke is that you think everyone should agree with your opinion.
Because it is a even bigger challenge?
I made it to efficient MP9 farming before i stop and wait for the expansion.
I am glad you enjoy the game. It is my favorite game now.
Now .. i would admit that i am no where close to as hard core as you. I only play softcore, and i use the AH. But i would claim that even soft-core has plenty of challenges at high MP, unless you have the best end-game gear (which obviously i don't).
I have sold the gear of my main though ... cause while the game is great, it is getting a bit repetitive, and i am now changing to a wait-for-the-expansion mode although i still play my alts to increase my paragon experience.
No. I doubt they will ever wipe characters.
If you want to play some other ARPGs, try incredible adventure of van helsing. It is indie but very polished, just smaller in scope than D3. It is a good game to play when you take a break from D3.
D3 was a bad game imo. I just didn't enjoy it like the amazing d2 and the meridian xl mod to d2 (prob the best of this style of game EVER MADE, might never be beaten). Path of the exile is also pretty good but its end game with the map system is just bad (it would be fine if they actually dropped at any rate). Also its importance of specific items over item stats and Linked items over stats is a weakness imo (as the difficulty is in getting links on items not great stats , but many builds just don't work without linked gear this give the game a HIGH HIGH power curve where you just suck at high levels forever.)
If you enjoy the game do check out meridian XL you'll never regret it.
PS. i did enjoy leveling in the game etc, im not saying it was worthless just not as amazing, more so end game, as previously mentioned games.
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Well everyone has his or her opinion. I like it a lot, and more than any MMO. Some don't. There is no arguing about taste.
In aggregate, it has high review scores (i.e. most critics like it), and it sold a lot. You can argue reviews and sales do not concern you (certainly true). But since it is liked by many and bought by many, Blizz (and other devs) would probably go down the direction and cater for those who like it (since that audience is big).
From what i read, i expect to like the expansion.
"Professional" reviews are nothing more than marketing these days, the aggregate review of actual GAMERS slaps D3 in the mediocre to garbage scores.
Sure D3 sold well but I bet less than 1% of those played it for any extended period, certainly far less than Blizzard hoped would. The only true statement you can draw from that is D3 totally failed to match the hyped behind its launch, even more so than games like GW2.
I mean you can bang on about pointless stats and how awesome you think D3 is but the fact is Blizzard themselves think its so bad they are basically throwing everything but the combat out of the window for RoS.
"but the combat out of the window"
That’s the all point of my first post, D3 is one of a kind in what concerns combat mechanics, physics and dynamics.
And that on my book is much more important than creating a good AH or a lot of content in order to rival other mmorpgs on the market
This is an ACTION rpg,, not a monopoly typhoon or a sandbox multiplayer economy like Project Entropia or EVE Online .
The main purpose of this game is hack and slash and that my friends , D3 does is better like no other
The end of the real money and gold auction house announcement enforces this and if Blizzard manages to implement all the upcoming changes on the next patch and expansion, we have an awesome game for the next years to come.
I personally like Path of Exile. Felt more Diablo to me than D3 did but I honestly thought the story and tree line of diablo 3 was really bad.
Yeah. The game is already pretty awesome just because combat is done so well. Now other aspects of the game will be improved too.
I especially like the loot run concept .. that is the key for long term play.
Fully disagree. The economic game of D3 was interesting since players traded.
After patch 1.05, you didn't need to use the AH at all to down Diablo in Inferno.
D3 WAS unique in hardcore mode solo play and an in game Auction House with limited means and sudden death ...
It was awesome while it lasted, now without a central AH it is just number 15 in a dozen. Boring because 50% of the game was deleted.
Blizzard simply cut the RMAH because it no longer made enough money. So smart marketing, but is was just a revenue decision.
I have tried torch light 1 and 2, I didn't like the graphics, combat, animation.. makes me feel bored after a while.
As for marvel heroes.. besides the itemization is good. the rest is mediocre. skills tree, combat lacks impact..
Path of exile.. hit box issue, combat is frustrating. skill system is good though.. mix and match, you can have lots varations.
KingsRoad the pace is too slow. and the map is level by level stage which i didn't like.
Haven't try champions return to arm and Akanerio demon hunters.
Despite Diablo 3 tons of issue, i still pretty much enjoy playing Diablo 3. I couldn't find a APRG as polished as Diablo 3.
@OP: It's just you.
One good example would be Path of Exile.
D3 was a heavily flawed game but so are TL2 and PoE, that genre of game just doesn't have a strong release lately. The last good one I played was Titan's Quest which to be honest was better than D2. The only thing that made D2 good was that you could mod it into a better game and now they are saying that was a mistake on their part~.