After reading the article, my reaction is still kind of what the fuck.
Its a completely bizarre concept and i could list at least a dozen reasons why it probably wont work. But you know what? It just may work. No harm in trying and I wish it well.
Originally posted by Jaedor Interesting premise. The argument about P2W is also intriguing, but I wonder if it did a /whoosh over most heads. Never would have found this without the interview so thanks, Suzie.
Yeah, this game being P2W seems to have completely been lost upon the majority of people.
Originally posted by nerovipus32 Bringing women's fantasies to videos games to be played by males. This one of the reasons im uneasy around gamers..
I know alot of women gamers. I'm one of them. I have, occasionally, had male toons though. In many modern games, different genders stories play out differently and its interesting to see how they do. Not to mention that occasionally they have a really sexy voice (like the male bounty hunter voice on SWTOR) that's nice to listen to.
It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, you can never go wrong with Steve Blum voicing your character.
I just told my wife about this and she got excited ... she's not typically a gamer, so maybe this will get her more interested in mmo's.
Personally, I've never read any of Jane Austen's works. Mainly because I'm more of a Tolkien man myself. However, I could see something like this being as enjoyable for Austen fans as LOTRO has been for Tolkien fans. Could be a new niche market.
This explains quite a bit about the prototype, and was quite informative to me personally. I can honestly say that I went in expecting a little more than was on the table. As someone who has never read a Jane Austen books (as I said in the other thread.) I see some pretty good potential in this Kickstarter project as its very fresh.
Regardless of the very specific (Smart-Above-Average Intelligence) (Women) targeted audience, which does not include me at all. I find myself slightly intrigued about the whole project. Targeting a certain audience to me does matter, as I would never lay my hands on a "Kids" labeled game. Example such as Fox-Math-Games or games labeled for young "Girls" dress-up/Hello Kitty Adventure. Etc.
Why not include men in your targeted audience? Are you making a fun game, or just a game that only women would enjoy playing? Would reading a Jane Austen Novel really cause my manhood to be "left at the door." (Lol) A trend is going on currently, with males wishing you the best and moving on. Cause you're excluding a large part of gamers, the good fellas. When I logged onto your prototype I saw male characters present, thus id assume we would be apart of your targeted audience. Unless women are going to be filling those roles in our steed, while we go back to call of duty (27) or whatever.
Judy Tyrer: 3 Turn Productions has as its goal bringing women’s fantasies to video games. We are targeting the well-educated woman of above average intelligence. And while the woman’s market is by no means monolithic, Mr. Darcy is a fairly common fantasy across the board, especially when played by Collin Firth in a wet shirt.
What if a man is tired of the same copy and pasted rinse and repeat crap that has come out over the years, and wants something fresh and something new? If you're making a fun game, even if Jane Austen novels are targeted towards young women. That targeted audience was well over 100's of years ago- I want to be apart of that targeted audience as well and play a fun game.
You have potential, but not if you exclude a whole gender audience that being any ADULT in general male or female- I think it's great that you're bringing "womens fantasies" to video games whatever that means, but I also understand why the current trend of this game "isn't for me" and "wish you luck, moving on.", as well as Jane Austen novels aren't for me. But my main question to you is, why won't you promote Jane Austen books to more than just one gender audience in particular, why not open up the books to more than just females? I'm not saying men would like to read jane austen, but if you made a fun game~ It would get the word out about her excelling english-writing skills, and well written books that support positive thinking towards women in general.
I know it sounds like I'm screaming for a male version of hello kitty online (blue instead of pink) ...(I'm really not), I'm just saying its unfair that you're excluding men in your targeted audience in general, not all of us are like Nervipous32 some of us are quite rarely unique. Open up your audience, and show us you can make a fun game. FOR EVERYONE and not just WOMEN. Please don't make Jane Austen and Ever, Jane about just WOMEN! SBFord said it like it is 45% of women make up gamers globally, please don't exclude the other half. We want a fun game just as much as women do, we played a part in the 1800's! ya-know! lol -Open up your targeted audience, and then you will pave a way for more potential when you include everyone.
I'm sure women want a fun game, just like men. Right? So dag-nab-it! Women who play call of duty are women who play call of duty, and women who play male characters are women who play male characters. Anyone who thinks women don't play games is ignorant and just being a plain old troll. We all play games for one reason, which we each share.
WE PLAY GAMES FOR FUN BOTH GENDERS AND I WANT A FUN MMO, AND THIS IS SOMETHING FRESH AND NEW
SO PLEASE INCLUDE MEN IN YOUR TARGETED AUDIENCE, REGARDLESS OF JANE AUSTEN BOOKS NOT TARGETING US, WE ULTIMATELY JUST WANT A FUN GAME. It's not the 1800's anymore-ya know? You could argue that the targeted audience does not matter, and males will play regardless. That's true....but isn't what we all want is a fun game, I mean I see so much more potential in this, if you just open up your audience. We're talking simulation of the 1800's and roleplaying epicness which the world has never seen before in an MMO. It's great to follow the books but always remember you're building a game, and it's meant to be fun. and don't females like fun too?.. maybe its a mars type of fun that men won't ever understand? IDK
(Goldshire roleplaying anyone?) Just kidding. lol that would be horrible.
what's say you? Too much? .. lol
And here is a link for anyone who likes good poems and poetry and ...whatever just take a look at it cuz its good ;-;
TL;DR - Not the targeted audience, thus it makes me sort of sad. Isn't this suppose to be a fun game? Wouldn't it be a good thing to open the world of Jane Austen to more than just women? I mean I wouldn't mind playing in the 1800's and doing some good old Roleplaying. It sounds like fun. I'm not saying re-write Jane Austen's books, I'm just saying include men in your game creation, cause after all we DO EXIST in the world. & Male Characters are present in the prototype! and why only (Smart/Above Average Intelligence?)
Maybe I'm missing the target completely? This game IS for fun......right? women like playing fun games, and so do men...so...include us?
Game looks great, will be supporting it very soon with a $30 donation.
Best of luck for real! I do see the potential....but can only hope you see it as well! (with males included, if (only slightly!!) in your targeted audience.)
Originally posted by nerovipus32 Bringing women's fantasies to videos games to be played by males. This one of the reasons im uneasy around gamers..
You are mistaken if you think there isn't a significant percentage of female gamers. I will look it up, but the last analysis I read stated that 30-40% of all gamers are female. Maybe having more games geared directly at women will increase that even more.
Yes stats point out that around 40% of all gamers are female and that this is likely to grow in the coming years. What these stats however don't explain is that an overwhelming part of these women play social games on facebook, zylom and stuff like candy crush and ruzzle.
The traditional "video game" market however, where most games on this site are part of, is still dominated by men. You look at most guilds in most online mmo's and you'll find the large majority being male with a just few women. Only in hardcore roleplaying guilds do you sometimes find a more equal population.
If game companies want to change that they have to look at what does attract women. The Sims for example is a more or less traditional video game that has managed to attract a large female population. In online gaming I remember There (there.com) loosely based on the sims online, having a huge female population, just from hearing the voicechat in that game probably around 60% are female.
So the secret to attracting more women, is to focus on communication and make games more social and focus more on the community and fun aspect of games.
Also, since this is a game for women, I must be a manist. This game portrays men in an unrealistic fashion. This is sexist.
The funny thing is that most games have unrealistic portrayals of both men and women (he-man and barbie). I think because they are mostly designed for a male market the portrayal of women is still considered sexist.
Fashion magazines generally made for a female market, however; where everyone is air-brushed to the extreme and turned into some absurd perfectionist image; that is apparently acceptable?
Originally posted by Maelzrael Doesn't this game further push the stereotype that woman only like pretty pink dollies and need seperate game worlds with no combat in order to have fun?
I think that's what we have ended up playing in every modern easyMMOde game, so we are all in the same doll house regardless of gender.
Originally posted by The1ceQueen I pledged because it's different. I'm sick of the same old mmo's we've had for years now. Quest and pvp gear grind til you're bored to death, that's not a true mmorpg to me. I like that companies are starting to lean toward more sandbox ideas for mmo's...back to where it started, and what made them mmorpg's, we need more of this.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the game. While I'm not quite ready to pledge (the only game I've ever pledged has been Dreamfall Chapters), this game is definitely on my radar and I am very much looking forward to seeing how it evolves.
I will say that I'm not as opposed to the payment model system. It sounds as though you can enter the game as a servant to a paying player, which as a roleplayer seems to me like a really nifty idea with a lot of potential.
But, to reiterate...finally, something different!
However, I will admit that I'm somewhat worried, as I can't see most of my male friends even giving this game a second glance. This word needs Ladies AND Lords to properly function, not just one or the other.
and remember to teach those females where their place is in that world :P
lol, sorry but to me this looks abit... outdated. if you think women only wanna play games with little puppies and about dancing and whatnot.... no idea, maybe you should realize women are not the same anymore as they used to be in the last centuries
at least not the ones i know ^^
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The current content of this prototype client can be cleared within 30 minutes.
What made me log into the game was that I expected it to have a nice community and I was not disappointed. There were only a few people on but they were helpful and someone showed me around.
Talkative people, a bit of exploring - overall I had fun during my short visit and that's more than what many AAA titles gave me.
To be honest, this sounds more like an MMO version of Diplomacy......................................which actually sounds kind of awesome......................................If anyone needs me I'll be downloading UDK and then spend the next ten years making Diplomacy the mmo.....
If a male game designer created this game he would be lambasted as sexist and wanting to keep women sewing and at home. Initially I thought this was a spoof even after watching the brief intro vid about the designer.
I really can't see a large number of males playing this game. Just add Jane Austen to any title and most male gamers fall asleep. Women's fantasies? Maybe a bit awkard to phrase it that way, but I expect many women today enjoy games that men traditionally play exclusively. It even seems a bit sexist to say women will enjoy gossiping as a form of PvP. I just laughed when I heard that.
Having my relationships and image ruined because Lady Cellulite and her brood of hens can't stop being a bunch of jealous fatbutts is a fantasy that gets my knickers in a right bunch.
I remember reading a report that talked about Female gamers in mmo's, stating that well over 50% of MMO gamers are female. (this includes the like of 2nd life etc) Too lazy to look it up, but it shouldn't be hard to find via google.
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My initial reaction was what the fuck.
After reading the article, my reaction is still kind of what the fuck.
Its a completely bizarre concept and i could list at least a dozen reasons why it probably wont work. But you know what? It just may work. No harm in trying and I wish it well.
Yeah, this game being P2W seems to have completely been lost upon the majority of people.
Smile
It doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, you can never go wrong with Steve Blum voicing your character.
I just told my wife about this and she got excited ... she's not typically a gamer, so maybe this will get her more interested in mmo's.
Personally, I've never read any of Jane Austen's works. Mainly because I'm more of a Tolkien man myself. However, I could see something like this being as enjoyable for Austen fans as LOTRO has been for Tolkien fans. Could be a new niche market.
doubtful, unless you live in a library. Even then, doubtful. So many great books and franchises... Jane Austen is horrible.
This explains quite a bit about the prototype, and was quite informative to me personally. I can honestly say that I went in expecting a little more than was on the table. As someone who has never read a Jane Austen books (as I said in the other thread.) I see some pretty good potential in this Kickstarter project as its very fresh.
Regardless of the very specific (Smart-Above-Average Intelligence) (Women) targeted audience, which does not include me at all. I find myself slightly intrigued about the whole project. Targeting a certain audience to me does matter, as I would never lay my hands on a "Kids" labeled game. Example such as Fox-Math-Games or games labeled for young "Girls" dress-up/Hello Kitty Adventure. Etc.
Why not include men in your targeted audience? Are you making a fun game, or just a game that only women would enjoy playing? Would reading a Jane Austen Novel really cause my manhood to be "left at the door." (Lol) A trend is going on currently, with males wishing you the best and moving on. Cause you're excluding a large part of gamers, the good fellas. When I logged onto your prototype I saw male characters present, thus id assume we would be apart of your targeted audience. Unless women are going to be filling those roles in our steed, while we go back to call of duty (27) or whatever.
Judy Tyrer: 3 Turn Productions has as its goal bringing women’s fantasies to video games. We are targeting the well-educated woman of above average intelligence. And while the woman’s market is by no means monolithic, Mr. Darcy is a fairly common fantasy across the board, especially when played by Collin Firth in a wet shirt.
What if a man is tired of the same copy and pasted rinse and repeat crap that has come out over the years, and wants something fresh and something new? If you're making a fun game, even if Jane Austen novels are targeted towards young women. That targeted audience was well over 100's of years ago- I want to be apart of that targeted audience as well and play a fun game.
You have potential, but not if you exclude a whole gender audience that being any ADULT in general male or female- I think it's great that you're bringing "womens fantasies" to video games whatever that means, but I also understand why the current trend of this game "isn't for me" and "wish you luck, moving on.", as well as Jane Austen novels aren't for me. But my main question to you is, why won't you promote Jane Austen books to more than just one gender audience in particular, why not open up the books to more than just females? I'm not saying men would like to read jane austen, but if you made a fun game~ It would get the word out about her excelling english-writing skills, and well written books that support positive thinking towards women in general.
I know it sounds like I'm screaming for a male version of hello kitty online (blue instead of pink) ...(I'm really not), I'm just saying its unfair that you're excluding men in your targeted audience in general, not all of us are like Nervipous32 some of us are quite rarely unique. Open up your audience, and show us you can make a fun game. FOR EVERYONE and not just WOMEN. Please don't make Jane Austen and Ever, Jane about just WOMEN! SBFord said it like it is 45% of women make up gamers globally, please don't exclude the other half. We want a fun game just as much as women do, we played a part in the 1800's! ya-know! lol -Open up your targeted audience, and then you will pave a way for more potential when you include everyone.
I'm sure women want a fun game, just like men. Right? So dag-nab-it! Women who play call of duty are women who play call of duty, and women who play male characters are women who play male characters. Anyone who thinks women don't play games is ignorant and just being a plain old troll. We all play games for one reason, which we each share.
WE PLAY GAMES FOR FUN BOTH GENDERS AND I WANT A FUN MMO, AND THIS IS SOMETHING FRESH AND NEW
SO PLEASE INCLUDE MEN IN YOUR TARGETED AUDIENCE, REGARDLESS OF JANE AUSTEN BOOKS NOT TARGETING US, WE ULTIMATELY JUST WANT A FUN GAME. It's not the 1800's anymore-ya know? You could argue that the targeted audience does not matter, and males will play regardless. That's true....but isn't what we all want is a fun game, I mean I see so much more potential in this, if you just open up your audience. We're talking simulation of the 1800's and roleplaying epicness which the world has never seen before in an MMO. It's great to follow the books but always remember you're building a game, and it's meant to be fun.
and don't females like fun too?.. maybe its a mars type of fun that men won't ever understand? IDK
(Goldshire roleplaying anyone?) Just kidding. lol that would be horrible.
what's say you? Too much? .. lol
And here is a link for anyone who likes good poems and poetry and ...whatever just take a look at it cuz its good ;-;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmEbF2uhsZk
TL;DR - Not the targeted audience, thus it makes me sort of sad. Isn't this suppose to be a fun game? Wouldn't it be a good thing to open the world of Jane Austen to more than just women? I mean I wouldn't mind playing in the 1800's and doing some good old Roleplaying. It sounds like fun. I'm not saying re-write Jane Austen's books, I'm just saying include men in your game creation, cause after all we DO EXIST in the world. & Male Characters are present in the prototype! and why only (Smart/Above Average Intelligence?)
Maybe I'm missing the target completely? This game IS for fun......right? women like playing fun games, and so do men...so...include us?
Game looks great, will be supporting it very soon with a $30 donation.
Best of luck for real! I do see the potential....but can only hope you see it as well! (with males included, if (only slightly!!) in your targeted audience.)
Yes stats point out that around 40% of all gamers are female and that this is likely to grow in the coming years. What these stats however don't explain is that an overwhelming part of these women play social games on facebook, zylom and stuff like candy crush and ruzzle.
The traditional "video game" market however, where most games on this site are part of, is still dominated by men. You look at most guilds in most online mmo's and you'll find the large majority being male with a just few women. Only in hardcore roleplaying guilds do you sometimes find a more equal population.
If game companies want to change that they have to look at what does attract women. The Sims for example is a more or less traditional video game that has managed to attract a large female population. In online gaming I remember There (there.com) loosely based on the sims online, having a huge female population, just from hearing the voicechat in that game probably around 60% are female.
So the secret to attracting more women, is to focus on communication and make games more social and focus more on the community and fun aspect of games.
I am actually intrigued by this. I love to role play. I love history and the time period mentioned. This idea feels like a breath of fresh air.
Will it succeed? I'm not sure. But it's a new concept and one that I would be interested in trying. I'd like to see where it goes.
Can you murder people in this game?
Also, since this is a game for women, I must be a manist. This game portrays men in an unrealistic fashion. This is sexist.
The funny thing is that most games have unrealistic portrayals of both men and women (he-man and barbie). I think because they are mostly designed for a male market the portrayal of women is still considered sexist.
Fashion magazines generally made for a female market, however; where everyone is air-brushed to the extreme and turned into some absurd perfectionist image; that is apparently acceptable?
The "perfect" game for a gender?! What could go wrong!
*looks at Scarlet Blade*
Oh....
as a female who likes mmorpgs ever since their humble begining.... i think this will be amongs the most boring mmorpgs ever....
my fantasy for an mmorpg is defnetly not going to diner or gossip as pvp....
sounds more like a game for bored housewifes then "the well-educated woman of above average intelligence"
I think that's what we have ended up playing in every modern easyMMOde game, so we are all in the same doll house regardless of gender.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the game. While I'm not quite ready to pledge (the only game I've ever pledged has been Dreamfall Chapters), this game is definitely on my radar and I am very much looking forward to seeing how it evolves.
I will say that I'm not as opposed to the payment model system. It sounds as though you can enter the game as a servant to a paying player, which as a roleplayer seems to me like a really nifty idea with a lot of potential.
But, to reiterate...finally, something different!
However, I will admit that I'm somewhat worried, as I can't see most of my male friends even giving this game a second glance. This word needs Ladies AND Lords to properly function, not just one or the other.
and remember to teach those females where their place is in that world :P
lol, sorry but to me this looks abit... outdated. if you think women only wanna play games with little puppies and about dancing and whatnot.... no idea, maybe you should realize women are not the same anymore as they used to be in the last centuries
at least not the ones i know ^^
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
The current content of this prototype client can be cleared within 30 minutes.
What made me log into the game was that I expected it to have a nice community and I was not disappointed. There were only a few people on but they were helpful and someone showed me around.
Talkative people, a bit of exploring - overall I had fun during my short visit and that's more than what many AAA titles gave me.
To be honest, this sounds more like an MMO version of Diplomacy......................................which actually sounds kind of awesome......................................If anyone needs me I'll be downloading UDK and then spend the next ten years making Diplomacy the mmo.....
If a male game designer created this game he would be lambasted as sexist and wanting to keep women sewing and at home. Initially I thought this was a spoof even after watching the brief intro vid about the designer.
I really can't see a large number of males playing this game. Just add Jane Austen to any title and most male gamers fall asleep. Women's fantasies? Maybe a bit awkard to phrase it that way, but I expect many women today enjoy games that men traditionally play exclusively. It even seems a bit sexist to say women will enjoy gossiping as a form of PvP. I just laughed when I heard that.
Having my relationships and image ruined because Lady Cellulite and her brood of hens can't stop being a bunch of jealous fatbutts is a fantasy that gets my knickers in a right bunch.
I think it's cool that the MMO scene is opening up to different and new genres, but i feel that this game is shooting for a REALLY small audience.
It's awesome if it releases and actually turns a profit, I wouldn't bet on it though.