Originally posted by Celcius Originally posted by baphametsounds good but i still wish they were adding better pvp content.
You say this like a Diablo game ever had good pvp. I am glad that it is not part of the game and hope they never waste time putting it in.
yes it did, for what it was it was very fun. people like to compare it to mmo's but it wasn't an mmo. pvp is what kept the D2 community alive, pretty much all the best players i knew were all pvpers.
also, whats the point of getting better gear if it was to just grind out the same content over and over that never got harder? just to be a more efficient item farmer?
who the hell played D2 for a substantial amount of time and didn't pvp, that's what i want to know.
Some people are to biased to see any kind of change as an improvement. @guy who was wondering why he needed to purchase an xpac to get the fixes. You don't, lol. You get all the fixes in the 2.1 patch. BOOM. what are you going to moan about now?
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PoE is a solid game, and I'll admit you can't beat it for the price. Don't fool yourself though; the combat is by far clunkier, desync issues still abound (only a real issue in hardcore), the passive skill tree's depth is completely illusory, the active skills are incredibly generic (with a few exceptions), the graphics aren't nearly as good (some areas have a nice ambiance though) & the camera doesn't zoom out enough, and the drops are even worse than D3's can be on a regular basis (went from 10-27 or so without an upgrade).
I guess some people like inferior games though, so have fun I guess. I'll stick with a game worth actually charging money for.
Agree 100%
You get what you pay for with PoE - which is nothing for nothing.
D3 was/is worth the box price, even with it's flaws, and RoS is going to be well worth the price too.
That being said, I didn't hop into Diablo 3 until a few months ago, so I missed all of the crazy/bad stuff around launch and played the game from my day 1 in a very stable, updated state.
To each his own. I found PoE far more fun, interesting, and reminiscent of what I loved about the old Diablo games. D3 felt more like torchlight, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it didn't really feel like Diablo. In D3 the loot system, which is core to the game, felt uninteresting, and unexciting. Compare that to PoE, in PoE loot always felt exciting to me. Also the talent trees of D2 felt far more interesting than the new toggle system, and I think PoE managed to create a new system that was even more interesting than the old talent trees. Story wise, Blizzard manages to tell a good story so I'll give that one to Blizzard. Polish wise also Blizzard, they have the money behind them to really add that extra coat of shine. Loot system, PoE hands down far more interesting than D3 IMHO. Gameplay and leveling also PoE provide a better experience for me.
Also when you talk about the success of D3 it is hard to get a clear picture of things. For one a lot of their Day 1 sales are from WoW 1 year annual pass players. Of the other players many were returning D2 players who bought D3 on the premise that it would be an improved D2, many of those were severely disappointed and there was a lot of anger around the release of D3. If you go and check the metacritic user average is one of the lowest you will see on the site. Now metacritic may not be the most accurate site out their, but you don't get to that low of a score with mild issues. It is hard to declare D3 a king on ground as shakey as that. One thing is for sure though, they made a lot of money, but just because someone bought the game doesn't mean they enjoyed it.(and in this case it appears to be what happened to a lot of people)
My opinion .. Blizzard needs to release RoS as a free to download expansion. There are to many butt hurt gamers that purchased D3 and I am one of them.
I logged into D3 this week and my f - list was like .. Joe blogs (last logged in 346 days ago), fred smith (last logged on 450 days ago).
D3 missed out on everything that D2 / TQ had. Ofcourse we have the newbie gamers who shout and pour praise on D3 buts that all they know, they have never played games where fun is the main ingredient.
There are fantastic mods to play for D2 and TQ, if you have never played then then you want to download them and have some fun.
Suzie, You state you have 2 hardcore level 99 charactors, I know how long it takes to get just one level 99 so a big well done!.
D2 ladder starts tomorrow, shame its full of Botters and Hackers .. well shame on Blizzard really for not giving a fxxk about cheaters on b-net.
To each his own. I found PoE far more fun, interesting, and reminiscent of what I loved about the old Diablo games. D3 felt more like torchlight, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it didn't really feel like Diablo. In D3 the loot system, which is core to the game, felt uninteresting, and unexciting. Compare that to PoE, in PoE loot always felt exciting to me. Also the talent trees of D2 felt far more interesting than the new toggle system, and I think PoE managed to create a new system that was even more interesting than the old talent trees. Story wise, Blizzard manages to tell a good story so I'll give that one to Blizzard. Polish wise also Blizzard, they have the money behind them to really add that extra coat of shine. Loot system, PoE hands down far more interesting than D3 IMHO. Gameplay and leveling also PoE provide a better experience for me.
Also when you talk about the success of D3 it is hard to get a clear picture of things. For one a lot of their Day 1 sales are from WoW 1 year annual pass players. Of the other players many were returning D2 players who bought D3 on the premise that it would be an improved D2, many of those were severely disappointed and there was a lot of anger around the release of D3. If you go and check the metacritic user average is one of the lowest you will see on the site. Now metacritic may not be the most accurate site out their, but you don't get to that low of a score with mild issues. It is hard to declare D3 a king on ground as shakey as that. One thing is for sure though, they made a lot of money, but just because someone bought the game doesn't mean they enjoyed it.(and in this case it appears to be what happened to a lot of people)
PoE was fun to me too until I hit Crafting, I wasted all my currency on a simple upgrade .. that's not fun at all.
Over 20 hardcore toons all mid / high level, not 1 death in any hc league but crafting killed PoE for me, I don't play now.
My opinion .. Blizzard needs to release RoS as a free to download expansion. There are to many butt hurt gamers that purchased D3 and I am one of them.
I logged into D3 this week and my f - list was like .. Joe blogs (last logged in 346 days ago), fred smith (last logged on 450 days ago).
D3 missed out on everything that D2 / TQ had. Ofcourse we have the newbie gamers who shout and pour praise on D3 buts that all they know, they have never played games where fun is the main ingredient.
There are fantastic mods to play for D2 and TQ, if you have never played then then you want to download them and have some fun.
Suzie, You state you have 2 hardcore level 99 charactors, I know how long it takes to get just one level 99 so a big well done!.
D2 ladder starts tomorrow, shame its full of Botters and Hackers .. well shame on Blizzard really for not giving a fxxk about cheaters on b-net.
Blizzard cares about botters and hackers. That's one reason why D3 has the always online requirement. It's too late for D2 to be fixed. "Blizzard need to give me the expansion for free because I'm not happy" is just nonsense. You're getting Loot 2.0 and many of the features being introduced with the expansion free. The added content you have to pay for. They're not in the business of losing money.
D3 has had it's fair share of duping problems too you know, I don't mind drm at all.
I certainly know that Blizzard only cares about money, but I can remember when they cared about quality, they cared that much that they purchased a couple of the best gaming company's so that they too would have that quality.
Anyway, I knew you would be replying to posts in this thread you always do when anyone says anything about Blizzard.
Originally posted by Siveria Not really improved till they allow the player some actual choice in what skills they get ala d2. Just my 2 cents
Someone who has clearly not played the game. See this comment soooo many times and it's simply not true, hey ho.
Technically you don't have any choice in what abilities you get. You get everything, you only choose what you use.
This is why the system feels so superficial. In a system where there are no wrong choices you don't get a sense of accomplishment from making good choices. This is a fairly common and valid complaint about game with dumbed down ability systems. The ability to fail is important to the feeling of accomplishment you get from success. This is why so many people love the PoE system, it is all about sacrifice and planning, and because you can make a bad build, making a good one feels good.
Originally posted by xNIAx1 i don't wanna play diablo 3 because I don't like blizzard. the game is decent, I just dont like the company and how they treat us.
You don't like a company which actually listens to the fanbase? RoS is proof of that and the early permanent beta further shows how much they want to do it right this time.
Diablo 3: The leveling was quick, now I dont find any upgrades for my lvl 60. *cry cry, tear , river , slip, fall, break neck*
D3Ros: The leveling was fast now I dont find any ugrades for my lvl 70.
After some time people will restart the forum game because nothing got fixed, just delayed 10 level. Instead of hunting for 0.01% of items at lvl 60, you will now do it as lvl 70. And dont even start with your smart loot. That only means dex for dh, int for caster aso. Havent seen anything that is worth coming back for more than 20 hours ( max level + act 5 played)
Yes, it looks fun and you really really want to play it. But you thought the same when D3 came out. No balance, the Inferno mode done after some days, months they said, no pvp, no mystic, no talisman, no fun drops what so ever. Ros basicly follows their WoW formula:
expansion: oldLevelCap + expansion.Number * 10 , random(1,2) area, increase number of class by 1
Diablo 3: The leveling was quick, now I dont find any upgrades for my lvl 60. *cry cry, tear , river , slip, fall, break neck*
D3Ros: The leveling was fast now I dont find any ugrades for my lvl 70.
After some time people will restart the forum game because nothing got fixed, just delayed 10 level. Instead of hunting for 0.01% of items at lvl 60, you will now do it as lvl 70. And dont even start with your smart loot. That only means dex for dh, int for caster aso. Havent seen anything that is worth coming back for more than 20 hours ( max level + act 5 played)
Why do you say stuff when you clearly are misinformed?
- Drop rates were increased to counter the closure of AH along with smart loot. People in the Beta are complaining and asking for a nerf in the drop rates actually.
- There are randomised Dungeons to do end-game and bounties as well. Another mode (i can't recall the name) was shown where tougher and tougher enemies keep on spawning until you die. Ladders will be coming soon as well.
- A lot of the skills have been revised as well as new skills and runes have been brought in. Most of the new skills are much more useful than their previous counterparts and make more sense.
I suggest you go watch some stream to actually see what the game is like instead of basing your opinions on a 1 hour playthrough of the game.
I hope they up the difficulty level on the basic story levels too. The reason it was a grind was because you yawn your way through the story twice without remotely being at risk of dieing before suddenly getting owned by every mov the third time, by which point you find it utterly frustrating to have to descend back to a level that was flat out boring.
D2 managed to scale the levels in a much better way so that starting over each time wasn't as painful as in D3.
Gee, only managed to get the cleric to max level, could not take the grind for the other classes. Sad state of affairs since i played the heck out of Diablo II. Diablo II was a far better game.
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yes it did, for what it was it was very fun. people like to compare it to mmo's but it wasn't an mmo. pvp is what kept the D2 community alive, pretty much all the best players i knew were all pvpers.
also, whats the point of getting better gear if it was to just grind out the same content over and over that never got harder? just to be a more efficient item farmer?
who the hell played D2 for a substantial amount of time and didn't pvp, that's what i want to know.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Agree 100%
You get what you pay for with PoE - which is nothing for nothing.
D3 was/is worth the box price, even with it's flaws, and RoS is going to be well worth the price too.
That being said, I didn't hop into Diablo 3 until a few months ago, so I missed all of the crazy/bad stuff around launch and played the game from my day 1 in a very stable, updated state.
To each his own. I found PoE far more fun, interesting, and reminiscent of what I loved about the old Diablo games. D3 felt more like torchlight, which isn't necessarily a bad thing but it didn't really feel like Diablo. In D3 the loot system, which is core to the game, felt uninteresting, and unexciting. Compare that to PoE, in PoE loot always felt exciting to me. Also the talent trees of D2 felt far more interesting than the new toggle system, and I think PoE managed to create a new system that was even more interesting than the old talent trees. Story wise, Blizzard manages to tell a good story so I'll give that one to Blizzard. Polish wise also Blizzard, they have the money behind them to really add that extra coat of shine. Loot system, PoE hands down far more interesting than D3 IMHO. Gameplay and leveling also PoE provide a better experience for me.
Also when you talk about the success of D3 it is hard to get a clear picture of things. For one a lot of their Day 1 sales are from WoW 1 year annual pass players. Of the other players many were returning D2 players who bought D3 on the premise that it would be an improved D2, many of those were severely disappointed and there was a lot of anger around the release of D3. If you go and check the metacritic user average is one of the lowest you will see on the site. Now metacritic may not be the most accurate site out their, but you don't get to that low of a score with mild issues. It is hard to declare D3 a king on ground as shakey as that. One thing is for sure though, they made a lot of money, but just because someone bought the game doesn't mean they enjoyed it.(and in this case it appears to be what happened to a lot of people)
My opinion .. Blizzard needs to release RoS as a free to download expansion. There are to many butt hurt gamers that purchased D3 and I am one of them.
I logged into D3 this week and my f - list was like .. Joe blogs (last logged in 346 days ago), fred smith (last logged on 450 days ago).
D3 missed out on everything that D2 / TQ had. Ofcourse we have the newbie gamers who shout and pour praise on D3 buts that all they know, they have never played games where fun is the main ingredient.
There are fantastic mods to play for D2 and TQ, if you have never played then then you want to download them and have some fun.
Suzie, You state you have 2 hardcore level 99 charactors, I know how long it takes to get just one level 99 so a big well done!.
D2 ladder starts tomorrow, shame its full of Botters and Hackers .. well shame on Blizzard really for not giving a fxxk about cheaters on b-net.
PoE was fun to me too until I hit Crafting, I wasted all my currency on a simple upgrade .. that's not fun at all.
Over 20 hardcore toons all mid / high level, not 1 death in any hc league but crafting killed PoE for me, I don't play now.
D3 has had it's fair share of duping problems too you know, I don't mind drm at all.
I certainly know that Blizzard only cares about money, but I can remember when they cared about quality, they cared that much that they purchased a couple of the best gaming company's so that they too would have that quality.
Anyway, I knew you would be replying to posts in this thread you always do when anyone says anything about Blizzard.
Being a pessimist is a win-win pattern of thinking. If you're a pessimist (I'll admit that I am!) you're either:
A. Proven right (if something bad happens)
or
B. Pleasantly surprised (if something good happens)
Either way, you can't lose! Try it out sometime!
Stating that loot 2.0 is some sor t of free gift to gamers is a crock of cr£$
The loot system is broken. Loot 2.0 is the patch to fix it. A patch that to all intents and purposes console gamers already have.
Without loot 2.0 the game is not worth playing.
Titan Quest on the other hand? Been playing that a lot over the past 2 weeks and it blows D3 outta the water BIG TIME
Someone who has clearly not played the game. See this comment soooo many times and it's simply not true, hey ho.
Technically you don't have any choice in what abilities you get. You get everything, you only choose what you use.
This is why the system feels so superficial. In a system where there are no wrong choices you don't get a sense of accomplishment from making good choices. This is a fairly common and valid complaint about game with dumbed down ability systems. The ability to fail is important to the feeling of accomplishment you get from success. This is why so many people love the PoE system, it is all about sacrifice and planning, and because you can make a bad build, making a good one feels good.
You don't like a company which actually listens to the fanbase? RoS is proof of that and the early permanent beta further shows how much they want to do it right this time.
Diablo 3: The leveling was quick, now I dont find any upgrades for my lvl 60. *cry cry, tear , river , slip, fall, break neck*
D3Ros: The leveling was fast now I dont find any ugrades for my lvl 70.
After some time people will restart the forum game because nothing got fixed, just delayed 10 level. Instead of hunting for 0.01% of items at lvl 60, you will now do it as lvl 70. And dont even start with your smart loot. That only means dex for dh, int for caster aso. Havent seen anything that is worth coming back for more than 20 hours ( max level + act 5 played)
Yes, it looks fun and you really really want to play it. But you thought the same when D3 came out. No balance, the Inferno mode done after some days, months they said, no pvp, no mystic, no talisman, no fun drops what so ever. Ros basicly follows their WoW formula:
expansion: oldLevelCap + expansion.Number * 10 , random(1,2) area, increase number of class by 1
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
Why do you say stuff when you clearly are misinformed?
- Drop rates were increased to counter the closure of AH along with smart loot. People in the Beta are complaining and asking for a nerf in the drop rates actually.
- There are randomised Dungeons to do end-game and bounties as well. Another mode (i can't recall the name) was shown where tougher and tougher enemies keep on spawning until you die. Ladders will be coming soon as well.
- A lot of the skills have been revised as well as new skills and runes have been brought in. Most of the new skills are much more useful than their previous counterparts and make more sense.
I suggest you go watch some stream to actually see what the game is like instead of basing your opinions on a 1 hour playthrough of the game.
I hope they up the difficulty level on the basic story levels too. The reason it was a grind was because you yawn your way through the story twice without remotely being at risk of dieing before suddenly getting owned by every mov the third time, by which point you find it utterly frustrating to have to descend back to a level that was flat out boring.
D2 managed to scale the levels in a much better way so that starting over each time wasn't as painful as in D3.