There are a lot of things that EVE does very well but for me the reason I don't play is two things: zoomed out point and click combat isn't very engaging, and space, there is too much of it. Constantly warping between warp gates wears on you.
Eve is amazing. To complicated for most of you guys but there is the reason why you have classic mmorpg's to keep your life simple. Sandbox and hardcore pvp is not for everyone
Originally posted by Fionn Star Citizen will replace me need to play Eve... which I don't have any desire to play EVE because their point and leveling system is idiotic. You also have to have 3 accounts just to play the game correctly. 1 for mining, another for combat, and another doing your daily trading and selling.
LOL ! I am so sorry but Eve is not game for you...hope you ll be happy with SP co-op space sim Star Citizen.
I am make new account to remember & learn again how to play Eve...subed on 3 month than I ll resub with main old account where is main character played active 2005-2010.
people will always complain the funny part is that many of the things one can do in the game dont require months worth of skill training... its the "i must be top skilled" mentality that kills the fun....you can start a new character and you start if the most basic skills, yeah, you have to level them and get aditional skills depending on what you want to do and with which ships (althought you're free to fit it however you want).....
if you think that for enjoying the game you have to be a 100 million SP vet, you're doing it wrong.
just find something you want to do and look what you can do for it with your current skills. if there's more training to be done, do it. but you dont have to skill up everything to V and wait months worth of training. its not like you'll find vets whenever you engage someone. you can do it just fine.
also, if you're loosing money and cannot replace a ship, well, pause and save for the ship, "dont fly what you cannot afford to loose", the golden rule.
So many misconceptions, people seem to think its about skill levels, which it isn't. This is why Eve has such a steep learning curve, and why so many fail utterly to comprehend it, the idea that it might not be about levels, but about personal ability, is just too much for some. As for 'brave newbies' anything the Mittani is involved in, and by default, goonswarm! usually involves blowing something up somewhere, probably a lot of fun.. just.. watch your back!
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi Originally posted by palulalulaEve is amazing. To complicated for most of you guys but there is the reason why you have classic mmorpg's to keep your life simple. Sandbox and hardcore pvp is not for everyone
LOL, Really, So your idea of Hardcore is sitting at computer doing absolutely nothing but clicking a button to level a skill ? After you click the button, you stare into space....LOL
Shadowbane was hardcore, Eve not so much.
You realize that you are supporting his point about the game being "too complex" for some people?
Just because controls and combat system isn't twitch based does not mean it requires less skill, it just require different skill set.
Sadly what makes eve so awesome, is also what makes most peopel think eve is inacessable
THE SP limit is seen as easy way for people to say "eve is pointless for new players" when the decent / forward / out of box thinkers think of ways around it...
Everyone who plays MMO or has played MMO is used to the GM interventions we get, geez in WoW if you short chagne someone in a person to person trade by 1 gold it gets reimbursed.. EvE is not like that...
the reason for the comment above I suggested to mate to try it, he came to same conclusion as do most sheep about too much SP required to doanything i said... Buy a toon.. he was like WTF... you get point
So explained to him the basics of scamming, within 18hours of first logging into EvE EVER! he had scammed in region of 20bill isk,
He now flies a 80mill sp player and only first started playing 18months ago, so you see if you expect it handed on a plate then eve isn't the place, if your prepared to work for it , think about it, eve is the place....
SP isn't a barrier - Your imagination on how to get your goals is.
Just because you don't know how to do things in EvE doesn't mean the game is dull.
9/10 of the people who start the game quit after a few weeks... that's fine.. it's not for everyone.
However saying the game is dull is at least ignorant. There's so many ways of conflict... so many ways to make ISK... so many things and locations to explore... so many ways to compete against other people on so many levels... from dueling with T1 frigs to supercapital escalations... from taking advantage of the market in enemy staging systems to .01isking in jita.... from stalking and ganking jump freighter routines to doing relic/data/combat sites deep behind enemy lines... the game offers so much.
However don't expect the game to carry you through all it's content.
It provides you with an un-parallel gaming ecosystem that once you get into will ruin every other multiplayer game you try to play. It's up to you to go out and find it... find people to fly with, find ways to do things you want to do.... things you didn't even think would be possible in a game.
It took me three tries to actually get into the game... and it's kept me entertained ever since.
If you find combat and skill system "idiotic" and you are illusioning yourself that "3 accounts are required just to play the game", I am very confident to say that you never had a need to play the game.
1st is your personal opinion, a preference, 2nd is utter nonsense.
I don't see any illusion for "3 accounts" as I and many others I have played with also found the only way to get ahead was multiple accounts. I'm know players with as many as 12 accounts....I had four at one time and I was in a corp. [mod edit]
EVE is quite simple tbh; I know a newb that wanted to try the game HIS way without help from me, so fine.
Well, he used his brains playing the market, doing trades and had a few billion before his trial ran out.
He's already paying his account by buying plexes with ingame money and plays the game for free now.
Really, the player's mindset is the real limit. People will say it is boring, it takes too long before reaching "end game", well there is none. They want instant gratification because they don't know how to use that gray mess in their skulls.
It is easier to whine about EVE when a new player sees he can't "level to max level" in a day. Those players don't even have the mental capability to think outside of the themepark box, so it is useless to try to explain it really.
But I said it once, I will say it again:
if playing WOW is a real challenge, then this game is not for you, it requires actual using that thing called your brain.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I used to love playing Eve and mining while reading or doing homework. Then griefers started bumping me away from the roids and telling me I had to pay them to mine. I moved to another system, they followed, I unsubbed.
Oddly, I loved mining in this game and found I could actually get through a few hours of boring textbook while mining. I was sad to give it up and have never found anything to replace it and make studying fun again. It just sucks that so many griefers play this game.
Eve is like Mos Eisley... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. If you can get past that, it can be quite fun.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
But I do feel like giving it a try, since I have quite a few friends playing it currently. It's popping up everywhere for me! The thing that keeps me away is the fact that I may never be able to catch up to play with my friends, like it will take a year of playing just to do what my friends are already doing.
It would be nice to skip 19-expansions full of content, but I guess that's just wishing I could jump right into the game and have fun right out of the box.
Originally posted by Rigitdog I tried it like once 5-years ago LOLBut I do feel like giving it a try, since I have quite a few friends playing it currently. It's popping up everywhere for me! The thing that keeps me away is the fact that I may never be able to catch up to play with my friends, like it will take a year of playing just to do what my friends are already doing.It would be nice to skip 19-expansions full of content, but I guess that's just wishing I could jump right into the game and have fun right out of the box.I just don't know!
EVE isn't vertical.
It is very likely that players do not experience all content of EVE because they simply do not have to. There is no progression, walkthrough.
Same goes for your friends. Think of it as "jobs". Some jobs indeed require lots of investment in terms of assets, skill points and knowledge but most don't and are easily accessible. All jobs are required to make the clockwork going and that is why even a newcomer can meaningfully contribute.
Download the game and just enjoy the exploration of rich game mechanics and complexity...or simply do what you find the most fun.
I used to love playing Eve and mining while reading or doing homework. Then griefers started bumping me away from the roids and telling me I had to pay them to mine. I moved to another system, they followed, I unsubbed.
Oddly, I loved mining in this game and found I could actually get through a few hours of boring textbook while mining. I was sad to give it up and have never found anything to replace it and make studying fun again. It just sucks that so many griefers play this game.
Eve is like Mos Eisley... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. If you can get past that, it can be quite fun.
This is why I have never tried it. I have not heard good things about the community and players. I am not interested in that kind of BS in a video game.
IF you are not into EVE for the long term then move along. IF you wish to invest some time and effort...it will be a lot of fun along the way. You don't have to invest a lot of time to have fun in the game. You don't have to be a member of a "Corp" (guild) although it helps. As I said, invest some time and join a Corp and you will find you CAN enjoy this game.
All that I am waiting for is the option to get out of your ship and walk on planets, not just the space station. IF, that ever happened with Eve, I would lose my life as I know it, and just play Eve.....24/7. *Sigh*, too bad it will never be that type of game.
i friken love reading about EvE. every time one of these expansions comes out have the crazy urge to re-sub. when i do, i usually play for a few hours and remember that i can't do 2/3 of the stuff because i don't have the skills (which will take only the next 6 months to train)..
..Also i don't have a guild, so pretty much all the good content is out of the question....
...Also i don't have ISK, so i can't pvp because i can't replace my ships.
.....so i end up doing some mining(which is boring as hell)...
......and then i get bored waiting for my skills to finish....
.........and then i log in less and less, just when i need to queue more skills....
............and finally i unsub because i'm paying to queue skills.....
........................every damn time.
EVE is a game where you need to take breaks while keeping your sub. I can go months only logging in for a sec to update training if i'm sufficiently distracted by something else.
You have to have a plan and and a bit of willpower in this game, I started off years ago with the aim to pay my subs by in game currency, self supporting if you will.
I now have 3 accounts all self funding, all 3 fill different roles with some overlaps such as mining, but all 3 of them interlink in ways to max the earnings of each other.
Then on those principles I formed a corp, taught some new eve players some stuck around some left, but even in leaving some helped form networks to other corps, which in turn generated even more demand and industry grew........
I applied what I had learnt in my personnel life (working Life mainly) set out a goal, and stuck to the plan
Someone was complaining they could not make isk as a newbie, I made a new char and ran him through some things, even on trail accounts you can make decent isk to support your activities.
As in real world business find a niche and exploit it, the trick is spotting the niches, be it pirate, be it mining or even industry.
Here is one tip as a low level, SHUTTLES easy to make, find a hub that's a very good distance away from another, go out say 9 jumps and exploit the lazy by seeding the places with 10 shuttles per at in some case 10x times the cost, sounds chump change but when you sell in mass numbers it adds up fast.
Its how Walmart and there ilk survie.
Next join a corp and make sure the corp is networking, ie in an alliance it doesn't stop the stupid war dec griefing, but it helps lower it, once in a good corp help and opportunities will come.
I used to love playing Eve and mining while reading or doing homework. Then griefers started bumping me away from the roids and telling me I had to pay them to mine. I moved to another system, they followed, I unsubbed.
Oddly, I loved mining in this game and found I could actually get through a few hours of boring textbook while mining. I was sad to give it up and have never found anything to replace it and make studying fun again. It just sucks that so many griefers play this game.
Eve is like Mos Eisley... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. If you can get past that, it can be quite fun.
This is why I have never tried it. I have not heard good things about the community and players. I am not interested in that kind of BS in a video game.
Last straw for me was when they allowed PLEX to be scammed / stolen / destroyed. Scamming people out of game currency or destroying in-game assets with no actual dollar value (outside of the 'black market') is one thing; someone stealing and / or blowing up $1000 worth of PLEX is no different (save the physical endangerment, of course) than following someone into an alley, knocking them out, and taking $1000 from their wallet (and perhaps then lighting the bills on fire). It's condoning thuggery, and I cannot in good conscience support such a company.
I will say that the community is both the best, and worst, I've ever experienced. When I left it was definitely on a downward slide though.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
I could never get into this game. After flying through numerous sectors and noticing that half of them had the exact same space/nebula backdrop, it just felt like a bunch of copypasting.
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All these expansions on old mmo's just feel like lipstick on the rotting carcas of a pig.
Eve needs a wipe and a reboot.
LOL ! I am so sorry but Eve is not game for you...hope you ll be happy with SP co-op space sim Star Citizen.
I am make new account to remember & learn again how to play Eve...subed on 3 month than I ll resub with main old account where is main character played active 2005-2010.
No fate but what we make, so make me a ham sandwich please.
people will always complain the funny part is that many of the things one can do in the game dont require months worth of skill training... its the "i must be top skilled" mentality that kills the fun....you can start a new character and you start if the most basic skills, yeah, you have to level them and get aditional skills depending on what you want to do and with which ships (althought you're free to fit it however you want).....
if you think that for enjoying the game you have to be a 100 million SP vet, you're doing it wrong.
just find something you want to do and look what you can do for it with your current skills. if there's more training to be done, do it. but you dont have to skill up everything to V and wait months worth of training. its not like you'll find vets whenever you engage someone. you can do it just fine.
also, if you're loosing money and cannot replace a ship, well, pause and save for the ship, "dont fly what you cannot afford to loose", the golden rule.
Shadowbane was hardcore, Eve not so much.
You realize that you are supporting his point about the game being "too complex" for some people?
Just because controls and combat system isn't twitch based does not mean it requires less skill, it just require different skill set.
Sadly what makes eve so awesome, is also what makes most peopel think eve is inacessable
THE SP limit is seen as easy way for people to say "eve is pointless for new players" when the decent / forward / out of box thinkers think of ways around it...
Everyone who plays MMO or has played MMO is used to the GM interventions we get, geez in WoW if you short chagne someone in a person to person trade by 1 gold it gets reimbursed.. EvE is not like that...
the reason for the comment above I suggested to mate to try it, he came to same conclusion as do most sheep about too much SP required to doanything i said... Buy a toon.. he was like WTF... you get point
So explained to him the basics of scamming, within 18hours of first logging into EvE EVER! he had scammed in region of 20bill isk,
He now flies a 80mill sp player and only first started playing 18months ago, so you see if you expect it handed on a plate then eve isn't the place, if your prepared to work for it , think about it, eve is the place....
SP isn't a barrier - Your imagination on how to get your goals is.
This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game
where of course you're welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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Just because you don't know how to do things in EvE doesn't mean the game is dull.
9/10 of the people who start the game quit after a few weeks... that's fine.. it's not for everyone.
However saying the game is dull is at least ignorant. There's so many ways of conflict... so many ways to make ISK... so many things and locations to explore... so many ways to compete against other people on so many levels... from dueling with T1 frigs to supercapital escalations... from taking advantage of the market in enemy staging systems to .01isking in jita.... from stalking and ganking jump freighter routines to doing relic/data/combat sites deep behind enemy lines... the game offers so much.
However don't expect the game to carry you through all it's content.
It provides you with an un-parallel gaming ecosystem that once you get into will ruin every other multiplayer game you try to play. It's up to you to go out and find it... find people to fly with, find ways to do things you want to do.... things you didn't even think would be possible in a game.
It took me three tries to actually get into the game... and it's kept me entertained ever since.
..Cake..
I don't see any illusion for "3 accounts" as I and many others I have played with also found the only way to get ahead was multiple accounts. I'm know players with as many as 12 accounts....I had four at one time and I was in a corp. [mod edit]
EVE is quite simple tbh; I know a newb that wanted to try the game HIS way without help from me, so fine.
Well, he used his brains playing the market, doing trades and had a few billion before his trial ran out.
He's already paying his account by buying plexes with ingame money and plays the game for free now.
Really, the player's mindset is the real limit. People will say it is boring, it takes too long before reaching "end game", well there is none. They want instant gratification because they don't know how to use that gray mess in their skulls.
It is easier to whine about EVE when a new player sees he can't "level to max level" in a day. Those players don't even have the mental capability to think outside of the themepark box, so it is useless to try to explain it really.
But I said it once, I will say it again:
if playing WOW is a real challenge, then this game is not for you, it requires actual using that thing called your brain.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
I used to love playing Eve and mining while reading or doing homework. Then griefers started bumping me away from the roids and telling me I had to pay them to mine. I moved to another system, they followed, I unsubbed.
Oddly, I loved mining in this game and found I could actually get through a few hours of boring textbook while mining. I was sad to give it up and have never found anything to replace it and make studying fun again. It just sucks that so many griefers play this game.
Eve is like Mos Eisley... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. If you can get past that, it can be quite fun.
But I do feel like giving it a try, since I have quite a few friends playing it currently. It's popping up everywhere for me! The thing that keeps me away is the fact that I may never be able to catch up to play with my friends, like it will take a year of playing just to do what my friends are already doing.
It would be nice to skip 19-expansions full of content, but I guess that's just wishing I could jump right into the game and have fun right out of the box.
I just don't know!
EVE isn't vertical.
It is very likely that players do not experience all content of EVE because they simply do not have to. There is no progression, walkthrough.
Same goes for your friends. Think of it as "jobs". Some jobs indeed require lots of investment in terms of assets, skill points and knowledge but most don't and are easily accessible. All jobs are required to make the clockwork going and that is why even a newcomer can meaningfully contribute.
Download the game and just enjoy the exploration of rich game mechanics and complexity...or simply do what you find the most fun.
This is why I have never tried it. I have not heard good things about the community and players. I am not interested in that kind of BS in a video game.
Let's party like it is 1863!
EVE is a game where you need to take breaks while keeping your sub. I can go months only logging in for a sec to update training if i'm sufficiently distracted by something else.
You have to have a plan and and a bit of willpower in this game, I started off years ago with the aim to pay my subs by in game currency, self supporting if you will.
I now have 3 accounts all self funding, all 3 fill different roles with some overlaps such as mining, but all 3 of them interlink in ways to max the earnings of each other.
Then on those principles I formed a corp, taught some new eve players some stuck around some left, but even in leaving some helped form networks to other corps, which in turn generated even more demand and industry grew........
I applied what I had learnt in my personnel life (working Life mainly) set out a goal, and stuck to the plan
Someone was complaining they could not make isk as a newbie, I made a new char and ran him through some things, even on trail accounts you can make decent isk to support your activities.
As in real world business find a niche and exploit it, the trick is spotting the niches, be it pirate, be it mining or even industry.
Here is one tip as a low level, SHUTTLES easy to make, find a hub that's a very good distance away from another, go out say 9 jumps and exploit the lazy by seeding the places with 10 shuttles per at in some case 10x times the cost, sounds chump change but when you sell in mass numbers it adds up fast.
Its how Walmart and there ilk survie.
Next join a corp and make sure the corp is networking, ie in an alliance it doesn't stop the stupid war dec griefing, but it helps lower it, once in a good corp help and opportunities will come.
Last straw for me was when they allowed PLEX to be scammed / stolen / destroyed. Scamming people out of game currency or destroying in-game assets with no actual dollar value (outside of the 'black market') is one thing; someone stealing and / or blowing up $1000 worth of PLEX is no different (save the physical endangerment, of course) than following someone into an alley, knocking them out, and taking $1000 from their wallet (and perhaps then lighting the bills on fire). It's condoning thuggery, and I cannot in good conscience support such a company.
I will say that the community is both the best, and worst, I've ever experienced. When I left it was definitely on a downward slide though.
AN' DERE AIN'T NO SUCH FING AS ENUFF DAKKA, YA GROT! Enuff'z more than ya got an' less than too much an' there ain't no such fing as too much dakka. Say dere is, and me Squiggoff'z eatin' tonight!
We are born of the blood. Made men by the blood. Undone by the blood. Our eyes are yet to open. FEAR THE OLD BLOOD.
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