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Wouldn't it highly ironic that the 'bittervets' high horse 'back in my day / virtual world' rhetoric is only possible because of WoW players? If MMO stayed relegated to the basement dwelling perception, would there be a platform for these bittervets?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
So tell me, what did the bittervets do to make 'John Q public' an MMO player.
Something happened for that John Q to become a WoW player.
Like I said, this is just taking a historical fact and commenting on it.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Many would argue there may be a better platform for these "bittervets" if something else had taken off other than WOW.
This just looks as a convoluted attempt at striking back at those Bittervets...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I didn't realise saying 'This group of players failed at X' was to 'incite hate'.
Unless that group of players didn't fail at X which would be wrong since the failure is a historical fact.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
Blizzard entered the MMO space and created something John Q could understand...that's what happened.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I know they weren't but you're arguing on behalf of general human ignorance.
I'm not arguing for or on behalf of anything. And whether it is ignorance or not is irrelevant to that MMO player who found that perception to be bad thing.
I am just stating that 'I am an MMO player' sentence is now accepted by society which is a good thing and that is because of 'WoW players'.
You indeed were arguing on behalf of something, but now you are changing your approach because the fundamentally ridiculous nature of your initial post has been pointed out in sound fashion and you are trying to revise your position to be one based on harmless observation rather than a judgmental indictment of the communities established by fans of a genre who have been fans since the time you scoffed at them.http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt
Yes 'sound fashion'. I'm told this is a 'incite hate' thread and that's 'sound fashion' apparently.
C'mon, seriously? /Facepalm
I'm not sure why 'This group of players failed at X' causes so much defensive statements though. I am judging a historical fact.
Maybe some think the 'basement dwelling' perception was a good thing?
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
The pioneers had to pave the way for those that came later to exist. It's the same with everything. Don't disrespect those that came before when you wouldn't have it as nice if not for them.
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I think us "bittervets" would be ok with that because we don't want a platform, we want a good game.
Yes, don't disrepect the pioneers. Except the pioneers was 'WoW players' because they made MMOs something that soccer moms wouldn't actively avoid.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
So essentially you're trying to say, that oldschool mmo players were awful, horrible people, because of the stigma/prejudice that was generated by people who were ignorant about the genre at the time...
So mmo gamers can only be decent people if their numbers are high enough to knock down a few social barriers? That's completely absurd OP. You're advocating the judgement of others based simply on the opinions of people with limited knowledge. It's like caring too much about what other people think of you, and then letting it define you.
No, most just never cared about it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Jeez... that is what everyone wants.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Yes, the 'basement dwelling virgin' perception was not cared about by MMO players at all.
That's why when asked most didn't have a problem with 'I'm an MMO player!'
Hang on.. That's not true at all. /facepalm
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
No, I'm telling 'bittervets' failed at breaking down the social barriers and it took the 'WoW players' to do so.
If you think that's absurd, go ahead.
Gdemami -
Informing people about your thoughts and impressions is not a review, it's a blog.
errr what......? Clearly a troll nothing to see here moving along.
D&D players have had the worst reputation of any gamers ever. If you played D&D back in the '80s, you were considered a baby-killing satanist (this came from the christian right; people who didn't know the first thing about the game, only what the pulpit wanted them to believe). To be called a basement dweller would have been a compliment by comparison.
Why do you think they should've tried to break that barrier in the first place? What sort of achievement is it?
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
All of my friends know I was deeply into DAOC and then SWG back in 02-04, didn't bother me what people thought of it. It was more fun than Madden or Mortal Kombat IMO. Actually I had a funny argument with a friend once when he asked me why I played the same game all the time, I simply asked in return why do you keep buying the same game over and over every year?
Anyway, the point I'm making is that people are generally ignorant of something until they try it and enjoy it themselves, until that time comes the general thinking will usually be, "meh, that's for the birds", or the bird in his moms basement in this case.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is probably the most ignorant post i've read on this forum. That says a lot. So let's summarize. YOU were a gamer who actively criticized and looked down upon other gamers because of the genre of games they played. YOU then proceed to assume that everyone else feels the same way you do. YOU create a forum thread to let other gamers know this about yourself, and then continue to tell them how much they screwed up marketing games to people to make them more accepted by society? WTF?
I think it's time to flip the argument back on to you. Because you see.. to me.. people like YOU are the problem. I've been a gamer past & present. Had good & bad times in both. It's true that today's MMO is different from one that someone would call oldschool. Today's game doesn't seem to teach you anything. It doesn't build.. character. (hehe). Instead you are rewarded for doing just about anything. With very little to no penalty in most cases. They teach you to be self serving and greedy.
Which is exactly why you should respect older MMOs. There were penalties. There were lessons to be learned. Communities were also smaller. This was a big reasoning for not wanting to backstab someone for example. In UO someone could make you a 'friend' to their house. This opens up the choice to make a conscious decision. You can either respect your friends belongings and the house, or you could steal everything when they aren't looking. You could choose the 2nd option - but you would be hunted, and people would know your name, and it would not be a good thing.
YOU wouldn't know about that, because YOU weren't there. Instead YOU were too busy saying to your friends 'omgawd look at that mmo gamer.. so gross!'. Now YOU are an MMO gamer because society made it more palatable for YOU. Which makes ME upset, because I see what YOU are becoming.
Yes 'sound fashion'. I'm told this is a 'incite hate' thread and that's 'sound fashion' apparently.
C'mon, seriously? /Facepalm
I'm not sure why 'This group of players failed at X' causes so much defensive statements though. I am judging a historical fact.
Maybe some think the 'basement dwelling' perception was a good thing?
I never mentioned inciting hate. Get your facts right and don't put others' words in my posts, please. You use the example another gave because constructing arguments based on strawmen is your whole approach. I get it. "Sound fashion" was referring to my own posts, which have already outlined the flawed nature of your reasoning.As to merely pointing out that "this group of players failed at x," you did so in a derogatory tone and while using unqualified reasoning, even trying to pass said reasoning off as history. In addition, you created the entire criteria for failing at a task that you invented the relevance for in the first place.
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/PerfArt
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Oh man... so satisfying to read this.