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hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
in Final Fantasy XIV

With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

with that being said and after some months past release. Do you guys think the game is worth its subscription ?! why ?

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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    with that being said and after some months past release. Do you guys think the game is worth its subscription ?! why ?

    If you were really enjoying it then yes... unless you're really hurting for cash and the $15 or so is a big deal, then no.  It's a fairly good game if you can deal with the combat and the limited content.  I couldn't, but I could easily see someone else enjoying it.

  • KrematoryKrematory Member UncommonPosts: 608
    I didn't sub when my first 30 days expired (bought the game at launch) but I subed a couple days ago. I felt the urge to play again, and with the new patch incoming I can see myself subing for, at least, one month more. I just enjoy leveling jobs and running instance, and I like the enviroment this game provides.

    "EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Originally posted by Krematory
    I didn't sub when my first 30 days expired (bought the game at launch) but I subed a couple days ago. I felt the urge to play again, and with the new patch incoming I can see myself subing for, at least, one month more. I just enjoy leveling jobs and running instance, and I like the enviroment this game provides.

    The enviroment is just good, i also like the western looks, the flashy skills and the heavy fantasy stuff. 

    But i'm concern about the sub value... if they are adding enough content and listenning to their player base. Thats key to ANY mmo, specially the ones with a monthly subscription.

  • Sajman01Sajman01 Member Posts: 204
    I also purchased the game at launch but did not sub.

    I grew discouraged as I neared max level. The game has become stall with the same old, same old. Plus the community turned sour as it always does after the novelty wore off.

    its different wow, if your looking for wow with final fantasy its good but not for me.
  • HyanmenHyanmen Member UncommonPosts: 5,357

    The game provides constant and meaty content updates.

    In all honesty if you don't want to commit to the game on a monthly basis you can still enjoy the game by paying the sub fee on the month of the patch. There will always be content that doesn't take more than a month to finish.

    If you see yourself gaining value for more than a month then you can sub for two months. If the single patch isn't worth the price of a movie ticket then you can wait until there's two patches' worth of content to be consumed. It all adds up the longer you wait (something that can't be said for GW2).

    At some point the amount of added content should be substantial enough that if you enjoyed the game before but ran out of content, there's no reason not to sub then. The game practically allows you to be picky about the volume of content you want to pay for.

     

    Different strokes for different folks, is all I'm saying.

    Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
  • jazz.bejazz.be Member UncommonPosts: 962

    To me it wasn't worth. But it's all about personal taste.

    Combat was to slow to me

    I don't like the bubble type of gameplay with portals in between

    I didn't even like the music and sounds

     

    If I had no problem with above, then I would probably still be in game.

  • SimplyPsykeSimplyPsyke Member UncommonPosts: 32

    I just bought the game and will be subbing for a month at least. I feel that the habit I am developing is content locust. I will get to end game, max(ish) out my gear and unsub and play a different game. I can easily see FFXIV being in my "rotation". It may sound blasphemous for some but one thing I really am enjoying is playing with my X360 controller from my couch it is a nice change of pace to be able to sit back a bit and play. 

     

    Grant it once I get to end game content I may have a need to switch up to KB/Mouse.

    The game is freaking beautiful and the job system is a nice depature to having alts. I played FFXI off and on for a year or so and found it mind numbing in comparison, I also played the beta FFXIV 1.0 and it was one of the worst betas I've played (the  worst was Wish if you don't know it lookup Wish UMMOPRG_. So I'm impressed/hopeful that we will see good content (come on new jobs I need my Blue/Red Mage and Ninja) in the future. 

    For now FFXIV is my home until I  get bored and move on to something else for awhile (Wildstar beta plz!) and back to old games I'm waiting for the next xpac for and such. It used to bother me that I couldn't stay engaged in an MMO more than a couple months at a time compared to ten years ago when I was playing SWG for the first time and it consumed all of my free time (and ate some of my not so free time). I've come to accept that now I have a good job and wife I can't spend every waking moment in a game so it doesn't need to engage me on that level. 

  • FoomerangFoomerang Member UncommonPosts: 5,628

    For me, it is worth the sub. I play around 8-12 hours a week. The game's features are pretty spot on to what I want out of an mmo. Their first patch is expansion worthy and is adding tons of horizontal content, which for me is a really good sign that they know their target audience and are in it for the long haul.

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    No it isn't. It's quite simple. They require a monthly fee to subscribe to and play the game. You either decide you want to pay the fee and play it, or you don't.

    And really... to say a MMO that still has more subscribers than most other MMOs combined playing it - even with a subscription, on top of box fees - is beyond absurd. WoW is having no problem, whatsoever, justifying its sub fee.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    And that's your choice. Many others chose to sub and continue playing.  And that's pretty much the way it works with everything. I don't understand why people try to make some big issue of it when they don't find a game worth their sub money, like it has some kind of bigger implications.

     

  • RenoakuRenoaku Member EpicPosts: 3,157

    Really don't know the game feels rather boring to me I did put in a sub fee just to check out the up-coming patch but will likely go to Elder Scrolls when it comes out because it is more of my game I think than Final Fantasy.

    The game has improved since launch the customization is getting better but still not the way I hope to see it, and not sure I will keep playing the game or not myself I like actual action games like Cabal, or DarkFall, or Skyrim based RPG types not so much target click spells and such it is okay for awhile when you are bored but after playing for awhile you get bored and drop the subscription.

    Now what might bring players back is if FFXIV would get some PVP/Battle Grounds, add Actual Combat to where Clans/Guilds can go and hold castles and such.

  • vmopedvmoped Member Posts: 1,708

    Just got back from dinner with the wife.  $40 for meh hibachi grill.  I would have rather gotten nearly 3 months of access to this game for the same price.  I don't understand what you mean by 'commitment' (other than time) since you can pay month to month as others have stated.  If you like it, then it seems like an obvious choice if you can afford it.

    Cheers!

    MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

  • jigo86jigo86 Member UncommonPosts: 97
    my sub runned out a month ago and realy i just dont find a reason to pay for it again atm :(
  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    No it isn't. It's quite simple. They require a monthly fee to subscribe to and play the game. You either decide you want to pay the fee and play it, or you don't.

    And really... to say a MMO that still has more subscribers than most other MMOs combined playing it - even with a subscription, on top of box fees - is beyond absurd. WoW is having no problem, whatsoever, justifying its sub fee.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    And that's your choice. Many others chose to sub and continue playing.  And that's pretty much the way it works with everything. I don't understand why people try to make some big issue of it when they don't find a game worth their sub money, like it has some kind of bigger implications.

     

    Are you hurt ?

    I don't give a fuck about the numbers or anything else. Im not here to discuss if a game should or shouldn't have a subscription. I ain't talking about WoW either. 

    Im at the FFXIV forums and my question was very clear. Your point is useless in this discussion. 

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by H.Coelho
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    No it isn't. It's quite simple. They require a monthly fee to subscribe to and play the game. You either decide you want to pay the fee and play it, or you don't.

    And really... to say a MMO that still has more subscribers than most other MMOs combined playing it - even with a subscription, on top of box fees - is beyond absurd. WoW is having no problem, whatsoever, justifying its sub fee.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    And that's your choice. Many others chose to sub and continue playing.  And that's pretty much the way it works with everything. I don't understand why people try to make some big issue of it when they don't find a game worth their sub money, like it has some kind of bigger implications.

     

    Are you hurt ?

    Not at all. Are you?

     I was just offering a response to your post (kinda the point of message forums, after all).

    I don't give a fuck about the numbers or anything else. Im not here to discuss if a game should or shouldn't have a subscription. I ain't talking about WoW either. 

    Wow. You're all over the place here.

    You absolutely are asking if a game should have a sub. Right in the title of this thread, you're asking people if it's worth it. If it's worth it, then "yes it should". If not, then "no it shouldn't". 

    You "aint' talking about WoW"? Read your post again. You specifically cite WoW as an example of a MMO that's having "a hard time justifying a sub fee". If you "ain't talking about WoW", then why did you mention it specifically as an example of your statement?

    As for the numbers, they absolutely matter. A game that maintains several million people paying a monthly sub fee to play is quite clearly not having a "hard time justifying" anything.

    You don't get to dismiss data just because it's inconvenient to your position.

    Im at the FFXIV forums and my question was very clear. Your point is useless in this discussion.  

    You're in the FFXIV forums and you specifically cited WoW in your opening statement.  Stop trying to backpedal and weasel out of it. You're only making yourself look worse and digging the hole even deeper.

     

  • StanlyStankoStanlyStanko Member UncommonPosts: 270
    Originally posted by H.Coelho
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    No it isn't. It's quite simple. They require a monthly fee to subscribe to and play the game. You either decide you want to pay the fee and play it, or you don't.

    And really... to say a MMO that still has more subscribers than most other MMOs combined playing it - even with a subscription, on top of box fees - is beyond absurd. WoW is having no problem, whatsoever, justifying its sub fee.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    And that's your choice. Many others chose to sub and continue playing.  And that's pretty much the way it works with everything. I don't understand why people try to make some big issue of it when they don't find a game worth their sub money, like it has some kind of bigger implications.

     

    Are you hurt ?

    I don't give a fuck about the numbers or anything else. Im not here to discuss if a game should or shouldn't have a subscription. I ain't talking about WoW either. 

    Im at the FFXIV forums and my question was very clear. Your point is useless in this discussion. 

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  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Please originally,d by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by H.Coelho
    Originally posted by TangentPoint
    Originally posted by H.Coelho

    With quality games like GW2 and LOTRO without a subscription plan, its hard for games like WoW and FFXIV to justify their monthly cost.

    No it isn't. It's quite simple. They require a monthly fee to subscribe to and play the game. You either decide you want to pay the fee and play it, or you don't.

    And really... to say a MMO that still has more subscribers than most other MMOs combined playing it - even with a subscription, on top of box fees - is beyond absurd. WoW is having no problem, whatsoever, justifying its sub fee.

    I've played my 30 days from the box sale but i haven't subbed.  I was enjoying the game, very much. But at the time  the sub was an expense i didn't want to commit to. 

    And that's your choice. Many others chose to sub and continue playing.  And that's pretty much the way it works with everything. I don't understand why people try to make some big issue of it when they don't find a game worth their sub money, like it has some kind of bigger implications.

     

    Are you hurt ?

    Not at all. Are you?

     I was just offering a response to your post (kinda the point of message forums, after all).

    I don't give a fuck about the numbers or anything else. Im not here to discuss if a game should or shouldn't have a subscription. I ain't talking about WoW either. 

    Wow. You're all over the place here.

    You absolutely are asking if a game should have a sub. Right in the title of this thread, you're asking people if it's worth it. If it's worth it, then "yes it should". If not, then "no it shouldn't". 

    You "aint' talking about WoW"? Read your post again. You specifically cite WoW as an example of a MMO that's having "a hard time justifying a sub fee". If you "ain't talking about WoW", then why did you mention it specifically as an example of your statement?

    As for the numbers, they absolutely matter. A game that maintains several million people paying a monthly sub fee to play is quite clearly not having a "hard time justifying" anything.

    You don't get to dismiss data just because it's inconvenient to your position.

    Im at the FFXIV forums and my question was very clear. Your point is useless in this discussion.  

    You're in the FFXIV forums and you specifically cited WoW in your opening statement.  Stop trying to backpedal and weasel out of it. You're only making yourself look worse and digging the hole even deeper.

     

    What's your goal?  I'm trying to get feedback from ffxiv players.  I'm not here to discuss nothing else. You haven't answered my question yet.  If you want to talk about ffxiv and the worth of its subscription I'll talk, your other points are useless to me. I don't care to discuss about them. 

    Please, don't change the subject of this thread, go make your drama somewhere else. 

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270

    I don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer.  Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. 

     

    If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.

  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer.  Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. 

     

    If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.

    I'm not looking for universal answer, mate. I want the subjective opinion from the players. I'm not interested in the general consensus or if the game will die or thrive. I just wanted to read about individuals opinions and feels about the game they are playing or the game they stoped playing.

     

     

  • BatCakezBatCakez Member Posts: 127

    Questionable.

     

    While I played the original FFXIV very briefly, I also partook in the beta for ARR. I've two ideas that I'll share.

     

    (1) My personal view point. I found that the best feature the game had going for it, was its crafting system. It was on par with EQ2, and you really felt involved. The combat was boring, but the varying outfit designs were sometimes interesting albeit static in appearence. Other functions implemented were nice touches to an otherwise (what I felt) unpolished game. I hadn't been in the world more than a few minutes, and I realized I missed the artistic graphics of its original form, and fluid animation to boot. The Hunters Log added some flair to the typical grind, and I was at least happy to say that if you had to get a lizard heart, you need only kill one of them. So, long story short, for me?... nah.

     

    (2) A friend of mine has been MMO hopping, and one recent venture took him to FFXIV ARR. For the first few weeks he was head over heels in love. Suffice to say, much of the grind and static flow became troubling to him, too. He joined a Company that was fairly active with a handful of folk he knew from previous titles, but he claimed it felt too repetitive and a tad linear.

     

    Now, it depends on what you are looking for. A stable game to call home, something to appease your FF craving? This game is amazing in regards to the crafting system, I still love it and couldn't recommend it more highly, but I'm afraid the remainder is not so brightly lit.

  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Originally posted by BatCakez

    Questionable.

     

    While I played the original FFXIV very briefly, I also partook in the beta for ARR. I've two ideas that I'll share.

     

    (1) My personal view point. I found that the best feature the game had going for it, was its crafting system. It was on par with EQ2, and you really felt involved. The combat was boring, but the varying outfit designs were sometimes interesting albeit static in appearence. Other functions implemented were nice touches to an otherwise (what I felt) unpolished game. I hadn't been in the world more than a few minutes, and I realized I missed the artistic graphics of its original form, and fluid animation to boot. The Hunters Log added some flair to the typical grind, and I was at least happy to say that if you had to get a lizard heart, you need only kill one of them. So, long story short, for me?... nah.

     

    (2) A friend of mine has been MMO hopping, and one recent venture took him to FFXIV ARR. For the first few weeks he was head over heels in love. Suffice to say, much of the grind and static flow became troubling to him, too. He joined a Company that was fairly active with a handful of folk he knew from previous titles, but he claimed it felt too repetitive and a tad linear.

     

    Now, it depends on what you are looking for. A stable game to call home, something to appease your FF craving? This game is amazing in regards to the crafting system, I still love it and couldn't recommend it more highly, but I'm afraid the remainder is not so brightly lit.

    What about Square Enix, Yoshi P, choices about the future of the game ? Are they planning and executing changes/updates properly ?

    That is something worth of a subscription. I remember playing Darkfall and Mortal Online. Games with interesting ideas, very passionate developers but still they couldn't execute things properly. 

    The subscription worth its a mix of my personal opinion about the game and the company commitment to the game.

  • evilastroevilastro Member Posts: 4,270
    Originally posted by H.Coelho
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer.  Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. 

     

    If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.

    I'm not looking for universal answer, mate. I want the subjective opinion from the players. I'm not interested in the general consensus or if the game will die or thrive. I just wanted to read about individuals opinions and feels about the game they are playing or the game they stoped playing.

     

     

     

    Then you worded your original post very poorly. 

  • hcoelhohcoelho Member UncommonPosts: 529
    Originally posted by evilastro
    Originally posted by H.Coelho
    Originally posted by evilastro

    I don't understand why people ask subjective questions and look for a universal answer.  Whether the game is worth the sub is up for you to decide. The game seems to be doing well, so it is worth the sub to those people. 

     

    If enough people stop subscribing, then the game will move to F2P (despite their claims that they wont) or close, and you can then safely assume that the consensus was that it wasn't worth a subscription fee.

    I'm not looking for universal answer, mate. I want the subjective opinion from the players. I'm not interested in the general consensus or if the game will die or thrive. I just wanted to read about individuals opinions and feels about the game they are playing or the game they stoped playing.

     

     

     

    Then you worded your original post very poorly. 

    Why do you say so ?

    I ask honestly, maybe i failed to express myself. English ain't my first language afterall. 

  • gambe1gambe1 Member UncommonPosts: 123

    If you can't afford 13 dolars or 10 euros a month for a MMO, you should not be playing it anyway, and in the case of Final Fantasy, you don't have a computer to run it. 

     

    I started playing it 3 weeks ago, and so far i love it. Haven't played a really good MMO for a year, and this is the one that pulled me back in MMO gaming.

  • YaevinduskYaevindusk Member RarePosts: 2,094

     

    The first content patch seems to be a deciding factor in this for a lot of people.  If they provide a lot (which it seems like they're doing), then it sets a good precedent in what to expect and thus the value of a subscription fee.

     

    As a big supporter of the game in 1.18+ and in Alpha / Beta I'd have to say that I don't think it was worth the sub price the past few months (despite subbing for $7.99 per month as a legacy member with the six month plan).  Though I knew they would be adding and upgrading systems with each update and that in due time it would be worth it.  The first of such updates is upon us.

     

    It definitely has a great core to build off of and I'm interested in seeing where they take it over the next couple years.  If you didn't get to max level in your time playing, it might be a good time to subscribe so that you can get that stuff out of the way in preparation for the new stuff in patch 2.1 "A Realm Awoken".

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  • mmo11mmo11 Member Posts: 17

    I liked it for about three weeks ( level 38 ).

    It seemed fun in the beginning, but then became repetitive and boring.

     

    1)The story line that YOU MUST DO from the beginning to end began getting tedious and this stopped me from playing with my friends. We all had to do our own stories.

    2) Dungeons- They were fun and hard at first. But once you and everyone is your groups knew the one trick you needed to know, they became too easy and short.

    3) The group finder made it that you didn't get to know your community.

    4) You never needed to know anyone in your server community, because the game was too easy and you auto group by using dynamic events system. I could not play with my friends except we could meet up in dungeons.  I had no reasion to play with my guild.

    5) It didn't feel like an mmo.

    6) The class system was nice and unique, I loved it at first. But you start running out of cool new abilities in your 30s....To move on seemed to not have anything great to look fwd too.

    7) Graphics were nice but each of the three zones looked the same, and the main cities were confusing with the split instancing.

    8) Small zones.

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