A lot of people are also playing WoW on old computers. I have a on old computer at home (GTX 460 lol) and I can still play WoW at ultra, but Wildstar (not sure if I can write this...) plays at 10-20 FPS at best with everything at low.
Isn't this what we always say every time a good looking and well marketing team for a MMO comes close to launch? Nothing will de-throne WoW. WoW does the MMO market right at targeting casual player base. I'm not a fan boy i went through my fair share of MMO's
Aion
SWTOR
TSW
GW2 (no considered a MMORPG)
Warhammer
FFXIV ARR
Vanguard
EQ2
AoC
Rift
and many others
and their all let downs in one way or another
WoW was my first MMO when vanilla was released and that was pure awesome at the taste of a MMO and i played every Xpack it has come out for WoW and i keep coming back to this game for some reason
1 - There are a lot of players
2 - The people you meet in guilds and on adventures are awesome
3- the fluid combat and animations (This is big for me)
4- Content
and many other things i can;t think of right now (Its the morning here)
No doubt i'll get Wildstar and ESO but i wont be surprised after a month i quit. I always like blizzards game as there the one that always suck me into the game aside from Diablo 3 (which was a total fuck up)
Edit: Not saying WoW is perfect it has some faults also (gear grinding , quest hub grinding) but their is just somthing about WoW i like and i keep coming back after trying many other games
Edit edit: If a game does not please me in the first 1-10 levels then i lose interest in the game.
IMHO, will this game kill Wow? No, Only the game developers can do that themselves.
Will handful of players leave to play it? maybe.
Tbh i think any game released next year and beyond will be healthy competition for Wow (Think competition is a much better word than "Wow killer"), i say this because blizzard aren't exactly trying to redefine the genre themselves, we've had the same old same old for past two expansions with little features added here and there, but nothing to gawp over. I've been hoping blizzard would raise the bar and set new standards, but instead they seem to be missing it themselves completely.
So to round off, no the game wont kill Wow, but it will provide some competition, so will ESO, Everquest and many other titles released in the future, unless blizzard fix (Leveling and content difficulty pre-raiding) and improve what they have.
The idea that WoW can only kill itself is pretty stupid.. There is no lifecycle for MMOs - most flame out early. But others like WoW kept growing into the second and third expansion well beyond the point they should be trending down. Some grow slowly but never go down like Eve.
I don't think this game will hit as hard as you think. I think the game will do fine. I'm not impressed by it at all. I think it will do fine on it's own, but nothing close to a "WoW killer". Sorry
Who said this won't be perfect after all we know what is right And the sounds of bodies clashing is enough to make them cry. You know this cannot be perfect even when it is feeling right. And the sound of bodies crashing echo through the night.
Originally posted by colddog04 You were the last person I expected to make a WoW killer thread.
haha believe me, I'm not saying it as a fan. In fact, this game hasn't really appealed to me as of yet. But looking at the design and systems of this game, it really does look like a sequel to WoW. And that may end up taking away a lot of subs.
There we go again with beating this dead horse.
Some people just never learn.
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Wildstar is not as big of a threat to WoW as all the anti-WoW people on this site would like to think it is. It will be a NICHE title, just like 95% of all other MMO's that have come out in the last 5 years.
WoW = years of friendships + significant time investment/progression + nearly timeless "stylized graphics" + strong IP (lore)
Wildstar's graphics are going to turn off a lot of people...so are the lame telegraphed attacks. Instead of feeling like "stylized" graphics it looks (and acts) like a bad Saturday morning cartoon (IMHO) - some people will enjoy that but I do not think it is going to be as big as some people hope on this site. I also no longer trust NCSOFT as a company after what I've seen with the GW2 and Aion cash shops - going B2P + Sub is the only way this game will survive under NcSoft so all the fans better hope enough people enjoy it enough for it not to go F2P. For those looking forward to it I hope it turns out great, but I have zero interest.
I think even if the game isn't as good as wow I still think that's ok. Because don't a lot of people want the old wow vanilla/tbc feel but in a new game? If that's what you're looking for, I think wildstar will deliver. It pretty much has all the pieces to be a great mmo, and mostly when I read people talk about flaws in the game it's mostly them saying either its a wow clone or the graphics are cartoony. I personally don't think I've been this hyped for a mmo in at least 5 years, and I expect great things from this game. Great combat/arenas/bg's/warplots/heroic dungeons/raids and devs that actually listen to the players feedback. To me the game is essentially wow but with better combat and slightly worse story (but it's a bit hard to compete with arthas/illidan type story in a game).
Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
Exactly, and it's always been one of the major reasons why WoW became such a huge hit.
Where as games that have followed after very successful films have floundered, an MMO based on an RTS was more likely to be widely accepted and more easily adapted and kept true to the original.
Wildstar will have to do some major advertising campaigns to show players that there is a fun alternative to WoW, an MMO that doesn't take itself seriously and has something new to offer.
I hope it proves a success, but history has proven time and again that there is no such thing as an MMO killer game out there, only the bean counters have that power.
I just don't see it. WoW has to much momentum behind it to really face a threat from something this similar. What is going to drive the average players to give up their friends list, guilds and max level toons to come to a new game and make it home? Yea sure many will try Wildstar just like many try every MMO made since WoW but they will end up going right back to their comfy little virtual home once the 30 day free sub expires.
The only chance Wildstar would have is if it can really make a compiling argument to entire social groups to move. For instance if they can make a significant dent in top 100 raid guilds moving in mass because the raiding is much better they might be able to start a shift of population movement but even than I just don't see it ever being a significant portion of WoW's audience. Human nature is to tend to stick with what you know until it just doesn't work anymore and for all the bad you can say about WoW at it's core the game does still work pretty well.
I'm not saying Wildstar won't crave out a niche for itself because it very well could but it won't be the next WoW unless Blizzard really screwed up big and pushed everyone to Wildstar in which case it would be more Blizzard killing WoW and Wildstar being in the right place at the right time more than anything else. But I just don't see that happening.
OP is right. The only missing puzzle is how much content there is to hold them and convince them to stay permanently. WoW is such an old relic of MMORPGs of the past.
It doesn't matter if it kills WoW or not, but it will be a great competitor with WoW which will force the 2 games to better themselves constantly. I played the vanilla WoW and after so many years it's ridiculous the gameplay changes they made to it. They made usability much better over the years but not the actual game/gameplay itself. They had so much time to make WoW untouchable but they already have so many subs, why bother? "Let's throw them pet battles and pandas to grow even more eastern fans."
I've been following Wildstar closely and the mentality of the developers actually know what WoW is missing and they are creating it and improving what WoW has to offer. The only sad thing is that they have to create a new IP which looks a bit too silly for my taste but it can actually be a lot of fun, we ll see.
The one thing that made WoW what it is today was its fluidity in combat and raids. Raids created a huge community and gave it a sense of grandeur. Then it lost its magic with flying mounts and group finder which made everyone just teleport from place to place and the world turned empty and useless besides farming dailies.
Now, Wildstar seems to have great combat fluidity and they are making a great effort to be the best competitive raiding MMO. Not only that but their world seems alive and will have constant quest events like GW2. Adding to that there will be paths that will keep you busy in the world itself as well.
The only thing that Wildstar is missing is World PVP. They said they are waiting to see the areas players will populate more before actually introducing World PVP, because they want to make it right. Although I appreciate this way of thinking I ll believe it when I see it.
Despite its silliness, Wildstar has the makings of a top MMO and what it looks like, a great dev team behind it which is crucial.
I just wish Carbine made SWTOR instead of Bioware!
I will be shocked and I do mean SHOCKED if WIldstar ever tops 2 million unless it goes F2P. Most mmo players that left WoW and its clones are just plain tired of the genre's repeated attempt at the same theme.
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I think this game may actually hit WoW's subs hard. Unlike so many other WoW clones, this seems to be doing what WoW did, but better. The stylized graphics are sharper, the combat more slick. It is adding housing which Blizzard is attempting to answer with their own version. The crafting is a more customizable version of WoW's tried and true system. I think this is less of a WoW clone and more of a WoW v2.0
They are doing what Blizzard did to EQ. And they may just beat them at their own game. I think Anet tried to beat WoW by going the polar opposite route. But Wildstar seems to have everything that a WoW fan enjoys, but better.
The storylines and characters are tounge in cheek and full of pop culture references, the raids seem bigger and badder, exploration is a career path.
I think WoW just may take its biggest subscription hit when this game launches. And I think Blizzard knows it.
Would be nice to push your imagination just a bit further. Try explaining to WoW subs why they should leave their accomplishments behind to go ahead and start all over on a another MMO, by what you are saying is somewhat better then WoW? If it were me and I was a WoW sub, I'd go toward a MMO that isn't RPG focussed but rather RTS / shooter focussed. Anyway, I'm glad you're not part of any marketing scheme for a company, and if you are by any chance, then I suggest you change your line of work.
Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
Originally posted by Kyleran It's missing one very key element that Wow has, a popular IP behind it.
This alone will hamper it's success as the average WOW player will likely never hear of it.
I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
For the first year or so, the people playing were mostly fans of the RTS, or fans of the genre looking for an updated game. It steadily rose to about 1 million users during it's first year, as word of mouth spread (1M was a huge number back then). Yes, a lot of people ended up playing because that's what their friends played, but you can't forget the endless stream of "wow killers" that failed simply because they were bad games.
WoW's success had as much to do with their competition's inability to deliver a single quality alternative, as it did with WoW being an amazing game. Even 10 years later, the best their competition seems to be able to do is offer "free" games in hopes of attracting people. It should tell you something about a game when even the publishers don't think it's worth paying a subscription for.
as much as a cringe when i hear 'x will kill wow' this is probably the one game that may do it. All the other 'x will kill wow' games had a different direction.
Warhammer - x will kill wow game that focused on RvR
Guild Wars2 - x will kill wow game that focused on casual playerbase / pvp
wildstar - x will kill wow game that focuses on raiding.
Wildstar is almost a carbon copy with improved features. I wont be playing the game because synchronized swim** errrr raiding for me is boring and repetitive. But it looks like wildstar will do raiding better and bring back 40 man raids which I always heard raiders say they want.
In my experience with talking people in real life very few people even know what Wildstar is. I would say both ESO and EQ:N have a much better chance of putting a dent in WoW's numbers than Wildstar does, but I find it highly unlikely that either will dethrone WoW. I wouldn't be surprised if they initially have larger player bases than WoW does, but just like Warhammer, Rift, SW:TOR, and GW2, they will both eventually fade.
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Isn't this what we always say every time a good looking and well marketing team for a MMO comes close to launch? Nothing will de-throne WoW. WoW does the MMO market right at targeting casual player base. I'm not a fan boy i went through my fair share of MMO's
Aion
SWTOR
TSW
GW2 (no considered a MMORPG)
Warhammer
FFXIV ARR
Vanguard
EQ2
AoC
Rift
and many others
and their all let downs in one way or another
WoW was my first MMO when vanilla was released and that was pure awesome at the taste of a MMO and i played every Xpack it has come out for WoW and i keep coming back to this game for some reason
1 - There are a lot of players
2 - The people you meet in guilds and on adventures are awesome
3- the fluid combat and animations (This is big for me)
4- Content
and many other things i can;t think of right now (Its the morning here)
No doubt i'll get Wildstar and ESO but i wont be surprised after a month i quit. I always like blizzards game as there the one that always suck me into the game aside from Diablo 3 (which was a total fuck up)
Edit: Not saying WoW is perfect it has some faults also (gear grinding , quest hub grinding) but their is just somthing about WoW i like and i keep coming back after trying many other games
Edit edit: If a game does not please me in the first 1-10 levels then i lose interest in the game.
IMHO, will this game kill Wow? No, Only the game developers can do that themselves.
Will handful of players leave to play it? maybe.
Tbh i think any game released next year and beyond will be healthy competition for Wow (Think competition is a much better word than "Wow killer"), i say this because blizzard aren't exactly trying to redefine the genre themselves, we've had the same old same old for past two expansions with little features added here and there, but nothing to gawp over. I've been hoping blizzard would raise the bar and set new standards, but instead they seem to be missing it themselves completely.
So to round off, no the game wont kill Wow, but it will provide some competition, so will ESO, Everquest and many other titles released in the future, unless blizzard fix (Leveling and content difficulty pre-raiding) and improve what they have.
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100% accurate statement. I have co-workers who play WoW and nothing but. They don't even know other games exist.
And for the record I used to believe the only thing that could kill WoW was WoW. Now I believe it to no0t be true. WoW will be around forever.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Who said this won't be perfect after all we know what is right
And the sounds of bodies clashing is enough to make them cry.
You know this cannot be perfect even when it is feeling right.
And the sound of bodies crashing echo through the night.
There we go again with beating this dead horse.
Some people just never learn.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney
Wildstar is not as big of a threat to WoW as all the anti-WoW people on this site would like to think it is. It will be a NICHE title, just like 95% of all other MMO's that have come out in the last 5 years.
WoW = years of friendships + significant time investment/progression + nearly timeless "stylized graphics" + strong IP (lore)
Wildstar's graphics are going to turn off a lot of people...so are the lame telegraphed attacks. Instead of feeling like "stylized" graphics it looks (and acts) like a bad Saturday morning cartoon (IMHO) - some people will enjoy that but I do not think it is going to be as big as some people hope on this site. I also no longer trust NCSOFT as a company after what I've seen with the GW2 and Aion cash shops - going B2P + Sub is the only way this game will survive under NcSoft so all the fans better hope enough people enjoy it enough for it not to go F2P. For those looking forward to it I hope it turns out great, but I have zero interest.
Exactly, and it's always been one of the major reasons why WoW became such a huge hit.
Where as games that have followed after very successful films have floundered, an MMO based on an RTS was more likely to be widely accepted and more easily adapted and kept true to the original.
Wildstar will have to do some major advertising campaigns to show players that there is a fun alternative to WoW, an MMO that doesn't take itself seriously and has something new to offer.
I hope it proves a success, but history has proven time and again that there is no such thing as an MMO killer game out there, only the bean counters have that power.
I just don't see it. WoW has to much momentum behind it to really face a threat from something this similar. What is going to drive the average players to give up their friends list, guilds and max level toons to come to a new game and make it home? Yea sure many will try Wildstar just like many try every MMO made since WoW but they will end up going right back to their comfy little virtual home once the 30 day free sub expires.
The only chance Wildstar would have is if it can really make a compiling argument to entire social groups to move. For instance if they can make a significant dent in top 100 raid guilds moving in mass because the raiding is much better they might be able to start a shift of population movement but even than I just don't see it ever being a significant portion of WoW's audience. Human nature is to tend to stick with what you know until it just doesn't work anymore and for all the bad you can say about WoW at it's core the game does still work pretty well.
I'm not saying Wildstar won't crave out a niche for itself because it very well could but it won't be the next WoW unless Blizzard really screwed up big and pushed everyone to Wildstar in which case it would be more Blizzard killing WoW and Wildstar being in the right place at the right time more than anything else. But I just don't see that happening.
It doesn't matter if it kills WoW or not, but it will be a great competitor with WoW which will force the 2 games to better themselves constantly. I played the vanilla WoW and after so many years it's ridiculous the gameplay changes they made to it. They made usability much better over the years but not the actual game/gameplay itself. They had so much time to make WoW untouchable but they already have so many subs, why bother? "Let's throw them pet battles and pandas to grow even more eastern fans."
I've been following Wildstar closely and the mentality of the developers actually know what WoW is missing and they are creating it and improving what WoW has to offer. The only sad thing is that they have to create a new IP which looks a bit too silly for my taste but it can actually be a lot of fun, we ll see.
The one thing that made WoW what it is today was its fluidity in combat and raids. Raids created a huge community and gave it a sense of grandeur. Then it lost its magic with flying mounts and group finder which made everyone just teleport from place to place and the world turned empty and useless besides farming dailies.
Now, Wildstar seems to have great combat fluidity and they are making a great effort to be the best competitive raiding MMO. Not only that but their world seems alive and will have constant quest events like GW2. Adding to that there will be paths that will keep you busy in the world itself as well.
The only thing that Wildstar is missing is World PVP. They said they are waiting to see the areas players will populate more before actually introducing World PVP, because they want to make it right. Although I appreciate this way of thinking I ll believe it when I see it.
Despite its silliness, Wildstar has the makings of a top MMO and what it looks like, a great dev team behind it which is crucial.
I just wish Carbine made SWTOR instead of Bioware!
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Would be nice to push your imagination just a bit further. Try explaining to WoW subs why they should leave their accomplishments behind to go ahead and start all over on a another MMO, by what you are saying is somewhat better then WoW? If it were me and I was a WoW sub, I'd go toward a MMO that isn't RPG focussed but rather RTS / shooter focussed. Anyway, I'm glad you're not part of any marketing scheme for a company, and if you are by any chance, then I suggest you change your line of work.
WoW is killing itself. Regardless of how big it is they have hemmoraghed subs since the end of WotLK. I don't see that changing any time soon.
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I don't think so. WoW didn't get it's growth because all those people that never played an MMORPG before were fans of Warcraft. It grew to millions because everyone ELSE was playing. The IP was just a bonus for those familiar with fantasy. We have already seen how a popular IP doesn't spell a great following. It really is all about how the game plays.
I think because Wildstar has the originality that far too many MMOs lack is one of it strong points and sets it apart.
For the first year or so, the people playing were mostly fans of the RTS, or fans of the genre looking for an updated game. It steadily rose to about 1 million users during it's first year, as word of mouth spread (1M was a huge number back then). Yes, a lot of people ended up playing because that's what their friends played, but you can't forget the endless stream of "wow killers" that failed simply because they were bad games.
WoW's success had as much to do with their competition's inability to deliver a single quality alternative, as it did with WoW being an amazing game. Even 10 years later, the best their competition seems to be able to do is offer "free" games in hopes of attracting people. It should tell you something about a game when even the publishers don't think it's worth paying a subscription for.
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as much as a cringe when i hear 'x will kill wow' this is probably the one game that may do it. All the other 'x will kill wow' games had a different direction.
Warhammer - x will kill wow game that focused on RvR
Guild Wars2 - x will kill wow game that focused on casual playerbase / pvp
wildstar - x will kill wow game that focuses on raiding.
Wildstar is almost a carbon copy with improved features. I wont be playing the game because synchronized swim** errrr raiding for me is boring and repetitive. But it looks like wildstar will do raiding better and bring back 40 man raids which I always heard raiders say they want.
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