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free2play · December 2005

http://cgw.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3146444&did=4

I saw another mag on the shelf today, main message, sink or swim?

Woe to you oh SOE,
for the gamers send the beast with wrath,

Warsong · December 2005

Yep nothing left for them but to walk out on the plank and beg for mercy.. ::::30::

zizi81 · December 2005

I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's rather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by zizi81
I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's reather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

If you like it then play it by all means and then watch them do the same thing to you brutha.
Hell if I still thought it was a good game (no matter what they did to my progress) I would be playing it still , but I dont...doesnt mean other people wont like it either untill you get to the part where its suppose to be an MMORPG and they turn your invested time developing your character into squat and you figure out you have just been playing a fancy first person shooter and paying 15 bucks a month to play it.
Thats when you will feel like a vet and a real SOE/LA customer....scammed

SofaKing2000 · December 2005

Originally posted by Warsong

Originally posted by zizi81
I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's reather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

If you like it then play it by all means and then watch them do the same thing to you brutha.
Hell if I still thought it was a good game (no matter what they did to my progress) I would be playing it still , but I dont...doesnt mean other people wont like it either untill you get to the part where its suppose to be an MMORPG and they turn your invested time developing your character into squat and you figure out you have just been playing a fancy first person shooter and paying 15 bucks a month to play it.
Thats when you will feel like a vet and a real SOE/LA customer....scammed

Funny, Sad and true.

"Feel like a Vet and a real SOE/LA customer...scammed"

/sigh.... that line pretty much somes up how I and many others feel.

enjoy the game ZiZ, I hope you don't become as jaded as us vets.

Obraik · December 2005

Originally posted by zizi81
I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's reather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

Just a FYI, the house spawning thing is a server load reduction feature. The server doesn't load all structures unless it really needs to (ie you get close to where it should be). Because there's no limit on how many structures can be placed on a planet (other then the obvious physical ones), if all structures were loaded at once then the game would be a slide show

The same goes for NPC bases, which sometimes causes the ground to flicker as the game engine adjusts the terrain structure to fit the base.

zizi81 · December 2005

Good thing many people took a stance on my post. Also it's good to notice that there still are some rational people using these forums and not only those who cause fights on purpose.

Shayde · December 2005

Originally posted by zizi81
Good thing many people took a stance on my post. Also it's good to notice that there still are some rational people using these forums and not only those who cause fights on purpose.

Yeah.. well F-YOU!!! Just kidding, but with a line like that, I had to.

Really... this game is kinda tolerable if you've never played SWG at all ever. You see the game at what it is now and you see the starwarsy quests and the clicky combat. Not horrible really, but not exactly exciting either.

You don't realize that all the weapons have the same damage. You never had great weapons before.

You don't miss classes that were really fun, yet no longer exist.

You don't remember when specials meant anything. When strategy mattered.

You don't remember when the system was diverse and challenging.

You don't remember being unique.

You have no idea how far this game has fallen... so it doesn't seem so bad. This is the walmart of games.

daeandor · December 2005

Originally posted by zizi81
Good thing many people took a stance on my post. Also it's good to notice that there still are some rational people using these forums and not only those who cause fights on purpose.

Generally, unless the original post is a flame, people here give decent opinions for about one page. I'm glad you are liking SWG though. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask you some questions though:

Are you in a PA (guild)?

Do you see many other people where your travels take you?

Have you travelled beyond Tatooine and doing the quest lines you started there?

In game are you finding people who are helpful? enjoying the game like you?

free2play · December 2005

Originally posted by zizi81
I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's rather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

If this was SWG2 I would agree with you 100%. There is a uniqueness to NGE and it has some creative aspects. None worth the bleaching the Vet side took. Pointed out, if you get into this game for more than 3 months, you will have your turn out back of the SOE wood shed. So often with SWG, the good gets lost in the mud they bury it in.

What is most frustrating is, they never hit the mark. Players still don't look balanced and are so out of balance with a gank system AI set up to defeat players with 90% resists like in PreCU, you are a meat wagon in the field when it comes to 90% of the spawns. Add to that the garbage loots that are supposed to replace a player economy 3 years in the making, the slow weaning process of class elimination being a poor excuse for sham if I ever saw one. Tip to the nooblet of SWG, if your proff blows and they are ignoring it, don't get attached, it is scheduled for the chopping block. They are just passing the buck and hoping most will head elsewhere so they can say it wasn't in demand.

Sorry, NGE was a brainchild abducted by a hyde company. It will fail like PreCU and for all the wrong reasons.

Dis_Ordur · December 2005

Funny thing is, places like Wired Magazine, CGW and the NY Times for that matter are all much more reputable than the half-ass padded reviews that SWG has been getting from places like Ogaming... This ship is sinking, and sinking fast... A lot of PC gamers regard CGW as the best source for reviews too, this will reach many people and is yet another black eye for SOE and SWG...

Jheron · December 2005

Originally posted by Dis_Ordur
Funny thing is, places like Wired Magazine, CGW and the NY Times for that matter are all much more reputable than the half-ass padded reviews that SWG has been getting from places like Ogaming... This ship is sinking, and sinking fast... A lot of PC gamers regard CGW as the best source for reviews too, this will reach many people and is yet another black eye for SOE and SWG...

Is the CGW review on line and do you have a link?

Warsong · December 2005

Originally posted by Jheron
Originally posted by Dis_Ordur Funny thing is, places like Wired Magazine, CGW and the NY Times for that matter are all much more reputable than the half-ass padded reviews that SWG has been getting from places like Ogaming... This ship is sinking, and sinking fast... A lot of PC gamers regard CGW as the best source for reviews too, this will reach many people and is yet another black eye for SOE and SWG...Is the CGW review on line and do you have a link?

the link is in the OP

anarchyart · December 2005

The CGW review was by a former player. Bias anyone?

Doomsayer · December 2005

Are you in a PA (guild)?

No. Though I have seen a plenty.

Do you see many other people where your travels take you?

Depends. I play late at night in the United States. And I see people around. Sometimes barely any, other times, more than I care to have around me. But considering the time I play, I would say its about the same as any other MMORPG I have played except WoW, which was always crowded.

Have you travelled beyond Tatooine and doing the quest lines you started there?

Yes. I have. There could be some serious work done here. But some of the things I have gotten involved in are good. And I just picked up RotW, and that has added some interesting stuff.

In game are you finding people who are helpful? enjoying the game like you?

Yes. Plenty. Every question I have asked to someone has been answered to the best of their ability, that I know of. And they were always curteous. Which is new, most games you at least meat someone who says, "get lost n00b."

And I have seen plenty of people running around doing stuff like I am, I have even found more shops with player made stuff open than I would have thought with the mass exodus and all. I was pretty much thinking that the playermade side of things would be DEAD. Its not. As to if they are enjoying themselves or not, I cannot say as I cannot read minds.

As I have returned to the game recently after leaving the game the first time about 2 months after initial release...I wanted to answer theses questions ans honestly as I could.

I did not like the game way back when, its more interesting to me now. But, thats not ALL the NGE. About half of what I like about the game were adjustments made to the game long before the CU. I just never came back and tried them out. That stuff, plus the NGE, is what finally convinced me to give it another try. I like it.

I told a friend of mine about it that had the same initial experience I had, he came back, he likes it.

I have two friends who have played it since release and never stopped, they adjusted and still like the game. But, shoot...those two are major diehards, I think SOE take a crap, put a SWG logo on it, and those two would still play with it.

I don't think this will last. SOE is going to do something, undoubtedly, to mess this up. Either changing it so now I don't like it, or shutting it down. Its just a matter of time. But until that time, its fun.

EbeOne · December 2005

Sink, Sink, Sink!!!

duncan_922 · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart
The CGW review was by a former player. Bias anyone?

Who do you think should write a review? Someone who hasn't played the game? Funny how every review that is not favorable to the NGE is now biased.

I remember when the CU hit and most reviews were positive and a few negative, the CU supporters said that those non-favorable reviews were biased. Funny how the tables can turn in an instant. Who's the vocal minority now?

anarchyart · December 2005

Originally posted by duncan_922

Who do you think should write a review? Someone who hasn't played the game? Funny how every review that is not favorable to the NGE is now biased.
I remember when the CU hit and most reviews were positive and a few negative, the CU supporters said that those non-favorable reviews were biased. Funny how the tables can turn in an instant. Who's the vocal minority now?

Just read the dang review and tell me it isn't biased.

nthnaoun · December 2005

Originally posted by Obraik

Originally posted by zizi81
I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's reather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one.

Just a FYI, the house spawning thing is a server load reduction feature. The server doesn't load all structures unless it really needs to (ie you get close to where it should be). Because there's no limit on how many structures can be placed on a planet (other then the obvious physical ones), if all structures were loaded at once then the game would be a slide show

The same goes for NPC bases, which sometimes causes the ground to flicker as the game engine adjusts the terrain structure to fit the base.

This is one of the biggest complaints I have on this game. I understand the reasoning in them implementing this feature, but it gets so laggy while everything is loading up and just seems sloppy and buggy in my opinion. Good point though on the both of you.

crack_fox · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart
The CGW review was by a former player. Bias anyone?

Of course it is biased. It's a review by an angry vet for other angry vets, rather than an attempt to view the game objectively from the perspective of a new player. But I suppose that's to be expected in the circumstances.

There's an earlier review on CGW (2004) which is interesting:

http://cgw.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3138675&did=4

The reviewer says that the (pre-NGE) game is "fundamentally inaccessible", "bewildering" in its complexity and complains that newcomers will "feel frustrated due to the fact that they can be a dancer, tailor, or chef, but can't just jump in as a Jedi". You would have thought that the ability to jump straight into your junior jedi pyjamas would at least have satisfied the boys at CGW. A bit hypocritical methinks - you could even reason that reviews like this may have influenced the direction that the game has nw taken.

nthnaoun · December 2005

Originally posted by Shayde

Originally posted by zizi81
Good thing many people took a stance on my post. Also it's good to notice that there still are some rational people using these forums and not only those who cause fights on purpose.

Yeah.. well F-YOU!!! Just kidding, but with a line like that, I had to.

Really... this game is kinda tolerable if you've never played SWG at all ever. You see the game at what it is now and you see the starwarsy quests and the clicky combat. Not horrible really, but not exactly exciting either.

You don't realize that all the weapons have the same damage. You never had great weapons before.

You don't miss classes that were really fun, yet no longer exist.

You don't remember when specials meant anything. When strategy mattered.

You don't remember when the system was diverse and challenging.

You don't remember being unique.

You have no idea how far this game has fallen... so it doesn't seem so bad. This is the walmart of games.

This is an interesting perspective on it which I partially agree with. I played the NGE after it came out and I am also a Post CU vet. I played since the CU came out. Anyways, the NGE reduced the diversity of classes/professions which made leveling up interesting only to the people who have never tried the moves given to you. That is after all the fun part of leveling is getting that new move. Well for us pre-NGE players we already played all these moves and knowing that we won't be different from anyone else kind of puts a dampner on all the fun aspects of the NGE. The bugs and also the way the terrain and structures loads up dampens the fun factor of the NGE also. There are other reasons why I quit, but they've been posted already. So like Shayde says, the game is fun for the newcomers, but the rest of us that quit miss the diversity amongst other things and can't bare to play it anymore.

anarchyart · December 2005

Originally posted by Mandolin

Originally posted by anarchyart
The CGW review was by a former player. Bias anyone?

Of course it is biased. It's a review by an angry vet for other angry vets, rather than an attempt to view the game objectively from the perspective of a new player. But I suppose that's to be expected in the circumstances.

There's an earlier review on CGW (2004) which is interesting:

http://cgw.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3138675&did=4

The reviewer says that the (pre-NGE) game is "fundamentally inaccessible", "bewildering" in its complexity and complains that newcomers will "feel frustrated due to the fact that they can be a dancer, tailor, or chef, but can't just jump in as a Jedi". You would have thought that the ability to jump straight into your junior jedi pyjamas would at least have satisfied the boys at CGW. A bit hypocritical methinks - you could even reason that reviews like this may have influenced the direction that the game has nw taken.

QFE! Star Wars fans, some of them, will NEVER BE HAPPY unless they are actually in the Star Wars universe wearing said Jedi pyjamas.

Scaris · December 2005

Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by zizi81 I'm new to SWG and I'd say the game is good - even great compared to other mmorpg's at the moment. I'd say for example that the aiming system is great - feels more like fighting when your target isn't locked up and in my opinion it brings more action to the game. I also find that it's reather easy to play SWG RP-style. The only minus seems to be this beta-look. Buildings appearing from nowhere and buggy graphics etc. Of course I understand that there are lots and lots of vets who doesn't like when their character has been "destroyed", but this is my point of view as a new player. This is a forum - I told you my opinion, share your own one. Just a FYI, the house spawning thing is a server load reduction feature. The server doesn't load all structures unless it really needs to (ie you get close to where it should be). Because there's no limit on how many structures can be placed on a planet (other then the obvious physical ones), if all structures were loaded at once then the game would be a slide show The same goes for NPC bases, which sometimes causes the ground to flicker as the game engine adjusts the terrain structure to fit the base.

A function that is no longer feesible since everyone runs at "twice the fun" speed. But the dev's didn't really care about that problem either when they changed the game up.

duncan_922 · December 2005

Originally posted by anarchyart

Originally posted by Mandolin

Originally posted by anarchyart
The CGW review was by a former player. Bias anyone?

Of course it is biased. It's a review by an angry vet for other angry vets, rather than an attempt to view the game objectively from the perspective of a new player. But I suppose that's to be expected in the circumstances.

There's an earlier review on CGW (2004) which is interesting:

http://cgw.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3138675&did=4

The reviewer says that the (pre-NGE) game is "fundamentally inaccessible", "bewildering" in its complexity and complains that newcomers will "feel frustrated due to the fact that they can be a dancer, tailor, or chef, but can't just jump in as a Jedi". You would have thought that the ability to jump straight into your junior jedi pyjamas would at least have satisfied the boys at CGW. A bit hypocritical methinks - you could even reason that reviews like this may have influenced the direction that the game has nw taken.

QFE! Star Wars fans, some of them, will NEVER BE HAPPY unless they are actually in the Star Wars universe wearing said Jedi pyjamas.

Are both reviews written by the same person? The last one (NGE) was done by Mathew Chase, the previous one doesn't say, so that might explain it. As for the rest of the review beign biased. Just because you don't agree with it does not make it biased. You like the changes introduced into the game by the NGE and that's all good. The reviewer saw in it a flawed system, something a lot of us agree with. He talks about the content
that at the time didn't work, wich was true at the time. He talks about veterans feeling cheated with the new 9 "iconic" professions, something that most PRE-NGE Jedi, crafters, CH, BE and other classes that were not "star-warsy" enough can agree. He talks about the HUD which most of us can agree too. He talks about the dumbing down of the game, something most of us also agree. And finally he talks about the uselessnes of the PRE-NGE weapons since now every weapon is the same, something most of us agree as well.

So like I said, just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's necesarily biased. Welcome to beign now a minority!

anarchyart · December 2005

Originally posted by duncan_922

Are both reviews written by the same person? The last one (NGE) was done by Mathew Chase, the previous one doesn't say, so that might explain it. As for the rest of the review beign biased. Just because you don't agree with it does not make it biased. You like the changes introduced into the game by the NGE and that's all good. The reviewer saw in it a flawed system, something a lot of us agree with. He talks about the content
that at the time didn't work, wich was true at the time. He talks about veterans feeling cheated with the new 9 "iconic" professions, something that most PRE-NGE Jedi, crafters, CH, BE and other classes that were not "star-warsy" enough can agree. He talks about the HUD which most of us can agree too. He talks about the dumbing down of the game, something most of us also agree. And finally he talks about the uselessnes of the PRE-NGE weapons since now every weapon is the same, something most of us agree as well.
So like I said, just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's necesarily biased. Welcome to beign now a minority!

Ok so I said to read that review and tell me it is NOT biased. Can you say that it isn't biased?

Vin79 · December 2005

The thing that killed the game for me is they fact that there is nothing for me to do when i maxed out levels. The old interesting quests are broken since no parts are dropped. I refuse to buy The Obi expansion, but i guess other than that there is no content. I made it to tier 4 in space and cant find any people to help me out with missions..woo. Prices on items like ships has skyrocketed since there are not many traders left. Some materials dont spawn any more either.

But i guess you will be aware of the problems when the legacy quest is done. And your running out of options. Or when you try to get hold of a CSR

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