Originally posted by Laluna Honestly, one would think that people with at least half a brain would be wondering " gee where is my 15 bucks a month going? " HMMMM......
To the next MMORPG SOE has in development.
Yep. Very true. It is going to be a DC Comic based MMORPG. SOE knows SWG is dead, so they are using it as a test bed for their revamped game engine that will be used for their upcoing DC Comics based MMORPG. Even Smedly himself said as much in an interview recently on another website where he talks about some of the exciting new games SOE is working on.
To think swg is going to close soon is simply delusional. SWG is more fun then ever right now and frankly i beleive it will prosper more then ever before by the end of Q1 2006.
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Originally posted by Laluna ...and I loved playing the game - but between all the crap changes, the stupid people who have testosterone issues and the lack of good customer support - it tuned SWG in a chore and not something i enjoyed...
That sums up how I have felt about every MMORPG I have ever played.
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Originally posted by pirrg To think swg is going to close soon is simply delusional. SWG is more fun then ever right now and frankly i beleive it will prosper more then ever before by the end of Q1 2006.
Originally posted by unqlTango Fantasy genre will always be a success, especially till you can see barely clothed elf chicks everywhere. Also, age doesn't matter much. If someone loves fantasy as a youngster, he will love it when he matures. I am a fantasy fan and i'm over 30. Yet, i never played WoW and never will, because that's NOT fantasy (in my definition). It just looks like one, using elements from it. Also, i played SWG for 2 years, which is also not a fantasy game. Above that i'm not an SW geek at all. Why did i play sci-fi instead of fantasy then? The answer is easy. I just loved the game mechanics. It was unique, diverse, challenging, fun. Now it is dull, broken and empty. So i cancelled and looking for a new MMO. Tango over 2 years SWG vet, cancelled Actually, you were playing a fantasy game. Star Wars has much more in common with fantasy than with science fiction. Nothing in Star Wars is really based on any kind of science. And its basic theme is good vs evil....which is a tried and true methodology of fantasy. Think about it, you can easily replace all the major players and events that happen in Star Wars with "standard" fantasy equivalents. And don't get me started on "the Force". Even when they tried to science it up with the addition of "mitoclorians" (which was horrible, btw) they still didn't even come close to making it anymore science based. Star Wars is purely a fantasy story told in space. Using space ships instead of boats, and vehicles instead of horses. I mean, they even kept swords. It all comes down to the story being told, and thats a fallen knight redeemed by his son before he is utterly lost to the forces of evil. Thats fantasy. Oh, and a statement to keep this on topic: I play the game now, I like it. If it fails in a few months and they shut it down, or sell it or whatever. No loss. It was fun for me while it lasted.
Well, IMO the definition of fantasy is pretty subjective. I consider myself a hardcore, oldschool fantasy player. Fantasy for me is the Tolkien way, all those who respected the basics. That's why i don't call WoW fantasy. Airguitaring, headbanging undeads? Come on... Those things might be funny for those who didn't meet real fantasy before, but for me, that's horrific. Even the very good game mechanics can't make me play it.
On the other hand, i consider(ed before NGE) SWG a sci-fi RPG. All because it is in sci-fi settings. Also, SWG feels more realworld-like than any fantasy. And if you play in a world which is closer to your own, then your thinking while playing will be different too.
You are right about both work on the same principles. But you can say that about almost all MMO-s, where PvP is included. Good vs evil, classes/roles, xp/levelling up, etc. Also, the SWG was pretty close to conventional fantasy too (melee classes, CHs, Rangers, etc.). SWG could serve dozens of different playstyles w/o problem (melee/ranged figters, crafters, entertainers, healers, PvP/PvE, RPG, space shooter, etc.). Now it is gone, and the new ppl will never know what did they lose.
Tango
Tenshi - ex Master Defender, ubertank Tenshu - Master CH - Master Bio-Engineer - Master Scout - Ranger --> dead
Originally posted by pirrg To think swg is going to close soon is simply delusional. SWG is more fun then ever right now and frankly i beleive it will prosper more then ever before by the end of Q1 2006.
No offense, but you have never been a crafter, right?
Well, IMO the definition of fantasy is pretty subjective. I consider myself a hardcore, oldschool fantasy player. Fantasy for me is the Tolkien way, all those who respected the basics. That's why i don't call WoW fantasy. Airguitaring, headbanging undeads? Come on... Those things might be funny for those who didn't meet real fantasy before, but for me, that's horrific. Even the very good game mechanics can't make me play it.
On the other hand, i consider(ed before NGE) SWG a sci-fi RPG. All because it is in sci-fi settings. Also, SWG feels more realworld-like than any fantasy. And if you play in a world which is closer to your own, then your thinking while playing will be different too.
You are right about both work on the same principles. But you can say that about almost all MMO-s, where PvP is included. Good vs evil, classes/roles, xp/levelling up, etc. Also, the SWG was pretty close to conventional fantasy too (melee classes, CHs, Rangers, etc.). SWG could serve dozens of different playstyles w/o problem (melee/ranged figters, crafters, entertainers, healers, PvP/PvE, RPG, space shooter, etc.). Now it is gone, and the new ppl will never know what did they lose.
Tango
Tenshi - ex Master Defender, ubertank Tenshu - Master CH - Master Bio-Engineer - Master Scout - Ranger --> dead
Yeah I was refering to the basic principles that set Fantasy and Sci-fi apart from the root literary or media sense. The two genres have melded these days and have several that span the gap. Take Star Trek...thats about half Sci-fi and half Fantasy. Real science fiction takes into account existing technologies, looks ahead at what could be and talks about a possible future for this reality. Thats the basic definition of science fiction. The Matrix is another good example of this, though I never did see the last one. Anything else starts crossing over into the realm of fantasy. Look too far ahead? Have technologies not based off anything existing or at least provable in theory? Then it becomes fantasy. Regardless of what is in the setting, such as cars, spaceships, or whatever.
Star Wars, nothing about their technology is based on anything remotely scientific, takes place in the past before our current time line on Earth. And has "the Force", which is another word for magic, that does not exist in our reality. The main and only storyline is a philosphical question about the point of view on good and evil. All these things scream fantasy. I mean make the rebellion and empire to fueding kingdoms, give them all magic gear and horses, boats, and whatever, in place of blasters, spaceships, etc. And its your standard hi-fantasy.
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Originally posted by haxxjoo My personal belief is that SOE developers realize its get the game to work or be unemployeed. I am certain this is driving them to get things fixed. All you players who play this game need to wake up to this very soon. Unless you help persuade people of the NGE being the best version of swg there wont be a swg. So if you really want a star wars mmo and like the nge you'd better start helping soe a lot. Otherwise you will be playing battlefront II with me.
Uhhhh...ha? I'm fairly sure most of the people on the SWG team have already begun beefing up their resume. They know this game is going down and all that is left now is for the "plug to be pulled" as it were. This game never should have made it out of Beta.
SWG is to the MMO market as Gigli is to the movie industry.
Middle management might be on the porch in the morning, some pr people but coders will get assigned to another project. They are the grunts, hand em a sheet with the code they are expected to have finished. It's really pretty boring stuff all in all. On the fate of SWG, I liked it and NGE wasn't rotten, it was just a bad cop out. Smed head talked about long term and 7 years yet, if he had been thinking that far ahead, why was the game in such shape after 3? Either NGE was always part of the plan or someone is talking out of thier ass.
I dunno, I play something else now and gain nothing from NGE failing. IMO SWG is dead, it died at CU. Everything after that was just something ripping off its name. If D&L can come back, so can PreCU. Only in the hands of LAE though because nobody else can afford to carry the license and wotk inside the sub expactations MMO are limited to right now.
Well, IMO the definition of fantasy is pretty subjective. I consider myself a hardcore, oldschool fantasy player. Fantasy for me is the Tolkien way, all those who respected the basics. That's why i don't call WoW fantasy. Airguitaring, headbanging undeads? Come on... Those things might be funny for those who didn't meet real fantasy before, but for me, that's horrific. Even the very good game mechanics can't make me play it.
Tolkien was the master, and no other fantasy writer has come even close to matching the scope and depth of his work. However, I think the worst fantasy is the kind that tries to slavishly emulate Tolkien. It's an imaginative genre, so I dislike any attempts to straight-jacket the term with such limiting definitions. JRRT's work drew heavily on Germanic myths, but there's no reason why fantasy can't derive its inspiration from other sources. Personally, I'd like to see more fantasy games but without the endlessly recycled cliches. Saga of Ryzom is definitely a fantasy game and one that has that key ingredient of all good fantasy in abundance - imagination - without elves, dwarves and all the other tired elements. And SW is space fantasy, rather than sci-fi.
WRT WoW, I respect your opinion but you're missing out by not playing it. Headbanging undead might be anathema to po-faced fantasy purists, but WoW's humour helps to remind people that they're playing a game. You wouldn't think people would need to be reminded of this, but looking over some of the stuff that's been posted on the SWG boards over the last few weeks it's evident that they do.
Originally posted by Mandolin Tolkien was the master, and no other fantasy writer has come even close to matching the scope and depth of his work. However, I think the worst fantasy is the kind that tries to slavishly emulate Tolkien. It's an imaginative genre, so I dislike any attempts to straight-jacket the term with such limiting definitions. JRRT's work drew heavily on Germanic myths, but there's no reason why fantasy can't derive its inspiration from other sources.
No argue there, i also wouldn't like a stagnant one-size-fits-all fantasy genre. There are tons of writers who added content to fantasy the good way. A good fantasy does not need elves, dwarves and other Tolkien achetypes.
Originally posted by Mandolin WRT WoW, I respect your opinion but you're missing out by not playing it. Headbanging undead might be anathema to po-faced fantasy purists, but WoW's humour helps to remind people that they're playing a game. You wouldn't think people would need to be reminded of this, but looking over some of the stuff that's been posted on the SWG boards over the last few weeks it's evident that they do.
I think Blizzard bent the fantasy the wrong way. It just won't fit for me. I'm no enemy of humor at all, but i think a fantasy can have humor w/o twisting the genre like WoW does. (I also don't like Shadowrun, but that's irrevelant here.)
Anyway, this is my problem only, if 4 million ppl likes it, then who am i to tell them they play a fake fantasy? I'm simply not compatible with WoW.
Ahh Tango.. man. You had me until you slighted Shadowrun.
Man, Shadowrun would make an AWESOME MMORPG.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
We have SR style MMORPGs for a long time already. Just call the orc and elves differently and call the mages nano-mages.
Heck, they are not even sure who OWNS the Shadowrun computer game license these days ?! For pen and paper its FanPro (a German corp) after FASA went belly up.
And every SR computer game s***ed big time so far.
Give me Deckers, Street Shamans, Street mages, Street Samaurai...
I've never had more fun playing an RPG than Shadowrun. Well, maybe Paranoia, but that's because it was so loopy.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Originally posted by Vin79 Well as i se it, all the more reason to watch Star Trek online closely, at east there will be less magic and crap. And then Tabula Rasa might be ok...
I'm really looking forward to ST:O, but damn is it far away! Still in pre-production. I even doubt they'll make alpha on 2006.
SOE knows what you like... You don't! And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
Originally posted by duncan_922 Originally posted by Vin79 Well as i se it, all the more reason to watch Star Trek online closely, at east there will be less magic and crap. And then Tabula Rasa might be ok...I'm really looking forward to ST:O, but damn is it far away! Still in pre-production. I even doubt they'll make alpha on 2006.
They don't even have a game engine. Their timing would have been stellar if they went gold, say... November?
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Someone say Shadowrun? Woot! By far one of the best p&p systems and settings out there. Ran a campaign for quite a few years and then went to play by post on macrayskeep.you know what. In the end, I lent the book to my nephew to show him just how good old school was and his dog chewed it up. Sniff.
I would give both of my arms for an mmorpg to be made of it. Though I am sure that the Johnson jokes would be a bit of a forum hassle.
Originally posted by Vin79 Microwave ovens, Television, Fusion, space walks, its all maagikk i tell you....
HEHE...but really. Phasers that disintegrate just the person they are aimed at? So no possible on so many levels. And beaming up a person from the planet below? So not gonna ever happen for so many reasons.
A little over a hundred years ago people thought it was impossible to fly. Nowdays nobody is impressed when they se an airplane.
Seriously though, the point is that they use technology, they dont mumble spells or use the powah to do stuff like that. And the setting is in the far future so there has to be some artistic fredom to imagein stuff.
Even Einstein belived timetrevelling could be possible...
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Yep. Very true. It is going to be a DC Comic based MMORPG. SOE knows SWG is dead, so they are using it as a test bed for their revamped game engine that will be used for their upcoing DC Comics based MMORPG. Even Smedly himself said as much in an interview recently on another website where he talks about some of the exciting new games SOE is working on.
To think swg is going to close soon is simply delusional. SWG is more fun then ever right now and frankly i beleive it will prosper more then ever before by the end of Q1 2006.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
Haha.
You made me laugh.
NGE Refugee.
Well, IMO the definition of fantasy is pretty subjective. I consider myself a hardcore, oldschool fantasy player. Fantasy for me is the Tolkien way, all those who respected the basics. That's why i don't call WoW fantasy. Airguitaring, headbanging undeads? Come on... Those things might be funny for those who didn't meet real fantasy before, but for me, that's horrific. Even the very good game mechanics can't make me play it.
On the other hand, i consider(ed before NGE) SWG a sci-fi RPG. All because it is in sci-fi settings. Also, SWG feels more realworld-like than any fantasy. And if you play in a world which is closer to your own, then your thinking while playing will be different too.
You are right about both work on the same principles. But you can say that about almost all MMO-s, where PvP is included. Good vs evil, classes/roles, xp/levelling up, etc. Also, the SWG was pretty close to conventional fantasy too (melee classes, CHs, Rangers, etc.). SWG could serve dozens of different playstyles w/o problem (melee/ranged figters, crafters, entertainers, healers, PvP/PvE, RPG, space shooter, etc.). Now it is gone, and the new ppl will never know what did they lose.
Tango
Tenshi - ex Master Defender, ubertank
Tenshu - Master CH - Master Bio-Engineer - Master Scout - Ranger --> dead
No offense, but you have never been a crafter, right?
Tango
Well, IMO the definition of fantasy is pretty subjective. I consider myself a hardcore, oldschool fantasy player. Fantasy for me is the Tolkien way, all those who respected the basics. That's why i don't call WoW fantasy. Airguitaring, headbanging undeads? Come on... Those things might be funny for those who didn't meet real fantasy before, but for me, that's horrific. Even the very good game mechanics can't make me play it.
On the other hand, i consider(ed before NGE) SWG a sci-fi RPG. All because it is in sci-fi settings. Also, SWG feels more realworld-like than any fantasy. And if you play in a world which is closer to your own, then your thinking while playing will be different too.
You are right about both work on the same principles. But you can say that about almost all MMO-s, where PvP is included. Good vs evil, classes/roles, xp/levelling up, etc. Also, the SWG was pretty close to conventional fantasy too (melee classes, CHs, Rangers, etc.). SWG could serve dozens of different playstyles w/o problem (melee/ranged figters, crafters, entertainers, healers, PvP/PvE, RPG, space shooter, etc.). Now it is gone, and the new ppl will never know what did they lose.
Tango
Tenshi - ex Master Defender, ubertank
Tenshu - Master CH - Master Bio-Engineer - Master Scout - Ranger --> dead
Yeah I was refering to the basic principles that set Fantasy and Sci-fi apart from the root literary or media sense. The two genres have melded these days and have several that span the gap. Take Star Trek...thats about half Sci-fi and half Fantasy. Real science fiction takes into account existing technologies, looks ahead at what could be and talks about a possible future for this reality. Thats the basic definition of science fiction. The Matrix is another good example of this, though I never did see the last one. Anything else starts crossing over into the realm of fantasy. Look too far ahead? Have technologies not based off anything existing or at least provable in theory? Then it becomes fantasy. Regardless of what is in the setting, such as cars, spaceships, or whatever.
Star Wars, nothing about their technology is based on anything remotely scientific, takes place in the past before our current time line on Earth. And has "the Force", which is another word for magic, that does not exist in our reality. The main and only storyline is a philosphical question about the point of view on good and evil. All these things scream fantasy. I mean make the rebellion and empire to fueding kingdoms, give them all magic gear and horses, boats, and whatever, in place of blasters, spaceships, etc. And its your standard hi-fantasy.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
Uhhhh...ha? I'm fairly sure most of the people on the SWG team have already begun beefing up their resume. They know this game is going down and all that is left now is for the "plug to be pulled" as it were. This game never should have made it out of Beta.
SWG is to the MMO market as Gigli is to the movie industry.
Middle management might be on the porch in the morning, some pr people but coders will get assigned to another project. They are the grunts, hand em a sheet with the code they are expected to have finished. It's really pretty boring stuff all in all.
On the fate of SWG, I liked it and NGE wasn't rotten, it was just a bad cop out. Smed head talked about long term and 7 years yet, if he had been thinking that far ahead, why was the game in such shape after 3? Either NGE was always part of the plan or someone is talking out of thier ass.
I dunno, I play something else now and gain nothing from NGE failing. IMO SWG is dead, it died at CU. Everything after that was just something ripping off its name. If D&L can come back, so can PreCU. Only in the hands of LAE though because nobody else can afford to carry the license and wotk inside the sub expactations MMO are limited to right now.
Tolkien was the master, and no other fantasy writer has come even close to matching the scope and depth of his work. However, I think the worst fantasy is the kind that tries to slavishly emulate Tolkien. It's an imaginative genre, so I dislike any attempts to straight-jacket the term with such limiting definitions. JRRT's work drew heavily on Germanic myths, but there's no reason why fantasy can't derive its inspiration from other sources. Personally, I'd like to see more fantasy games but without the endlessly recycled cliches. Saga of Ryzom is definitely a fantasy game and one that has that key ingredient of all good fantasy in abundance - imagination - without elves, dwarves and all the other tired elements. And SW is space fantasy, rather than sci-fi.
WRT WoW, I respect your opinion but you're missing out by not playing it. Headbanging undead might be anathema to po-faced fantasy purists, but WoW's humour helps to remind people that they're playing a game. You wouldn't think people would need to be reminded of this, but looking over some of the stuff that's been posted on the SWG boards over the last few weeks it's evident that they do.
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Everything born must die. All that is, will come to ruin. This is the essence of Doom. So sayeth the Doomsayer.
No argue there, i also wouldn't like a stagnant one-size-fits-all fantasy genre. There are tons of writers who added content to fantasy the good way. A good fantasy does not need elves, dwarves and other Tolkien achetypes.
I think Blizzard bent the fantasy the wrong way. It just won't fit for me. I'm no enemy of humor at all, but i think a fantasy can have humor w/o twisting the genre like WoW does. (I also don't like Shadowrun, but that's irrevelant here.)
Anyway, this is my problem only, if 4 million ppl likes it, then who am i to tell them they play a fake fantasy? I'm simply not compatible with WoW.
Tango
Ahh Tango.. man. You had me until you slighted Shadowrun.
Man, Shadowrun would make an AWESOME MMORPG.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Neocron **cough**
Anarchy Online ** cough**
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We have SR style MMORPGs for a long time already. Just call the orc and elves differently and call the mages nano-mages.
Heck, they are not even sure who OWNS the Shadowrun computer game license these days ?! For pen and paper its FanPro (a German corp) after FASA went belly up.
And every SR computer game s***ed big time so far.
Have fun
Erillion
I'd vote on Cyberpunk 2020 instead.
Tango
Give me Deckers, Street Shamans, Street mages, Street Samaurai...
I've never had more fun playing an RPG than Shadowrun. Well, maybe Paranoia, but that's because it was so loopy.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Shadowrun for the SNES was one of my faves. I played through it like 8 times.
Shadowrun would make an amazing MMORPG, but I want a big budget one.
Well as i se it, all the more reason to watch Star Trek online closely, at east there will be less magic and crap.
And then Tabula Rasa might be ok...
SOE knows what you like... You don't!
And don't forget... I am forcing you to read this!
They don't even have a game engine. Their timing would have been stellar if they went gold, say... November?
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
Someone say Shadowrun? Woot! By far one of the best p&p systems and settings out there. Ran a campaign for quite a few years and then went to play by post on macrayskeep.you know what. In the end, I lent the book to my nephew to show him just how good old school was and his dog chewed it up. Sniff.
I would give both of my arms for an mmorpg to be made of it. Though I am sure that the Johnson jokes would be a bit of a forum hassle.
Microwave ovens, Television, Fusion, space walks, its all maagikk i tell you....
A little over a hundred years ago people thought it was impossible to fly. Nowdays nobody is impressed when they se an airplane.
Seriously though, the point is that they use technology, they dont mumble spells or use the powah to do stuff like that. And the setting is in the far future so there has to be some artistic fredom to imagein stuff.
Even Einstein belived timetrevelling could be possible...