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(Divergence; Online) - Do you support a third indiegogo campaign? :POLL:
Tybost
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--- New - 1/19/2014 ---
I am in the process of getting this locked, the initial Open Post is what is most important for those who come across this thread in the future, and are interested in D;O and it's developers background. The reason I want the whole thread set to a (Read Only) is because of specific users in this thread, have been claiming that I spoke against ethan passionately because I feel backstabbed or robbed/blinded by Ethan. Some think I'm doing it just to humiliate and make him look bad in general to which I replied. This is not the case and never has been, which is why I call these posts 'Incorrect' 'misinformed' 'undereducated.' on the matter. They do not know me, or how I feel about D;O which is more passive than what people are twisting my thread into. Because of this, I am sorry for those who wish to continue discussion on the matter.
If anything, I have been given a taste of what ethan probably receives daily. Both in this thread and in personal messaging. I have become a little more sympthatic towards his current situation. The first post still has many facts, and well written and passionate time spent. Overall I have not followed D;O like many others have years and years down the line. I'm sorry that my other posts devauled and decomissioned my posts, and upset a couple to raise the false truth behind my 'Agenda.' If I did have an agenda, it would be to save those from donating to D;O. This thread still serves it's purpose on the main page, but some people just try to look for something more to fight.
I'm glad to have brought this discussion up, and do not ultimately regret bringing it up. It will prove helpful to those looking to dig into more information regarding Ethan and Divergence; Online.
Thanks again for those who remained on topic, and did not make it about me. If you still want to support ethans project, you know where to go. Most certainly not here! Haha.
I apologize to those who wish to continue on the discussion, It just reached an extreme both on here and private messaging.
- Woof!
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
--- Old Post 1/16/2014 ---
Let's not toss flak at the wrong person, I'm simply giving my opinion/2-coppers on the main developer and his project; divergence; online. The poll is the real reason we're here, as he shut down his thread regarding the matter. So I thought it would be fun to open my own on MMORPG.
--- Old Post 1/15/2014 ---
His crusade will be the end of him, he has his priority's misplaced. Does anyone else want divergence to happen, truly?
His dream may have been amazing eight years ago, but the times are unfavorable towards his idea, thus the reason he only received up to 500 backers on two campaigns. By the time D;O reaches a full-release, the sandbox trend will be nigh. I find his crusade admirable, but just overall foolish. It's just sad how he is taking other peoples hard earned money, and yet again going to be asking and hopefully not succeeding in taking more money for his Project Titanic!
magic eightball does not support this man, neither should you.
Next Stop! - Indiegogo! (Wish I were kidding, but this is real) A Third Campaign - Yet again asking for MORE money!
EthanC plans to launch a third crowd-funding campaign on Indiegogo to further support him and his team financially. A poll has taken place on the forums by Ethan himself, and apparently roughly 80% have voted in favor of creating a campaign, based on around 50 votes. If you want to have an opinion and vote on the matter, the entire thread was removed including the poll itself. Link to his responce post can be found here: http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=442
Recently, a well known moderator was forced to leave while other forum moderators are resigning for speaking out against EthanC. The community forum could be called a ghost zone, except for the new guy sam who was appointed to his position by EthanC recently. Those who are sticking around for updates are very disappointed with the progress of Divergence, with only a few developer blog posts created. EthanC (Creator of Divergence) is not sharing any information with his Kickstarter, and Indiegogo supporters. Leaving them in the dust.
The community is becoming quite restless, and are demanding updates. If only that were the case- fact of the situation is that many are giving up on Divergence, and seem to be desiring to jump ship. EthanC wants to open another Crowdfunding campaign to further support him and his team. One might ask if Ethan is in his right mind, or maybe he went insane under pressure to deliver the promises he made on his Kickstarter/Indiegogo, and wishes to further deepen the hole he is digging his reputation into. Link to Outrage for closure of poll/thread for voting on third crowdfunding campaign: http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=441
*Post Highlights*
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Fact 1) Ethan had certain people donate to pass the 10k threshold to successfully take funding from his campaigns!
Fact 2) Ethan has yet to send out all of the rewards from his previous campaigns!
Fact 3)Ethan is asking for money again!
Thoughts on his idea for a third crowdfunding campaign?
Just for fun- I'll open up a poll on here to garner votes to see what you WOULD have voted if you had a chance to. (Since he took the forum thread down in under 24/Hours.)
Comments
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
Well at least he's getting bolder by doing 3 crowd funding campaigns the third time around. But damn if it doesn't seem odd being so close together. Having already two of them go by promising deliverables that never came.
Ethan needs to learn how the real world works. You keep taking people's money, ignore them, piss on them, call them a bunch of whiny bitches, then your going to get burned.
Remember kids, that Nigerian prince is not your long lost relative nor is he even a prince.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Divergence; Online simply does not have the audience to support it, he should of gotten that message on the first campaign. Ethan has had two campaigns, both of which only made it past threshold; by pushing his own campaign to pass the line with loans, which should not be allowed.
He shouldn't be allowed to host another campaign, after all he does not care for those who do donate towards his campaign. The only news you will receive is negativity, and only a tiny bit of information handed out every three or so months. This man cannot handle money, thus nobody should be giving him any.
Unfortunately- those who were unaware of such a project will of course donate towards it, only to be kicked to the curb with little to zero development updates/roadmap of future updates. Ethan will keep you in the dark, the money you give to him isn't going to the project, it's going into his wallet to keep the lights on, and paying his bills.
Shame on him, he does not deserve a nickle from anybody!
His posts are disrespectful and very unprofessional and he comes off as downright amateur.
Lets take a look back in 2013 shall we? Remember that toliet comment?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/393826/page/1
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
It’s very disappointing Stainglass Llama Studios, Divergence Online are given an opportunity to milk/scam the good thing that is crowd funding. Multiple campaigns and still yet to deliver anything but verbal abuse and a never ending array of pathetic excuses.
Feydikan sums up Divergence Online development.
"OMG working so hard..pant pant... need sleep... pant pant.... and money... pant pant....keep faith"
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
i rarely post negative things about devs.....
i somewhat defended Ethan's voice/attitude when a lot of people were saying that they got very bad impressions of the guy.
then i saw him and one of his alt accounts making assinine and insulting posts to people on the massively.com forum.
proving that those people had guessed his character correctly.
supporting this..... guy is a very bad investment, and supports the kind of people we don't need in this world.
and with a name like Divergence you'd think the guy would..... you know.... actually DIVERGE a bit with his game design.
nope! all the cliches in the MMO rulebook.
and yet he actually thinks he has something unique and special in his mind.
not at all. and "in his mind" is likely where everything will stay. typical unrealistic pipe dream marketing speeches.
he should rename his fantasy project to "By The Numbers Online"
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I support this guy- I support the hell out him!!!!
I started reading that 'red light' thread last night where all this came up, I followed the link to the DO forum. I didnt sleep. I became so engrossed in reading the entire saga that I didnt sleep. This guy is something else.
There is so much I want to say- But I am holding off for the moment. I will say this a prime example of everything wrong with crowdfunding.
Why do I support him, then? For the lulz...For the lulz. Entertainment like this just should not come free. I am glad someone else paid their money for this entertainment and I hope someone continues to pay so the entertainment level will increase to historic proportions.
My dream is to see Eathan and Jason Appleton (from greed monger) team up to pitch the next vaporware scam. They would be the "dream team" of lulz.
The campaigns in the past have been for very small amonut of cash..
Now if you want him to be able to bring in more devs full time and get more updates out then he will clearly need more money.. infact I even remember him saying that he was going to do numerous small campaigns to help fund the game instead of doing just one huge one..
Now you dont have to donate again if you have already done so, I am not I gave a bit of cash in the very first campaign and i will leave it as that.
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
sure the guy should have handled that post a bit better.. bt he does have a good point.. there have been companies that have got a lot more from campaigns and then still ran another one as well... the repopulation is a good one to point out there..
You dont have people crying abut that..
At the end of the day it seems like he is putting everything he has into this and thats why i had no issue giving a little bit of cash in the first campaign.. i wont give again myself but I have no issues with him running other campaigns to get more funding.
I like the idea he has for this but I also know its basically just one guy and a few temps working on it so I am under no illusions that i will be getting weekly patches or updates or that the game will be finished any time soon.
The Repopulation is one of those rare types of gems, that actually deserves a secondary crowdfunding campaign. Including the fact that is supported by many and not just the few. It is currently being supported by big names like Kotaku, IGN, MMORPG, Massively, Rockpapershotgun. Has went through the proper channels and displayed it's product and have won over the crowd. While Divergence; Online is the polar opposite, and has went nowhere in the past eight years of development inferno.
Remember that toliet comment he made on MMORPG in 2013? He will never receive backing and support by MMORPG. He has made to many enemies, and too few friends. I will however take a step back and agree that it seems like he is seemingly putting his all into his D;O and for keeping it going this long is admirable. Ultimately he took money from people and stepped into the big shoes, and now people expect him to act professional and deliver on the promises he promised.
Everything in this post below, are his current backers. (Ill skip to page 3) but overall it's a good read, and show's you what support his project has, versus The Repopulation. http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=441
I do not have an agenda/crusade/vendetta against Ethan J. Casner - I apologize to anyone to assumes that, but it is simply not the case. Please refrain from making incorrect posts claiming that I do have one against him.
Please keep on topic, thanks!
Additional post: posted here with more information: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/402980/page/3
Yeah I don't have much faith in this game ever getting made but couldn't help thinking the same thing "reading" all this.
I honestly worry for Ethan... Why is he trying to develop this game so much if he foreclosed on his house? Shouldn't he be trying to find a better job... How did he foreclose on his house with the $30,000 he made off the Indiegogo plus Kickstarter? Is he a drug addict or alcoholic who maybe happens to be proficient enough at coding to trick people into donating money to further his own bad habits?
I just don't understand, unless he is living in freaking Washington D.C. than he shouldn't be having the problems he is saying he is having. He is either lying or has some series problems.
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I don't see my posts as trying to humiliate him, more to just raise awareness about his poor decisions, including how he has really done nothing but complain over and over again. He does have a crusade, and that's to take peoples money.
You may see it as an unnecessary aggression towards him, with his current situation is nothing but his own fault. He has mismanaged the money that was trusted to him. Do you understand? Don't try to make this about me making fun of him in any way, this is about the decisions he has made previously. He has made enemies on MMORPG with previous posts, and on many other sites as well.
Do you support this man, or do you have nothing to add to the discussion?
His crusade is admirable, he has kept things going for eight years. But when he started up two campaigns and took peoples money, in this link is what you get. http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=441 and I understand with my title change, it comes off as aggression. But ultimately the meaning behind the post is does ethan deserve a third campaign, do you support such a campaign?
His previous backers are even threatening to SUE him, and the outrage is in that post, and its just a hellaofva good read.
Please get educated on the topic at hand, and then come back and make a decent post that is worth reading. before making posts like that, the title is meant to seem aggressive on purpose. *a bit of a view snagger, admittably.* I mean no true aggression towards him as a being. Sorry you felt that way, I really didn't mean to come off that way. But I will admit I had spent some passionate time writing everything up. I'm not taking a single word back, because it is all true. some very good facts in here as well.
Again you seem to have nothing to add to the discussion, please take a vacation for the time being while reading up on what has been going on, and how the current backers are feeling about the situation at hand.
You don't seem to have an opinion on the matter, do you?
I'm not trying to publicly humiliate Ethan J. Caster, just trying to bring up the current hot topic discussions that are currently going on the main divergence online forums. Including how he removed his poll, and the reactions of his donators.
Do you not have an opinion on the matter, or are you just going to leave feeling like that? Failures in the game industy would also be an entertaining read in the future, but we're not at that point. Nobody has failed just yet, but his impending doom on his current crusade won't end well.
Mark it down.
I don't support any kickstarter, but I don't support people going on smear campaigns when they haven't actually done anything wrong yet. And I mean failed to deliver the game and just given up.
If people want to give him money they should know the risks. If he's honestly just over his head then he and the backers are probably going to learn a hard lesson. If this was his second game and he failed on his first, they I'd say go for it by all means, warn everyone.
I don't however believe he's out to take people for their money, so what you're doing just seems wrong and will probably only make it harder for him to get the people who have already paid money, the game they paid for. So what you're doing to all of them...is pretty shitty as well.
Edit: Deciding to re-take my aggressive stance, idiots will hopefully be ignored. These posts are only meant to be informative to those who are unaware of the current situation. LULZZZ
Title has been changed to a less aggressive stance, disincluding the main developer's name. I would never try to humiliate a developer for his creation (on purpose) or promote it knowingly anywhere.
However the words iv made in this thread will remain, as I stand behind all of them. If anyone has anything else to contribute then I would love to read on what you think about (D;O).
Isn't this his 9th attempt? This game has had a shady 8 year history... I'd really think through before donating even $1 dollar of my money to such a game.
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Well following your opening post making claims that he is a drug addict or alcoholic based off opinions and nothing of merit allows me to instantly discredit anything you say. We should not spend our time bashing others; You said shouldn't he spend his time trying to find a better job? That's what the guy seems to be doing! He wants to make video games! So please move forward more open to the struggles of others; maybe you had a cush life but not everyone is an addict who struggles... some people are simply poor.
People said he made over 24000$ dollars... seems like a lot right... Didn't Swtor cost 100 million and Rift 50 million? Sure doesn't seem like a lot compared to those figures.
I disagree. I believe we should raise awareness about him and his project, if one post changes someones mind from donating $100 towards him. I would say my thread and many others serve a very good and just purpose. Nobody can tell anyone what to do with the money that they have earned, but that does not mean we cannot guide those in the right direction. Into making the correct decision to not support him and as I like to say 'crusade' but what I really mean is his undying passion to make sure Divergence; Online happens no matter what. Regardless of the hate, and the horrible things people say about him. (me included)
He stepped into a whole new area, when he started to take peoples money. I cannot breathe proof into the fact that he is out to take peoples money. The only fact that I can give is that he has taken peoples money. approx. $15,000 or so with two crowdfunding campaigns, and that he is planning a third campaign because he is out of money. What happened to the $15,000? why does this man need more than one (two) campaigns?
Nothing iv said is wrong, and the people who have donated to him are starting to feel the same way that I am feeling, and others are feeling in this post. He isn't updating them on the progress of D;O, he is INCOGNITO and his 498 backers (Kickstarter, Indiegogo) are upset at the lack of updates anywhere. They have every right to be upset. Will my thread cease the development of (D;O) or delay it? I don't really think so, unless he complains about my post. Which would be legendary, since I'm not a supporter of him, and my opinion of the title, and him is just what it is. an opinion.
I believe helping others avoid hitting the same point that these following donators are currently feeling. It's the least we can do. http://www.divergence-online.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=441