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Can we have EARLY ACCESS or paid beta?

fistormfistorm Member UncommonPosts: 868
in Elder Scrolls Online

So I was thinking today while being bored.   

 

Wouldn't it be great if we could play right now by having PAID beta? 

Or if that doesn't happen maybe...

1 month or more of Early Access with preorder.  

 

I see many MMORPG's starting to use beta and early access to their advantage.  EQ next is selling their beta, while you have games like Neverwinter who never left beta and you got a lot of games who give early access for a few days to a week with preorders.   What do you guys think ESO should do as far as Early Access or Paid beta?

 

 

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  • Skeeter50Skeeter50 Member UncommonPosts: 147
    I trust the devs and their decisions.
  • SonicBorgSonicBorg Member Posts: 8
    Originally posted by fistorm

    So I was thinking today while being bored.    

    Wouldn't it be great if we could play right now by having PAID beta? 

    Or if that doesn't happen maybe...

    1 month or more of Early Access with preorder.  

     

    I see many MMORPG's starting to use beta and early access to their advantage.  EQ next is selling their beta, while you have games like Neverwinter who never left beta and you got a lot of games who give early access for a few days to a week with preorders.   What do you guys think ESO should do as far as Early Access or Paid beta?

     

     

    "Wouldn't it be great if we could play right now by having PAID beta? "

    I'm not sure you've really thought this through before you posted. Release now with 'paid beta' sounds just like 'release the game now with digital download!' 

    "Or if that doesn't happen maybe..."

    And it won't happen.

    "1 month or more of Early Access with preorder. "

    Why do you need 1 month head start over players who do not pre-order? I bet you're a Dick Dastardly type of player. (don't know who that is? look up wacky racers)

     

    EQ Next marketing scheme was put there to make you feel special. and Beta was already being used by EVERY MMO to their advantages.

    Just wait, you know the release date is 4/4/2014, find something useful to do between now and then to keep your mind occupied.

  • lunatiquezlunatiquez Member UncommonPosts: 381

    i'm sure there will be early access

    but it'll be no more than a week, 3 days before launch i presume

  • TheSedatedTheSedated Member Posts: 82

    I'm okay with early access, even if I think a month is too much. But it's a good way to reduce load on login servers and starter zones when done in waves. But I don't think paid beta access is such a good idea. It's because I can imagine the shitstorm when paid beta testers (and on titles which are highly awaited there will be a lot) see the game in a state where it's probably a total bugfest. Look at late open beta weekends of other games, where there is no NDA... ouch. It's an easy way for a developer to shoot an arrow to their own knee (pun intended).

     

    And that's not everything. Most games delete the characters created during beta, because there are bugs and exploits and beta players are encouraged to find these bugs and exploits and even reproduce them. This leads to characters which possibly have unintended advantages unreachable by post-beta characters. But that's not even the smallest problem. Exploited characters can have corrupted database entries which can lead to serious problems later on and that's not limited to these characters alone, characters with corrupted database entries can spread these corruptions to other characters and the game database itself by interacting with them and the game. Even if beta tests in later stages should have got rid of bugs and exploits like this, there's still a chance for this to occur and especially later stages with large amounts of players are used to get rid of these things. Now imagine the shitstorm it would cause when beta testers, who paid for the beta, get their characters deleted or even worse, there is a rollback half a year after launch because corrupted player characters have spread and are destroying the database... Don't think people will accept that their characters get deleted after paid beta, it will create a shitstorm. Nope, every time just before release, the beta forums are filled with threads begging to keep the beta characters.

     

    If EQ:N really does this, I mean selling beta entry, then it won't take too long until you can smell the first scent of shitstorm coming. Hell, even if they say "Preorder now and get guaranteed beta access on top!" instead of "Hey, give us $xx and you're in beta!", there will be a shitstorm. It happened on several earlier game releases and EQ:N won't be an exception.

  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636

    I'm fine waiting for open beta to play.  Getting my first impressions on a more polished version is probably for the best.

     

    Paid beta... is just so... Neverwinter...

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,943

    I put neither.

    I never liked the idea of "paid beta" because all it really ever amounts to are people just wanting "early access". Not really much of a beta.

    As far as "early access" I can understand the fun in that but at the same time  think the developers should allow "access" when the game is ready.

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  • baphametbaphamet Member RarePosts: 3,311

    a week of early access at most. IMO

  • GardavsshadeGardavsshade Member UncommonPosts: 907

    Early Access?

    Paid Beta ?!? O.o

    Proper decorum forbids me from expressing my true sentiments on this matter.

  • superconductingsuperconducting Member UncommonPosts: 871

    If they care anything about their product, selling beta access early just to make an easy buck would not be the way to show it.

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  • reeereeereeereee Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    We're also way to late in the process to be selling beta access since so many people already got in for free.  Usually selling beta access is aimed more at the getting into the first round of closed beta *points at Neverwinter and EQN*  Although EQN is actually trying to sell alpha access as well... which seems odd... maybe in a few years people will nostalgically talk about when alpha used to be alpha like they do about beta now.
  • DAS1337DAS1337 Member UncommonPosts: 2,610

    Typically...

     

    You'll see a week of open beta, if you're lucky..

     

    And you'll get three days of early access, provided that you pre-order a collectors edition of some sort.

  • lunatiquezlunatiquez Member UncommonPosts: 381
    Originally posted by DAS1337

    Typically...

     

    You'll see a week of open beta, if you're lucky..

     

    And you'll get three days of early access, provided that you pre-order a collectors edition of some sort.

    indeed

    this is the most common scenario of most (maybe every) P2P AAA titles at launch

    i don't think ESO will be different

  • PrecursorPrecursor Member UncommonPosts: 150
    The more cynical side of me says that we'll all be paying for beta after its release and probably well after it.
  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,943
    It really makes me sad how quick people are willing to throw their money away on things that are not finished.. which ultimately history has repeatedly shown once your money is in their pocket.. they don't have much of an interest in delivering on promises.
  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    It's not that kind of company nor is it that kind of game.

    ESO is fully self-funded and self-published by a wealthy developer that doesn't need to answer to some other third party nor do they have a need to start getting boatloads of cash prior to release.

     

    I get that you're suffering withdrawal after the last beta weekend--you're not the only one. So I take your wish to pay for beta or have a 1 month early access (a.k.a. "soft launch") with a grain of salt for what it's worth.

     

    But paid betas and long "early access" smack of a need to generate revenues to stay in the black and a deceitful half-assed way to launch (Neverwinter) with more bugs and less finished features than normal... neither is going to happen here

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  • AcidonAcidon Member UncommonPosts: 796

    I want to play, too.   But let's not ask for the crap that publishers and/or devs have been pulling lately with the paid beta crap.  Early Access, sure, but certainly not an entire month!  

    I am excited to play, but in the meantime I am burning time in things like Defiance, APB and TSW.  It's plenty to keep me sated until ESO drops.

  • oubersoubers Member UncommonPosts: 855

    @ the OP: I bet you are the first to ask for your money back once the beta gets boring to you right?

    Its people like you that make these company's greedy........they are just doing their thing and you waving money in from of their nose just because you are bored......get a second hobby or play with your GF (bet she hasnt had some in a while :p )

     

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  • oubersoubers Member UncommonPosts: 855
    Originally posted by Iselin

    It's not that kind of company nor is it that kind of game.

    ESO is fully self-funded and self-published by a wealthy developer that doesn't need to answer to some other third party nor do they have a need to start getting boatloads of cash prior to release.

     

    I get that you're suffering withdrawal after the last beta weekend--you're not the only one. So I take your wish to pay for beta or have a 1 month early access (a.k.a. "soft launch") with a grain of salt for what it's worth.

     

    But paid betas and long "early access" smack of a need to generate revenues to stay in the black and a deceitful half-assed way to launch (Neverwinter) with more bugs and less finished features than normal... neither is going to happen here

    yeah sure, they made this just for fun and they don't do it for the money at all.......hehe

     

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  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by Iselin

    It's not that kind of company nor is it that kind of game.

    ESO is fully self-funded and self-published by a wealthy developer that doesn't need to answer to some other third party nor do they have a need to start getting boatloads of cash prior to release.

     

    I get that you're suffering withdrawal after the last beta weekend--you're not the only one. So I take your wish to pay for beta or have a 1 month early access (a.k.a. "soft launch") with a grain of salt for what it's worth.

     

    But paid betas and long "early access" smack of a need to generate revenues to stay in the black and a deceitful half-assed way to launch (Neverwinter) with more bugs and less finished features than normal... neither is going to happen here

    yeah sure, they made this just for fun and they don't do it for the money at all.......hehe

     

    Oh no, they definitely want your money. They just don't desperately need it like some other MMO developers do nor do they have EA forcing them to do it to make this quarter look good for the stockholders.

     

    Zenimax/Bethesda is one of the rare success stories that has remained independent. 

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  • Eol-Eol- Member UncommonPosts: 274
    I am not sure that the revenues from early access would be enough to warrant the time and trouble on their part. Besides, they are only like 10 weeks from release, so that ship has already left port.

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  • ElandrialElandrial Member UncommonPosts: 179

    you always pay to play 'beta' there is NO beta testing anymore,none zilch,they release it and you buy the game than they find the bugs.the beta is a joke and has been for years.i remember beta testing a game,we told them over and over the bugs,they denied them than they released it,and with in a week they announced a patch to fix what we told was the problem,you think they will rewrite a damn thing till its out on the market.

    even the consoles,like xbox they KNEW it was faulty,but to fix they have to delay the selling,than they denied it was faulty finally they gave a 3 year warranty. a week after eso is out you will have a massive patch,of the bugs they get reported.

    i also refuse to buy a game i cannot tryout first.i beta tested ffxiv and bought it,i no longer put money into games because of hype.which is all i can see of eso,hype.oh i got an email about a video of the game,woooo that tells me a lot.

  • ElandrialElandrial Member UncommonPosts: 179
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by Iselin

    It's not that kind of company nor is it that kind of game.

    ESO is fully self-funded and self-published by a wealthy developer that doesn't need to answer to some other third party nor do they have a need to start getting boatloads of cash prior to release.

     

    I get that you're suffering withdrawal after the last beta weekend--you're not the only one. So I take your wish to pay for beta or have a 1 month early access (a.k.a. "soft launch") with a grain of salt for what it's worth.

     

    But paid betas and long "early access" smack of a need to generate revenues to stay in the black and a deceitful half-assed way to launch (Neverwinter) with more bugs and less finished features than normal... neither is going to happen here

    yeah sure, they made this just for fun and they don't do it for the money at all.......hehe

     

    Oh no, they definitely want your money. They just don't desperately need it like some other MMO developers do nor do they have EA forcing them to do it to make this quarter look good for the stockholders.

     

    Zenimax/Bethesda is one of the rare success stories that has remained independent. 

    yes so independent that in skyrim  they screwed the ps3 buyers,by not releasing the add-ons for months,than came up with lame excuse that it was 'difficult' to write the add-ons for the ps3.(but not the game).by the way soe found a way to have the ps3 and pc play on same servers.not have servers for pc,xbox and ps.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719
    Originally posted by Elandrial
    Originally posted by Iselin
    Originally posted by oubers
    Originally posted by Iselin

    It's not that kind of company nor is it that kind of game.

    ESO is fully self-funded and self-published by a wealthy developer that doesn't need to answer to some other third party nor do they have a need to start getting boatloads of cash prior to release.

     

    I get that you're suffering withdrawal after the last beta weekend--you're not the only one. So I take your wish to pay for beta or have a 1 month early access (a.k.a. "soft launch") with a grain of salt for what it's worth.

     

    But paid betas and long "early access" smack of a need to generate revenues to stay in the black and a deceitful half-assed way to launch (Neverwinter) with more bugs and less finished features than normal... neither is going to happen here

    yeah sure, they made this just for fun and they don't do it for the money at all.......hehe

     

    Oh no, they definitely want your money. They just don't desperately need it like some other MMO developers do nor do they have EA forcing them to do it to make this quarter look good for the stockholders.

     

    Zenimax/Bethesda is one of the rare success stories that has remained independent. 

    yes so independent that in skyrim  they screwed the ps3 buyers,by not releasing the add-ons for months,than came up with lame excuse that it was 'difficult' to write the add-ons for the ps3.(but not the game).by the way soe found a way to have the ps3 and pc play on same servers.not have servers for pc,xbox and ps.

    Huh?

     

    ...and... what soe game you talking about?

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  • CromicaCromica Member UncommonPosts: 657
    A paid beta no... Preorder beta wouldn't surprise me in the slightest so they can get as much money as possible. Because after release IMO things will not go so well for ESO.
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