Before the announcement we could only play race based on faction.. no problem so far.. now people who pre-order can play any race with any faction and it's the end of the world ??? !!!
If you can afford the price then go for it !! if you cannot just stick on your initial race/faction and ignore the offer.
They even said tha people will be able to "buy" the race after April 4th but they're still not sure about the price...
So stop crying and complaining, take a decision about what you accept to buy and move on !
Before the announcement we could only play race based on faction.. no problem so far.. now people who pre-order can play any race with any faction and it's the end of the world ??? !!!
If you can afford the price then go for it !! if you cannot just stick on your initial race/faction and ignore the offer.
They even said tha people will be able to "buy" the race after April 4th but they're still not sure about the price...
So stop crying and complaining, take a decision about what you accept to buy and move on !
I don't think the real problem here is about money (or even about the game itself) but where the industry is heading. For some people is just unacceptable. No need to scream "get a life"... there are valid points on both sides
So I take it from the amount of butthurt, that if Imperials weren't a preorder bonus and standard in the game, That the entire game would be in fact, nothing but imperials.
Cause this amount of butthurt over a race that most of you won't play anyway is pretty hilarious.
face it, its doesnt change the fact that they are selling races in a P2P game.
i had this experiences with FF14 where they quick grab your money and then remake the game, call its NEW game and want you to buy it again.
i'll hold off to buy EOS for some month and see how thing go.
What are you talking about? FFXIV didnt make you buy any game again. They made it F2P without a single cash shop item for about a year, all the while improving the game, before they started charging the sub again. Then rereleased the game and those that had bought the original got the remake free, including any and all CE items. And they sure as hell didnt say "Buy the CE and you can play as "
Say what you want about the game and/or its customer service ... theyre the one company who hasnt tried conning its MMO fans/players.
I think it's more of a vanity item than a race. Like a buff you can cast to make your character look like an imperial for a set amount of time. Pure speculation, but it looks like it even has fixed armor that probably can't be modified. Personally I can't get worked up over vanity stuff, I couldn't care less. Even if it is a race, I'll be playing as an orc, nord and argonian before I would even consider an imperial.
Anyway, it's fun to read the all the drama it caused.
I am truly astonished how naive and illusional some people are even when faced with straight facts
If it was a vanity item it would say so - it clearly states play as an IMPERIAL for any faction, not anything like have acces to all faction with imperial armor/look/etc
After so many disillusions that happened in MMOs over the years, one would expect less dreamy thoughts in peoples heads
It IS a race, it fits because it was missing, it fits its characteristic and it fits the cash hungry publishers, deal with it
I for one wish the best for ESO, I didnt like it at first but devs seem to change as much as they can to please players, apart from SWTOR, but if they wont allow people to play imperial for free, thy will lose huge amount of players, not because of the costs, but because of principles - you just DONT do this in whats supposed to be AAA P2P,60$ initial cost game - its a marketing suicide imo
Happy to add amusement to your life, sounds like you need it.
To be honest I just don't care either way, if it's a full race or a vanity item. As I said, I have little interest in paying a few bucks extra for just another human race (I already have 3 to choose from). Also, keep in mind that the digital Imperial Edition (with a full month of game time included) is 80$. If you subtract the first month, it's 65$. 65$ isn't that bad. Any new AAA shooter is 60$ in comparison, for a standard edition.
The only thing I'm slightly disappointed by (now that the official info has been released), is that they decided to make all races available for all 3 alliances.
The only thing I'm slightly disappointed by (now that the official info has been released), is that they decided to make all races available for all 3 alliances.
I don't agree with the people trying to claim removing race lock violates lore or will somehow ruin the PvP experience, but I do agree that it is disappointing. I think it makes choices more meaningful when there are more restrictions.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
The only thing I'm slightly disappointed by (now that the official info has been released), is that they decided to make all races available for all 3 alliances.
I don't agree with the people trying to claim removing race lock violates lore or will somehow ruin the PvP experience, but I do agree that it is disappointing. I think it makes choices more meaningful when there are more restrictions.
The reason I'm a little disappointed is that it could hurt the sense of realm pride and as you say, locking it would make the alliance/race choice more meaningful. When I played Dark Age of Camelot, races were locked to realms and we made a lot of fun of the other realm's races (well, mainly firbolgs and lurikeens, but still...), and it added a lot to our sense of realm pride.
It's not a HUGE deal to me, I'll still be playing the game, but killing a fellow orc will feel weird. But then again, I've done so hundreds of times in Skyrim...
I think it is nice that for once a digital CE of a mainstream MMO has something thats not completely useless after the first day. (Hello GW2, TSW, Rift, Tera)
The first post in this disaster of a thread that finally has facts. Can't believe I made it through 10 pages and nobody bothered to even check that the OP was factual in his statements. The Imperial option is NOT a CE perk. You get that with any PRE-ORDER. If you want to rage and throw a fit about the option only going to pre-orders then it's a valid complaint but at least throw a fit about accurate information.
Imperial IS CE.
The Explorer pack (any pre-order) allows any of the 9 races to be used in any of the 3 factions.
That is not CE. It's the Imperial version. The CE would be the boxed version with you know..the collector's items in it like the figurine and maps and stuff. I guess there is a distinction between standard and Imperial but in any event you don't have to buy the CE version.
The Imperial edition is the CE. You get 2 versions, one digital, one physical. The digital being cheaper and not having the physical components. The physical version is still called Imperial Edition.
The terminology they are using is a bit weird and confusing but I don't think you can have a "collector's edition" without actual collector's items. The retail imperial version (boxed set) is more in line with a typical CE version. The digital imperial version is more in line with a digital deluxe (download only) version which is usually in between the base and CE versions of the game. I guess it all comes down to semantics or interpretation.
The reason I'm a little disappointed is that it could hurt the sense of realm pride and as you say, locking it would make the alliance/race choice more meaningful. When I played Dark Age of Camelot, races were locked to realms and we made a lot of fun of the other realm's races (well, mainly firbolgs and lurikeens, but still...), and it added a lot to our sense of realm pride.
It's not a HUGE deal to me, I'll still be playing the game, but killing a fellow orc will feel weird. But then again, I've done so hundreds of times in Skyrim...
Yeah, if we're being fair, they've never done a very good job on working the player's race into the narrative in any Elder Scrolls game, it won't be a departure that they failed to do so here.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Firstly i think people are going way over the top with their rage about this CE/Proder pack.
In the world of elders scrolls anyone who is a fan will realize that no race should be faction locked, that's not how any of the single player games play, if i want to play a Nord and kill Nords i can... Skyrim.
People who are raging over the play any race on any faction don't seem to realize that this is very good, my ONLY issue with the game was i wanted to play Breton and my friend Nord, and that meant we could not play together unless i was forced or he was forced to play something we did not want, is that a good game? no it is not so thank you Zenimax for allowing me and my friends to all play together no matter what race we each decide to pick.
For all those worrying and raging that it’s a preorder, you do realize you can preorder the game on amazon/game.co.uk right now for FREE get the preorder code, add it to your account unlock all this content and then cancel your preorder so then you will always have the unlocks? So don’t claim poverty or time limited because ALL have the chance to do this right now regardless of when you decide to buy the game.
Imperials
IMO this was always the plan, it was the only race not in the game due to the 3/3/3 faction race and i think they had this plan all along but kept it a secret a) for CE and b) to build gratitude and hype for people wanting to play an imperial and as any faction as a neutral race.
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I myself will be playing an imperial as i think they look amazing and this also means people who lets say want to play certain factions can always play a human race no matter what faction they want to pick.
I don't get how people claim to love and support the elder scrolls series and them blatantly spit in the face of the devs who brought us this amazing game, if you don't like it don’t but it, I’m not forcing you to buy it, they are not forcing you to buy it. do NOT buy this game and then complain about issues and slag them off, its like someone buying mass effect and then saying then skip all quests and hate story, its just silly.
I have preorder physical CE and can't wait for this game to come out, i hope it does very well and the community grows strong.
Originally posted by Otakun Originally posted by ElikalHonestly? No. Not really. I mean, an Imperial is just another human, so I don't see that as so special. When someone wants to be that for another 150 bucks, good for him. If it were some cool looking unique race, I may have been angered, but an Imperial? Another norm human?*shrug*
Cause they could have way more powerful racial abilities then the other humans. Just sayin'.
yeah And they could consume their enemies with fireballs from their eyes, and bolts of lightning from their arse.
Sad but true. A lot of games our making us pay extra for stuff that is a major part of the game. I remember when Mass Effect 3 added the DLC with the Prothean character. A major character who many felt should have been included originally in the game. There was also the talk of DLC content already being in the game from the start and that it was just made unlockable for extra money.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
Sad but true. A lot of games our making us pay extra for stuff that is a major part of the game. I remember when Mass Effect 3 added the DLC with the Prothean character. A major character who many felt should have been included originally in the game. There was also the talk of DLC content already being in the game from the start and that it was just made unlockable for extra money.
1 race is not a major part of the game though is it, they want people to buy CE and giving something good is better than something crap like GW2 or SWTOR. you will not die if you do not buy IE for an extra £20, and pre ordering is free and you can just pre order get the code and cancel your pre order and whalla you have the race crossover unlocked, are people that ignorant? they did not think about doing that?
I think people are just raging for the sake of it, want the race pay for it, simple. people sub to WOW for years and then an expansion come sout, they buy it, for the new zones and class and race, do people moan about that? so ESO charging for Imperial race is no different than wow charging for worgen, goblin, draenei, blood elf, padaren.
Just wondering if people get upset or outraged by a video game I wonder how they will act when it's actually something meaingfull in life and they get upset or outraged. Unless games are the ony meaningfull thing some people might have in life.
I really don't get why people get upset by the pre-orders. If I would really want that race/bonus/advantage I simply buy the pre-order. But in all fairness it doesn't effect me. There still will be a majority that didn't pre-order and besides that I think pre-order players can turn out to be guildleaders, helpers, the ones that might spot certain bugs/issue's before I might be at their level.
In fact I am far more worried by F2P games that are sandbox. EQL/N are allot lower on my wish list because of that.
Also with this pre-order you actually seem able to see who pre-ordered. With F2P games you never know.
Overall just find it silly how people can get outraged by someting you actually have a choice in in getting or no getting.
Think some people forget that this is a entertainment genre and not something that should be that important to be outraged over.
I think it clear that the people who hate the game are just pouncing on this detail to bash the game. It's still just wild speculation as to how this will all play out. We don't know all the details.
What we know:
-pre-order with the 20 dollar Imperial addon will entitle you to the Imperial race options
-it's been stated that the option will be available for purchase after release
What we don't know:
-will there be an in-game option to gain access to the Imperial race options?
If there will be a way to get access to this by some quest or maybe after completing some/all of the faction content then all this wailing and gnashing of teeth is for nothing. If there are no plans to give an in-game option I would have to agree that it's a bit over the line with respect to being a sub game. A sub game should give access to all the content and I would consider race options as 'content' not 'fluff' or 'cosmetic'.
Either way I don't think it's nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. If the CE didn't have anything worthwhile many of the same people would be flaming them for ripping people off with a CE that sucks.
Selling exclusive races, especially ones that were prominent in the SPG games (you know, with the ES fans?) is not a good idea.
Yet despite it all, it falls right in line with everything else they have done, which is make a game not for TES fans, but for DaoC fans..........and now all is not rosey on the DaoC fanboy front either. That's what happens when you try to be everything for everyone. Should have either made a TES MMO, or remade DaoC and not try to do both as they are polar opposites.
This wasn't the beginning and it wont be the end of their trying to please everyone. Cant WAIT to see what is next!
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
i understand people not liking things in games but atleast i understand there will never ever be a game that has the exact details and mechanics i want. In any way. If i find a game that i like 80% of it then that is great because developers dont make games exactly for me or make payment models exactly for me. I dont like that a race can join any alliance now but i understand why they did it. But i am not going to come on here go crazy complaining like my life is over because of it. I will still buy the game, enjoy, and sub to it. Understand that there will never ever be a game that has all the features you like and problem will never ever be a game that hits 90% of it.
Just relax and enjoy it for what it is, it entertainment from a video game. You dont have to analyze every single detail like you work for NASA and building a spaceship. And people here are analyzing every little detail that comes out. Not even talking about just the CE but everything.
FYI, just using percentages as example because i know somebody on here will ask me to prove it lol.
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Good God stop complaining and get a life !!!
Before the announcement we could only play race based on faction.. no problem so far.. now people who pre-order can play any race with any faction and it's the end of the world ??? !!!
If you can afford the price then go for it !! if you cannot just stick on your initial race/faction and ignore the offer.
They even said tha people will be able to "buy" the race after April 4th but they're still not sure about the price...
So stop crying and complaining, take a decision about what you accept to buy and move on !
I don't think the real problem here is about money (or even about the game itself) but where the industry is heading. For some people is just unacceptable. No need to scream "get a life"... there are valid points on both sides
So I take it from the amount of butthurt, that if Imperials weren't a preorder bonus and standard in the game, That the entire game would be in fact, nothing but imperials.
Cause this amount of butthurt over a race that most of you won't play anyway is pretty hilarious.
What are you talking about? FFXIV didnt make you buy any game again. They made it F2P without a single cash shop item for about a year, all the while improving the game, before they started charging the sub again. Then rereleased the game and those that had bought the original got the remake free, including any and all CE items. And they sure as hell didnt say "Buy the CE and you can play as "
Say what you want about the game and/or its customer service ... theyre the one company who hasnt tried conning its MMO fans/players.
Happy to add amusement to your life, sounds like you need it.
To be honest I just don't care either way, if it's a full race or a vanity item. As I said, I have little interest in paying a few bucks extra for just another human race (I already have 3 to choose from). Also, keep in mind that the digital Imperial Edition (with a full month of game time included) is 80$. If you subtract the first month, it's 65$. 65$ isn't that bad. Any new AAA shooter is 60$ in comparison, for a standard edition.
The only thing I'm slightly disappointed by (now that the official info has been released), is that they decided to make all races available for all 3 alliances.
I don't agree with the people trying to claim removing race lock violates lore or will somehow ruin the PvP experience, but I do agree that it is disappointing. I think it makes choices more meaningful when there are more restrictions.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Lol seems outraged is the new in word to use..
in that case:
I am outraged at how little this means to me.. Will buy the game, will enjoy it, thats all!
The reason I'm a little disappointed is that it could hurt the sense of realm pride and as you say, locking it would make the alliance/race choice more meaningful. When I played Dark Age of Camelot, races were locked to realms and we made a lot of fun of the other realm's races (well, mainly firbolgs and lurikeens, but still...), and it added a lot to our sense of realm pride.
It's not a HUGE deal to me, I'll still be playing the game, but killing a fellow orc will feel weird. But then again, I've done so hundreds of times in Skyrim...
LOL Sub model with micro transactions, none cosmetic ones at that and this is before the game is released.
Haha have fun you suckers.Because that won,t be the last one.
The terminology they are using is a bit weird and confusing but I don't think you can have a "collector's edition" without actual collector's items. The retail imperial version (boxed set) is more in line with a typical CE version. The digital imperial version is more in line with a digital deluxe (download only) version which is usually in between the base and CE versions of the game. I guess it all comes down to semantics or interpretation.
Yeah, if we're being fair, they've never done a very good job on working the player's race into the narrative in any Elder Scrolls game, it won't be a departure that they failed to do so here.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Firstly i think people are going way over the top with their rage about this CE/Proder pack.
In the world of elders scrolls anyone who is a fan will realize that no race should be faction locked, that's not how any of the single player games play, if i want to play a Nord and kill Nords i can... Skyrim.
People who are raging over the play any race on any faction don't seem to realize that this is very good, my ONLY issue with the game was i wanted to play Breton and my friend Nord, and that meant we could not play together unless i was forced or he was forced to play something we did not want, is that a good game? no it is not so thank you Zenimax for allowing me and my friends to all play together no matter what race we each decide to pick.
For all those worrying and raging that it’s a preorder, you do realize you can preorder the game on amazon/game.co.uk right now for FREE get the preorder code, add it to your account unlock all this content and then cancel your preorder so then you will always have the unlocks? So don’t claim poverty or time limited because ALL have the chance to do this right now regardless of when you decide to buy the game.
Imperials
IMO this was always the plan, it was the only race not in the game due to the 3/3/3 faction race and i think they had this plan all along but kept it a secret a) for CE and b) to build gratitude and hype for people wanting to play an imperial and as any faction as a neutral race.
- - -
I myself will be playing an imperial as i think they look amazing and this also means people who lets say want to play certain factions can always play a human race no matter what faction they want to pick.
I don't get how people claim to love and support the elder scrolls series and them blatantly spit in the face of the devs who brought us this amazing game, if you don't like it don’t but it, I’m not forcing you to buy it, they are not forcing you to buy it. do NOT buy this game and then complain about issues and slag them off, its like someone buying mass effect and then saying then skip all quests and hate story, its just silly.
I have preorder physical CE and can't wait for this game to come out, i hope it does very well and the community grows strong.
yeah And they could consume their enemies with fireballs from their eyes, and bolts of lightning from their arse.
Sad but true. A lot of games our making us pay extra for stuff that is a major part of the game. I remember when Mass Effect 3 added the DLC with the Prothean character. A major character who many felt should have been included originally in the game. There was also the talk of DLC content already being in the game from the start and that it was just made unlockable for extra money.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
1 race is not a major part of the game though is it, they want people to buy CE and giving something good is better than something crap like GW2 or SWTOR. you will not die if you do not buy IE for an extra £20, and pre ordering is free and you can just pre order get the code and cancel your pre order and whalla you have the race crossover unlocked, are people that ignorant? they did not think about doing that?
I think people are just raging for the sake of it, want the race pay for it, simple. people sub to WOW for years and then an expansion come sout, they buy it, for the new zones and class and race, do people moan about that? so ESO charging for Imperial race is no different than wow charging for worgen, goblin, draenei, blood elf, padaren.
Selling exclusive races, especially ones that were prominent in the SPG games (you know, with the ES fans?) is not a good idea.
Just wondering if people get upset or outraged by a video game I wonder how they will act when it's actually something meaingfull in life and they get upset or outraged. Unless games are the ony meaningfull thing some people might have in life.
I really don't get why people get upset by the pre-orders. If I would really want that race/bonus/advantage I simply buy the pre-order. But in all fairness it doesn't effect me. There still will be a majority that didn't pre-order and besides that I think pre-order players can turn out to be guildleaders, helpers, the ones that might spot certain bugs/issue's before I might be at their level.
In fact I am far more worried by F2P games that are sandbox. EQL/N are allot lower on my wish list because of that.
Also with this pre-order you actually seem able to see who pre-ordered. With F2P games you never know.
Overall just find it silly how people can get outraged by someting you actually have a choice in in getting or no getting.
Think some people forget that this is a entertainment genre and not something that should be that important to be outraged over.
I think it clear that the people who hate the game are just pouncing on this detail to bash the game. It's still just wild speculation as to how this will all play out. We don't know all the details.
What we know:
-pre-order with the 20 dollar Imperial addon will entitle you to the Imperial race options
-it's been stated that the option will be available for purchase after release
What we don't know:
-will there be an in-game option to gain access to the Imperial race options?
If there will be a way to get access to this by some quest or maybe after completing some/all of the faction content then all this wailing and gnashing of teeth is for nothing. If there are no plans to give an in-game option I would have to agree that it's a bit over the line with respect to being a sub game. A sub game should give access to all the content and I would consider race options as 'content' not 'fluff' or 'cosmetic'.
Either way I don't think it's nearly as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. If the CE didn't have anything worthwhile many of the same people would be flaming them for ripping people off with a CE that sucks.
Yet despite it all, it falls right in line with everything else they have done, which is make a game not for TES fans, but for DaoC fans..........and now all is not rosey on the DaoC fanboy front either. That's what happens when you try to be everything for everyone. Should have either made a TES MMO, or remade DaoC and not try to do both as they are polar opposites.
This wasn't the beginning and it wont be the end of their trying to please everyone. Cant WAIT to see what is next!
"People who tell you youre awesome are useless. No, dangerous.
They are worse than useless because you want to believe them. They will defend you against critiques that are valid. They will seduce you into believing you are done learning, or into thinking that your work is better than it actually is." ~Raph Koster
http://www.raphkoster.com/2013/10/14/on-getting-criticism/
i understand people not liking things in games but atleast i understand there will never ever be a game that has the exact details and mechanics i want. In any way. If i find a game that i like 80% of it then that is great because developers dont make games exactly for me or make payment models exactly for me. I dont like that a race can join any alliance now but i understand why they did it. But i am not going to come on here go crazy complaining like my life is over because of it. I will still buy the game, enjoy, and sub to it. Understand that there will never ever be a game that has all the features you like and problem will never ever be a game that hits 90% of it.
Just relax and enjoy it for what it is, it entertainment from a video game. You dont have to analyze every single detail like you work for NASA and building a spaceship. And people here are analyzing every little detail that comes out. Not even talking about just the CE but everything.
FYI, just using percentages as example because i know somebody on here will ask me to prove it lol.
Yeah, I'm sure historians will be writing scathing remarks about it for thousands of years to come.