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elders scrolls online/underwater swimming?
handlewithcare
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are we going to be able to go underwater and do combat ,pick up items.
most mmo games you can go under water,if not I will be very disappointed.
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No talking about the game - You are under an NDA if you played the beta.
Its in a developer interview...
you can not swim underwater, Zenimax decided that it was not worth spending resources on it... Which is a smart decision... Because swimming underwater in heavy armor gets you killed...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Really......
Well technically swimming in heavy or even medium armor or light armor that is absorbent or easily tangles leads to swimming underwater and not being able to surface...which usually leads to death so...
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Try a MUD today at http://www.mudconnect.com/IRL yes that would be true but ESO are set in a fantasy world that everything can happends so yes IMO Zenimax are just plain lazy simple as that.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Well technically swimming in heavy or even medium armor or light armor that is absorbent or easily tangles leads to swimming underwater and not being able to surface...which usually leads to death so...
IRL yes that would be true but ESO are set in a fantasy world that everything can happends so yes IMO Zenimax are just plain lazy simple as that.
Maybe they could make a Submariner Edition Preorder Pack that lets you dive for an extra $20?
Oh I agree with you and spizz,these games aren't supposed to be ultra realistic.
I was just pointing out what a flimsy excuse Lord.Bachus was using to justify no underwater swimming by extending it further.
EDIT: Now if he'd said they chose to not do underwater vistas and instead invested in a larger on land world he may of had more traction.
I lolled.
Actually its not even funny...... Main problem this game currently has is people that want to play it but dont want to pay for it...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
+1 to lord.Bachus
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And I thought the problem was that they are taking way too much money. Silly me.
Oh well, wait for the lifetime subscription. 50$ box price + 200 for the life sub means you get a B2P package for just 250$.
That's only 5 times as much as the competition wants and ESO is soooo special that you just can't miss out on this bargain.
/nerd*rant_on
I hate when developers give shite excuses to limit the world. At least be honest. "Yes, I guess we could have shifted some of the resources from all the voice acting over to various areas for fine-tuning and we'd love to have all this stuff in the game but we simply must launch, at the insistence of people who know fuck-all about games in general much less an mmo, so that they can hopefully start raking in the cash over and above their initial investment".
I'm sure many will say that the absence of swimming doesn't affect immersion but it's the little things that can really make or break a game for me. Limiting the invisible walls and where you can take your avatar are not really small details to me. Can't climb this hill...can't jump but must walk around a pebble e.g. Dragon Age ( jumping is required period but I prefer a stamina limited jump mechanic to prevent ridiculous bunny-hoppers)..can't swim or really use terrain in your strategy for attack or approach of a situation or enemy. Things like this taken individually may not seem like much...but ,to me, they will add up to a lackluster experience.
On armor and swimming in rpgs:
Old school AD&D , which was the fantasy rpg which inspired just about all rpgs period, had armor encumbrances that would affect swimming. Of course you also needed the skill to swim even without armor. It was also routine for magic armors of any type to be considerably lighter than standard armor and many would allow for swimming or, at least, traversing through water with minimal encumbrance or penalty.
/nerd*rant_off
Thats not a smart decision actually because in Elder Scrolls theres always under water exploration, not to mention that takes away from one of the Argonians primary abilities. It really makes no sense at all. I guess you never player Morrowind and got Goldbrand because if theres no under water anything than we will never experience anything like that in ESO which makes it very un Elder Scrolls in my opinion.
I do agree if done right,it might take a lot of work,but i also feel it should be in our rpg's.It is one of the peeves i have about my FF series games,none have water zones.I do NOT agree with the way GW2 did it,not at all.
I think fact ZENI has mentioned they can't afford the resources to make it,reaffirms what i heard from Sqaure Enix on some quality of game design,it is just too costly and sadly our games suffer for it.Every single game no matter how much you like it will have several corners cut in it's design.
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Agreed, now that's funny:)
And then the people who like voice overs rage because the quality of acting or amount of voice overs is too low, etc. As far as the things people love to bitch about underwater content is low on the list. EQ had an elaborate underwater zone, but it was difficult so it sat empty. Good use of resources huh?
Well technically swimming in heavy or even medium armor or light armor that is absorbent or easily tangles leads to swimming underwater and not being able to surface...which usually leads to death so...
IRL yes that would be true but ESO are set in a fantasy world that everything can happends so yes IMO Zenimax are just plain lazy simple as that.
Maybe they could make a Submariner Edition Preorder Pack that lets you dive for an extra $20?
expect it! or as a cash-shop unlock... pathetic.
Then why can't i create a big huge all mighty weapon out of thin air?Its ESO ,anything can happen so why not this?
Reality within the boundaries of fantasy.
Other games offer $60 for life sub? Never seen that. You really think $50 too much for box, which is the usual price for single or mmo? $15 month sub=usual. I do agree that CS with sub is BS (as well as CE having Imp race), but every time I see people complain on price seems like they just want free game. They spend $100 mill+, but should be free to play where they have to change gameplay to direct you to CS. I'd rather pay the 50 cent per day and not deal with that crap, but no-subs of $15/month was too much and everyone had to scream for free games, so now games are designed to nickle and dime, instead of designed to keep you entertained to keep sub, and most tourists just jump game to game and no one wins.
There is never enough time or money to get everything in from the get go so many companies adopt a spiral development model, but most people on this site have no idea about Program/Project Management and how decisions are made so threads like these really make me laugh.