22,000! Are there still empty patches of space anywhere?

EgaoNoGenki · January 2006

Whenever I can afford to play the game (somehow w/o compromising my academics), I'd like to build my own space station in an empty spot in space. When 22k people are online at once, with more logging on, there will still be parts of space that I can see no spaceships around from, am I right?

(What does it take to build your own space station btw? And can I ever look inside of one?)

VortecsOcUK · January 2006

There are a number of different types of station in EVE, some of them you can only build in unclaimed space, some you can build in low security (<0.4) some of them you can build in higher security (<0.8) however all of them cost a huge amount of money to actually build.

If you can find the funds and have the skills to actually do it (probably take 6 months to do from scratch if you know what you are doing) then you can find somewhere to put it, the majority of "available" places to put a station are relativly underpopulated, however some of them have been "claimed" by other corps, so you may need to choose wisely.

The only really overpopulated places are the regional empire hubs (Nonni, Jita, Sobaseki, etc) the lower security you go the less populated it is.

Glenndo · January 2006

There certainly are still areas where you won't bump into another soul. However big swaths of space are "claimed" by certain factions, so you may attract attention from the locals if you are trying to build something. I would say, a small bit of diplomacy would clear that issue up easily though.

I've been playing for a year, and there are large portions of space I haven't even explored yet, so don't worry about it being crowded, if you are looking for a nice quiet (but lawless) system.

Valkoris · January 2006

Go to your map.

Put on the filter of the number of people who have warped into systems (or somethign to that effect.)

The places that don't have a yellow blob covering them are empty.

Enjoy.

Dinion · January 2006

Originally posted by VortecsOcUK

If you can find the funds and have the skills to actually do it (probably take 6 months to do from scratch if you know what you are doing) then you can find somewhere to put it, the majority of "available" places to put a station are relativly underpopulated, however some of them have been "claimed" by other corps, so you may need to choose wisely.

Um do they even require any skills past anchoring I?

Valkoris · January 2006

It wouldn't take six months. At most you need around a billion ISK. If you rush to Batttlecruiser and do level three missions eight hours a day you can prolly grind out the funds in a week or two.

Let's say an average 750k a mission. About 750 LP per mission as well. So about a 70 million bonus every 20000 lp. And you're shooting for 1000 or so million. Each mission takes I'd say an average of forty five minutes. So in three hours you do four missions. In those three hours you earn three million. So right there a million an hour. Give it another 50% from all the wreckage and you get 1.5 million an hour. The most I've ever made in a l3 mission was close to 12 million because of lucky drops, just to give it perspective. With the loyalty points it's over 2 million extra per mission so in the three hour chunk it's gonna yeild you eight million extra.

So, in three hours you can earn a grand total of about 10.5 million. In six hours 21 million. Six hours a day for a week is 147 million. If your lucky with loyalty points that number will be much higher. If your lucky with drops that number will be much higher. But my original statement is off. Rounding it to 150 million a week it would take around 7 weeks to earn one billion ISK running level three missions.

binjuice · January 2006

But mind you, doing lvl three missions for grinding can get tiresome, seeing as lvl 2 in a kestral get tiresome.

EgaoNoGenki · January 2006

I've seen LOADS of ISK being sold on eBay, so I could take that kind of "express" lane and build a space station faster.

(What happens if someone gets caught, and how does someone get caught?)

Also, how often does someone get caught? ISK auction listings are still going strong, so I don't think often enough, right?

Unknown · January 2006

You should let everyone know that's where you got the money from. They'll admire you for going to the extra effort and RL money for the game.

binjuice · January 2006

Or just laugh at/scorn you for it...

Valkoris · January 2006

Originally posted by binjuice
Or just laugh at/scorn you for it...

That's the irony.

Anyway, I find that by cycling activites in EVE (pvp vs. missions vs. mining) with other games (GTA, FEAR, etc.) Everything stays fun for me. For instance, I just found a level 3 mission I've never done before.

Dinion · January 2006

Originally posted by Valkoris
It wouldn't take six months. At most you need around a billion ISK. If you rush to Batttlecruiser and do level three missions eight hours a day you can prolly grind out the funds in a week or two.

Where in the hell do you get a billion ISK from ::::35::

?!? I don't even think the most expensive large tower POS setup possible would bring you anywhere near a billion ISK.

Valkoris · January 2006

Originally posted by Dinion
Originally posted by Valkoris
It wouldn't take six months. At most you need around a billion ISK. If you rush to Batttlecruiser and do level three missions eight hours a day you can prolly grind out the funds in a week or two.

Where in the hell do you get a billion ISK from ::::35::

?!? I don't even think the most expensive large tower POS setup possible would bring you anywhere near a billion ISK.

Large tower is gonna be 250 million or so. Then with all the equipment and junk another 250-500 million (I'm guessing) and then enough supplies to last the POS for a month or two.

The real goal of the post was to point out that making money is fairly frivolous. Not specifics of how much a POS would cost. Just that it is attainable. The real trouble is playing with a couple of guys and all of you working together to not only be able to fly the industrial ships but to work together at the same tiem to deliver the parts.

virtruvius · January 2006

there are alot of empty space around the universe. most of the 22k players are in safe space, (the amount of systems are roughly 50/50 safe/unsafe) but to get into the nether regions where you can build your own station are not that simple. you either have to be in a large corporation or alliance who control that space. or start your own and get friendly with the locals there.

they do patrol their claimed systems and if they spot someone they dont know, they will shoot.

so once into said system. and you want to build something.

there are 2 kinds of station. the uber station, which is just that a station, but costs around 30billion to build. and a huge manpower to get the resources there, and to then defend it from others. and the POS (player owned structure) which is more like an army barracks or the like, where you have labs hangers moon mining structures and defences. but you cannot dock inside it as such.

skill wise, it will take you a good 12 months before you have the skills required to fly the ships to get them there, and the building skills to actually build it.

these stations and structures are generally for the rich, or large groups of players. a long man, will unfortunatly never be able to build one, let alone defend it from upto 100 players shooting at it.

but there are much smaller operations you can build, very simple ones, that will only cost you a few hundred million. or you can log onto the test server and build it there, things are cheap there (meant for testing) but it does let you do what you want.

Dinion · January 2006

Originally posted by Valkoris
Large tower is gonna be 250 million or so. Then with all the equipment and junk another 250-500 million (I'm guessing) and then enough supplies to last the POS for a month or two.
The real goal of the post was to point out that making money is fairly frivolous. Not specifics of how much a POS would cost. Just that it is attainable. The real trouble is playing with a couple of guys and all of you working together to not only be able to fly the industrial ships but to work together at the same tiem to deliver the parts.

Ah ok well I'm just trying to point out that it doesn't take the uber rich to have a POS, if you're into the NPC hunting side of the game you can get yourself a small one for under 100mil and fuel costs aren't bad.

Desron · January 2006

There are 2 big diferences between what you guys are talking about. First you have the POS (Player Owned Structure) that is most likely a moonmining array with some defences and some refineries.

Next is an actuall outpost. Outposts can't be build without sovereignty in that system (that means running a shitload of large POSes). When you have that Then you must maintain those POSes and start getting the money to build a real outpost. 1 bil ISK is not going to cover the costs for a real outpost will be around 20 bil ISK and next to that all the money you'll need to keep the POSes fueled and running. So completly not to be done by one person at all.

With that kind of money you need to run an allaince. Believe my I know what it costs because I'm in an Allaince that runs about 5 of those baby's atm.....

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