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Some of my comments got deleted in the past few days. I realized that I was breaking the NDA. It's just that the comments are overwhelming and I think the moderators are limited.
Moreover, Zenimax are handling over beta invites for literally everyone who wanted to try the beta. Do they realy think they'll be able to handle the rush of NDA breakers?
I am only targeting those who did sign the NDA. This post was directed at those. I only direct it to people who are replying to the thread because I am not going to ask any of you whether you personally signed it or not. To do so would be asking you to break the NDA and would kind of work against me in my argument I think.
Of course if you signed no NDA and are merely piecing your opinion of the game together from the multitude of press videos out there...you are doing nothing wrong.
Most of the observations people make are easy to do through watching a video. Not everyone got into the beta. those who didn't get in, are also not under any obligation to not talk about content which has been streamed, authorized by Zenimax for discussion (Angry Joe as an example, or just seen in the games own footage. I wouldn't make the assumption someone is under an NDA without making sure they actually are.
If the Non-disclosure agreement that a press entity signs is different from the one we sign, they don't have any impact on each other. You can have a separate agreement for different groups.
I also never said anything about being illegal. Though I do strongly agree that it is unethical.
They didn't agree to a different one, they were told by ZeniOnline that they had permission to talk about certain parts of the game.
Or as Angry Joe pointed out, he received an email saying that he was allowed to talk about certain things.
I completely agree.
I didn't direct the original post to every single person on this forum. It was just directed to a lot of people. What I would consider to likely be a majority. It is those people who use phrases such as "During this beta weekend I thought" or "After playing this weekend I'm not going to buy the game" (or vice versa). I can't know who is who, but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of blatant violations here. There was even a thread that extended to more than 20 pages specifically asking if people will continue playing the game based on their experiences this weekend.
I apologize for anyone who thinks I'm directing this at you when you actually are not in beta and signed no NDA. I am not pointing fingers, you just have to ignore it if you aren't in that list. The people who are in the list clearly know who they are.
If you work in law, or if anyone else does perhaps they can enlighten us on the matter. However, my basic knowledge would tell me that if a company wants to selectively allow certain people to discuss their private intellectual property they can choose to do so. I don't see how that changes the rules for those who were not contacted directly.
You make a point.
It's like a blunder from Zenimax. They lift the NDA for press, press give negative reviews, viewers get negative impressions of the game, and now it's spreading like a plague.
When did I provide any comment on the rules?
You comment with an "if they", I simply pointed out that "they did not".
I provided no opinion on the "rules".
They might not be criminals, but what are they then? Rule breakers, agreement breakers, contract breakers, they are certainly doing something generally considered unacceptable in polite society, does their word mean anything? Perhaps not.
I think the NDA is silly, and unfortunately, when you share as much as they are doing, with so many people, and let press share information about part of the game, it gets very challenging for the moderators to know what is NDA breaking and what isn't, and with dozen's of threads everywhere the only practical defense would be to just shut down all discussion threads on the subject, and most of us wouldn't care for that.
Recall what we pay for this site.....nothing. Not like they can spend a ton of money chasing after the folks that refuse to behave appropriately.
You'll see, they'll try to catch the worst of offenders, but knocking them all down is likely impossible.
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I didn't actually realize you were a different person from the one I had originated quoted, so my response would be more directed at him. He made the argument that by allowing the press to publicly discuss information somehow makes the contract signed by everyone else null and void. I don't necessarily agree with that.
Directly at you; thank you for clarifying. I stand correcting my expectations that they agreed to a separate contract. I don't necessarily believe that changes much for the rest of public (the non-press who continue to accept the NDA when they join the beta weekend). However, I realize you personally made no comment either way on that topic.
I completely agree with everything you said.
Us. The players. We all know individually whether we signed the NDA or not, whether we played this weekend or not. We all love video games, we wouldn't be here if we didn't. Perhaps I went about it the wrong way but I would just ask that those of us who were able to play this weekend remember that the developer/publisher continues to wish to keep the game under an NDA for us (the general public). Regardless of whether you agree that it should or shouldn't be under NDA, we should all do our best to respect their wishes. These people are working hard to make games for us (whether we like the games or not), and they deserve at least some level of respect. We can all together act a little more mature and honorably by acting responsibly and abiding by their wishes.
Believe it or not, I don't actually disagree with you.
People should respect the NDA, even if the developers don't appear to respect the fans of the series, and doing such silly things as have hundreds of thousands of beta participants and only allow the press to talk about the game.
But then I also have issues with many aspects of marketing, and the NDA lift for the media is entirely a marketing tactic. One that really blew up in there faces. EA did the same thing with SimCity and I got burned by a bunch of media hype that praised that game, only to end up purchasing a broken product that after almost a year still doesn't work properly.
Thankfully I was able to participate in the ESO beta, but that's all I'll say about that.
I think people would be more likely to follow the NDA if the company had not given out beta keys to a million people and their asshole uncles.
Pretty much anyone who wanted one got a key. If they were serious about an NDA then they would use a smaller focus group to test. When you get to a million beta invites the time for NDA is pretty much over.
However I do try and follow the NDA and have held off giving my thoughts on things that are not released to the press yet.
Similarly I agree with most of what people are saying about the NDA. I agree it shouldn't be there at this point. I draw the line when people think that just because they disagree with it means they should ignore it. That just doesn't compute for me.
Then you have my respect.
Sadly, there are many many people who do not. Obviously those people are unlikely to care about whether I respect them or not, but I still felt like I should at least try to remind more people to do the right thing.
EDIT: I now have to go to sleep because it's 10:40 am and I'm post-call. I have a headache. So I won't be able to respond to anything else on this thread for awhile.
Hit the nail on the head there.
To the OP,
Due to all the media reviews and gameplay videos released already by the media there isn't any "hidden parts" left. Everything has been covered by the media already and out there for discussion. In fact, I can't seem to find anything that has been posted that hasn't been released by the media so far. You can pretty much follow the whole thing from character creation to over level 10.
Now if a person can't comment or /rebut what an article is about (other then other members of the media) then they wouldn't have a comment section open.
Probably why partial liftings of NDA aren't very effective.
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We are actually having a discussion about this? Amazing. Lets try to keep it going: how legal binding is NDA? Can you be taken to court? How can they prove I read and clicked "accept"? Simply clicking a button does not equal my signature, since anyone could've clicked it.
Moving on, NDA was in part lifted for the press. So really, commenting on that, using information from the press and so on - it's impossible to say who's breaching NDA and who's not. After all this is forum, people talk here.
And last point: you are actually supporting greedy corporations over customer's rights? If they have a good product, they would show it off. We are seeing zero marketing activity here coming from them. So it looks like "hush, hush, buy our product, it's really good."
So yeah. I fought the law and the law won?
Lol, you somekind of e-boyscout? Wtf do you care if other people talk about some game? Disrespectful my ass, they are trying to sell a product via preorders while hiding it as much as possible.
I would like to clarify that I was only pocking a little fun at the OP's thread.
And partial lifting of NDA's are incredibly effective when it has a positive outcome. SimCity is a perfect example. However, it didn't work out quite the way ZO expected it to.
But fear not, they have another one planed just for AvA.
Exactly this.
I could show you the links to dozens of videos, reports, screenshots ALL from press/reviewers. There is tons of content available, we know a lot about the combat, PvP, most/many skills, classes, the sub fee, the graphics, the animations, etc.
So far, the higher level zones haven't been shown yet and I haven't seen anyone commenting on those here (or anywhere else), only speculation.
You do realize that with 17 posts in this thread out of your 235 lifetime posts since 2003 means that you've now used up your yearly allotment of posts.