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Who makes decisions? You make the decisions as a consumer!
Hrotha
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Who makes these decisions? You make these decisions as a consumer! The old phrase "When will you learn?" Why do you think the Imperial was chosen as the paid race? Because it represented the most-played class in Oblivion. Everything is messured, everything is taken into account. What Bethesda here does is simply exploiting. You as a consumer decide how to react.
Rant, rant, rant. But in the end you will buy the game anyway. Every rant is obsolete when there is no ACTION followed. This action right here says: Decisively Not Buying the Game. If you still buy the game, the developers will mostly agree on the decisions they made and will continue to do so for all the other upcoming titles in the future, looking at their numbers that show how many individuals bought the game.
Of course you can compare surely 90% of the entire gaming community as frogs sitting in a slowly boiling pot of water because you deal with the most lethargic individuals existing on this very planet! Why do most gamers play games? To flee from reality because they can't handle it. Leaving them to be easily exploited by their very industrial mothers providing them entertainment. And yes I was one of them once. I do not raise myself above anyone else, I am just saying this to give a complete picture.
It is every individuals right to see behind this or go on and continue to be in the mist, rather than rising above it.
It is by far not enough to trust developers who claim they listen to gamers and hand in patches lateron. It is about buying a car that works in all it's aspects from the get-go and not needing overhauls every week to properly run. Buying a game just for the sake of bridging Real Life gaps with entertainment, where you should actually grow and evolve in other means, is just disgusting.
Every gamer shapes the quality of games being produced by developers by his and her own consumerist decisions. There are No exceptions!?
Rant, rant, rant. But in the end you will buy the game anyway. Every rant is obsolete when there is no ACTION followed. This action right here says: Decisively Not Buying the Game. If you still buy the game, the developers will mostly agree on the decisions they made and will continue to do so for all the other upcoming titles in the future, looking at their numbers that show how many individuals bought the game.
Of course you can compare surely 90% of the entire gaming community as frogs sitting in a slowly boiling pot of water because you deal with the most lethargic individuals existing on this very planet! Why do most gamers play games? To flee from reality because they can't handle it. Leaving them to be easily exploited by their very industrial mothers providing them entertainment. And yes I was one of them once. I do not raise myself above anyone else, I am just saying this to give a complete picture.
It is every individuals right to see behind this or go on and continue to be in the mist, rather than rising above it.
It is by far not enough to trust developers who claim they listen to gamers and hand in patches lateron. It is about buying a car that works in all it's aspects from the get-go and not needing overhauls every week to properly run. Buying a game just for the sake of bridging Real Life gaps with entertainment, where you should actually grow and evolve in other means, is just disgusting.
Every gamer shapes the quality of games being produced by developers by his and her own consumerist decisions. There are No exceptions!?
This trend shouldn't be allowed to continue.
Be mindful how you approach this very topic. It shapes your own gaming future.
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As a gamer you dont make any decisions... You only can point out the things you dont like..
and the the developers can decide to do something with that information...
but if you think that customers opinions are highly vallued... They are not....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Your best bet is to give up gaming I think. This has been going on with businesses forever and the gaming industry is no different. There are just too many people who don't think like you and who really don't care. They either like something or they don't. If someone doesn't have the same outlook on things as you do, it doesn't make them wrong or naive it makes them human.
While I do agree with you on some points, nothing is really going to change because the majority of people who play these games never even visit websites like this because they are too busy playing their chosen game and enjoying themselves.
I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.
They did a lot of things I like, and a handful of things I didn't like.
How, exactly, does not buying the game clue them in to which of their decisions fell under which category?
(And yes, you can ask exactly the same question for the opposite decision.)
It's really simple.
I buy things that are worth the money to me.
ESO is MORE than worth my money.
Do I like everything about it? No.
Do I like the pre-order/CE scheme? No.
Do I expect developers and publishers to do everything to my liking? No.
There's no message I can send that will tell them that, unless I don't buy the game that I consider worth my time and money - which would be a false message and it would hurt myself and change nothing.
Your opinion and actions only make a difference if you are one among many. An example of this was the protest against the Mass Effect 3 ending, the 'hold the line' movement that shook EA to it's core, even to the point of affecting their share value. This forced EA to wake up and do something about it. I can't see that happening over a cosmetic race in the ESO CE. When it comes down to it the Imperials are not the worst thing in the CE, the free horse is. Imagine the outcry if Zenimax had given buyers of the CE 47k of in-game money, which in a roundabout way they have with the horse but because it isn't cold hard cash in the hand nobody has batted an eyelid.
That said I have still pre-ordered the game but the standard edition instead of the CE.
OP would be right if it was a game where you should buy anything for real cash: waana quest - 1$, wanna weaponsmith profession - 5$ and alike.
Only then could one influence anything. If Pork Slayer profession is unpopular, developers would cancel it; if Great Cocroach Arena is the mosty popular, they will put more of that content.
Unsubscribing tells nothing, except player explains in details: I liked A, B, C and hated everything else because of... (list of logic arguments).
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Exactly!
Companies don't care about customer opinions but they care about customer money. It's simple enough - if the game has more negatives than positives for you then don't buy it.
Only way to act unless you are hopelessly addicted to playing new mmos, especially now when there are so many f2p/p2p mmos around.
TESO spent a lot of money on the game so they really need players if they don't want to go f2p fast. Even if you want to give the game a try , wait a few months and buy it during a sale(Rift droped under 10 pounds quite fast, same with TSW and other mmos) or if/when goes b2p/f2p. Worst way to go when unsure about the quality of a game is to buy it at launch - even after Warhammer,Aoc,Aion,FFIV (first version),SWTOR some people don't seem to learn.
Agreed !
If I refused to buy any game that had features I didn't like, I'd never buy any game. I'm not "offended enough" by the CE content to refuse to buy the CE, let alone the standard version. If the Imperial race was totally absent from the game, I'd still be playing ESO.
People will only rally behind a "cause" if they are sufficiently affected by something. And that "cause" will only have a vague chance of making any difference if sufficient people support it totally.
I wish you good luck in your crusade.
Sadly, the average gamer (consumer) has no influence on the game's real decision-making and developement (Unless we are talking about different projects, such as kickstarters.). At the best, a gamer has the power to report bugs and/or suggest fixes, but unless there is an truely organized movement (group of consumers), then the product will not easily change.
The only true decision an average consumer has is to stop using/paying, but what if one would only want improvements? After all, this is the game many of us have been waiting for; The first Elder Scrolls Online.
That is quite an offensive way to view gamers. Every individual has their own reasons for gaming. Some might, as you put it, do so to "flee reality", but others might just do it for the entertainment/passion as a hobby. One must also remember that gaming, especially MMOs, is also a great "pathway" for social interaction.
We?re all dead, just say it.
It is. And so far 90% of the posters on this thread reflect my personal experience which I have expressed in the initial thread: Feeling and seeing themselves utterly helpless and more or less as victims.
"I am a victim because I apparently see myself in a need to consume such a form of media and you (the developer and the publisher) can do with the product you present to me whatever you want, as long as you present me a finished product with which I can bridge / kill time."
The voice that a gamer has, is his consumist desicions in Buying or Not Buying a product.
A Yes or a No to all the decisions that lead to the finished product you are about to consume.
You have all the information now presented infront of you that needs to be addressed by simply not buying ESO (at this stage) and show the correct feedback to the Publisher Bethesda.
We have said this many times to you before and at a certain point you have to make decisions for yourself. The consequences of simlpy buying the product and feeling helpless, which you are not, will follow and present themselves to you as a further reduction in quality and a further limitation in terms of gaming freedom.
Just try it out how it feels for you right now: Picture yourself not buying Elder Scrolls Online for exactly this reason of not following the trend presented by Bethesda's business model in selling the title. Can you feel your addiction and that you are so weak, mentally, that you will buy it any way?
This, is the power the game industry has over you.
If you feel less to no movement in emotions, then you are many steps ahead of the crowd. And have learned.
In all honesty, I've been defending ESO against the irrational criticism every time simply because I really believe most criticism didn't make sense.
But this class advantage in the CE is really bullcrap.
I kind of agree with this.
Honestly OP, I think the rant is yours because you and people who think like you are angry that not everyone shares your opinion/stance on the matter.
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No I am not angry. I see myself no longer part of this addictive cycle of escaping reality.
I just see the continuum of mistakes gamers do by blindly consuming. The frog in the hot water is a perfect example.
After playing last weekend and seen how much the game improved overall from previous betas i have to say that im between the edge and the wall. I want to buy the game but i dont want to support their CE/pre order scheme, and if i wait post launch i will be stuck paying the same subsctiption as everyone else while my gameplay will have race/faction restrictions that shouldnt be there.
I hate when companies exploit consumers like this because they know a lot of people dont care and will spend the money. My money is valuable to me and if my experience is limited while paying the same as everyone else i will not give them money. But i want to play the game. Mind as well wait for a F2P conversion and buy the restriction unlock in the cash shop
You are VERY correct Op but sadly most of us learn our lesson's too late.Geesh when i was younger i bought every single game that came out,i was feeding bad game development,helping devs post big numbers.I even spent quite a lot of money in cash shops,but no longer i have made a firm stand to not support anymore lame developers.
Luckily for me i loved an early 2003 FFXi by Square Enix and so far aside from slow moving on cheating,they don't try to rip me off with any cash shops.They don't have CS even in FFXIV either,so they are still a decent legit developer.I do understand for many a game turns the tide mid stream,they feel slighted but can't do anything about it,so some stick around even though the developer is being a jerk.
I see a crowd funding attempt,i am automatically not supporting that game,i see cash shop unless it is geared to spend no more than a reg sub fee,i am not supporting it.The problem is cash shop games is that even if it appears fair,it is not because the investment into the game will be far less than if they knew they had sub fees to recoup the investment.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
What class advantage? If you mean Imperials, they're a race, not a class and you get no advantage by playing one. That would be ridiculous . . . if it was an advantage then no one would play any other class . . .
Even though I pre-order Imperial CE, I'm pretty set on Dunmer as my race - it's nice that I get Imperials, but I'm probably not going to play one, at least not as my main.
Customers could have POWER to make decision only if we where communicating in an adecvate and constructive way. Unfortunatly this is not possible because people are indifferent. And the problem is also in arrogant spoiled kids who just want what they want and they want it and nothing else matter. Who u can make a corporation listen to community when our voice represent voice represent 1 % of all customers. So no chance because reworking soming will waste lot of money and might even delay release of product. Not worth for such a small voice ....
I played games for 14 years and if I don't like something is because I've seen every thing and I knew and can bring example that this that isn't that good. What modern game reviews do? They just share their firs felling and move on baseing their argumment son no experience or fact or other game.
Shorter screw everything waste of time ......
I'm sorry I could be misinformed, I hope I am.
But doesn't races come with certain abilities and traits? And doesn't it mean those abilities and traits are only available to CE owners?
Bologne !
There has already been TONS of proof that developers will make change IF they are an intelligent developer.
There was a f2p game about 3 years ago that took a ton of heat for the cash shop,i believe it was a Russian game posted and advertised here.Well it lowered the prices by half ,it had to or people were not going to play it.
Sure there are super high overhead operations like SOE and EA who would rather shut a game down than invest in it,but then if you stop supporting their new games,they might begin to listen.I(f they can simply make a fast quick cash grab then they will continue to not care,shut the doors and release another game.
Look at Square Enix,they took a lot of flak for FFXIV,they listened and set out to invest tons more and make it better.
Aion went through several big changes all because of it's Korean Feedback.
Some developers do listen,like i said the smart ones,the others just cut their losses hanging gamer's out to dry.Look no further than all those who loved SWG,well i bet you Smedley wished he listened now right?How about a all those who invested money on cards in their MTGT game,SOE left those gamer's out to dry.How about Vanguard,some players invested time and thought they had a game to enjoy,wrong plug pulled.
There has been a lot of layoffs and games pulled from both SOE and EA,the trend is proof,they are developers people should not be supporting.Notice that when FFXIV struggled bad out of the gate,no layoffs,sure they changed positions but did not pull the plug and start laying off hundreds.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Well, right there we have a difference.
I don't consider it "escaping reality" any more than going to the gym is escaping reality or going out to dinner or practicing.
My reality is pretty good why would I escape it? Do I like filling my time with fun engaging activities? yes. Do games fulfill these activities? sometimes.
Do I play games I find fun? yes. Do I stop playing games that are no longer of interest? yes. Do I do my "due diligence" before I buy a game? Yes.
ESO is a non issue to me, I find it fun and will play it until I no longer find it fun. /end story.
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