ESO is not ready for release. The press has been right on and those who claim the press is lying are people who haven't really looked at the game in depth or objectively. They simply liked a few things about it (maybe just the name alone) and fell in love. It is the press's job to cover everything, not just one thing like people want them too.
ESO is Skyrim-lite with social functions tacked on. It starts out great in the tutorial then it just dies. Combat is a travesty that makes WoW combat seem advanced. All prior ESO games had far better combat. If you are jus tlooking for story and don't care how bad everything else is and plan to quit once the story is over, then ESO is perfectly fine now.
They need to spend another year working on it. Instead they are pushing ahead to release it asap.
#2 Any post that parrot's the word "entitlement" over a needed server stress test disguised as a BETA with 15 minute video opinions (see #1) isn't serious about having a discussion about the game.
My post was completely lost on you. I'm talking about the current mindset of large portion of the MMO community and their impossibly high expectations.
No it wasn't, it was a rant how 30 year olds (average age of CPU gamers) that give an opinion/critique and/or criticism on a product are "entitled".
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Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Regardless of how critical the reviews might be, the fact remains that Zenimax has an NDA in place that prevents discussions. The press are allowed to post reviews about their experience in the game, but since they had to start from the beginning, those reviews will all be focused on the starting area experience, and the systems that you can access early on.
I'm sure we all remember Age of Conan? Probably one of the absolute best and most fun MMORPG's ever to hit the market, until you got to level 20 and left the starting area of Tortage. Then all the voice acting went away, all the clever quests disappeared, and you were left with a pale husk of grinding your way through generic levels of content, on an engine which performed badly when outside the short-draw-distance confines of the starting areas.
Will TESO be like that? Or will it get better as you hit the later content? Past history with dozens of MMO's suggests the odds of it getting better are pretty slim, and the fact that they keep the NDA in place lends credence to that conclusion.
If they really have faith in the quality of their game, they would lift the NDA entirely and let the long-time beta testers tell us about the later content (or lack thereof). The fact that they don't, makes me think they're following the same old trend of making a highly polished newbie zone to draw people into buying it at launch, and then hoping they can finish the rest of the game before everyone gets out of those areas and gets bored.
Prove me wrong, Zenimax.
Actually for me, the game went from good to better while progressing further into the game.
First you have the I am dead and have to escape quest, which was fine, then the I have to do various stuff so I can get off the island, which was fun, and then the next area got even better ( not getting into this because it wasn't covered by the reviewers / nda lift )
Finally the RvR will be awesome ( just guessing / hoping, I don't know )
I wonder if the reviewers were playing the same game as I was playing.
Suggests that most of the beta players are liking the game.
But again, I think it is perfect that the gaming press is giving their "opinion" and saying it is not a great game and it will fail, go free to play, etc, because with of all the other big mmorpg releases the gaming press was generally very positive until the games burned down in a fire a few months after release ( WAR, AoC, SWTOR, ... )
So I generally only take game reviews into account when it concerns single player offline games, because generally the gaming press has no clue whatsoever about MMORPG's or what makes them great.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
People are saying the opening portion of the game is boring. I'd really like someone to make a video with a side by side comparison of ESO and WOW; just pure gameplay for the fist 30 minutes.
One where you're breaking out of a Daedric Prison surrounded by the likes of Michael Gambon, John Cleese and Jennifer Hale. The other where you're killing wolves in Northshire Abbey.
The MMO crowd have become so entitled they don't know a good thing when it slaps them in the face. It doesn't help that Skyrim is an impossible game to follow. The bar was set so high for ESO that it was always going to be this way.
Maybe they are saying it's boring because it is boring. Instead of comparing it to WoW which is moronic I might add, because 10 years ago that starting experience was fresh and new. Now it isn't so much. Instead compare it to Skyrim! Where the player has freedom to go where he wants. Now apparently the game opens up immeasurably later on down the line, which his akin to the Single Player Experience. This is a good thing. SO why not start off with this? Do a quick 5-10 min tutorial that shows you moving, combat and looting and places the player in the world. Now give him a an objective to meet someone down by the first village but give him the freedom to explore a ruined fort on the hill and a dungeon full of undead to either side of the player. Freedom of choice, the hallmark that the single player games were built on would do a lot to WOW people. Well that and fixing the slowness and clunkyness of the combat.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
The problem with the Press is most of them are no more qualified than I am.
I was discussing this early today with a friend when we were playing Age of Conan: Unchained. As much as I enjoy watching some select gaming Youtube channels, most of them have absolutely no weight to give their opinions. As much as I enjoy watching AngryJoe's channel, his tag line is literally: "Just one Guys Opinion on Games, Movies & Geek Stuff", yet a number of his viewers treat him exactly like a real critic.
crit·ic
noun
1. a person who judges, evaluates, or criticizes: a poor critic of men.
2. a person who judges, evaluates, or analyzes literary or artistic works, dramatic or musical performances, or the like, especially for a newspaper or magazine.
3. a person who tends too readily to make captious, trivial, or harsh judgments; faultfinder.
No, he is definitely a critic. What I do find funny is that whenever someone says something they don't like, they go well out of their way to attempt to dismiss them. Stating things like "no weight to give their opinions" as if there is something in the world that magically makes an opinion go from nothing to something. And better yet, actually tried to make "professional" critics seem as if their opinions matter more than others.
It just goes to show just how desperate fanboys are right now.
Its got nothing to do with like but everything to do with credibility. In order to make a legitimate comment on anything you need knowledge, experience and a level of competency otherwise you're just some random spewing out words from your auto bias filter.
I couldn't be less interested in what some halfwit, inexperienced, moron has to say about anything. These people only have a following based on personality association.
People are saying the opening portion of the game is boring. I'd really like someone to make a video with a side by side comparison of ESO and WOW; just pure gameplay for the fist 30 minutes.
One where you're breaking out of a Daedric Prison surrounded by the likes of Michael Gambon, John Cleese and Jennifer Hale. The other where you're killing wolves in Northshire Abbey.
The MMO crowd have become so entitled they don't know a good thing when it slaps them in the face. It doesn't help that Skyrim is an impossible game to follow. The bar was set so high for ESO that it was always going to be this way.
Maybe they are saying it's boring because it is boring. Instead of comparing it to WoW which is moronic I might add, because 10 years ago that starting experience was fresh and new. Now it isn't so much. Instead compare it to Skyrim! Where the player has freedom to go where he wants. Now apparently the game opens up immeasurably later on down the line, which his akin to the Single Player Experience. This is a good thing. SO why not start off with this? Do a quick 5-10 min tutorial that shows you moving, combat and looting and places the player in the world. Now give him a an objective to meet someone down by the first village but give him the freedom to explore a ruined fort on the hill and a dungeon full of undead to either side of the player. Freedom of choice, the hallmark that the single player games were built on would do a lot to WOW people. Well that and fixing the slowness and clunkyness of the combat.
Compared to most other MMORPG's ESO has a lot of freedom. Both in exploring the world and advancing your character.
So in that regard I am Wowed
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
It suggests that of the people in the beta who come to MMORPG.com, and may or may not have played the beta have some sort of opinion. Being honest, the site may not be a cesspool, but I don't think it's representative of most MMO players, it caters to a hardercore group of players.
It's possible that many people were playing and had an opinion good or bad who have never heard of MMORPG.com, that poll, or anything like it.
Don't put too much stock in the results from a poll here, or think that it represents either a target game market, or the "typical" MMO player.
When it comes to the press, all their reviews are, is an opinion. That's it.
It's no better, or any less one sided, than your typical gamer. Don't believe me? Look up Greg Miller reviews on IGN.
Here is an example, the press loved TOR. I mean loved it overall (Look at the average on Metacritic) 75 critics gave it a score of 85 out of 100. Pretty much it got universal acclaim, some even said the collectors edition was great. So by those rules, back when TOR launched, the haters of ESO who blindly follow press reviews here, would have made the headline, "THE CRITICS LOVE TOR! THAT MAKES IT GREAT". Along with telling people who disagreed with the reviews they were wrong.
Did that make it a better game? A universal favorite among MMO players? No. Did it stop it from going free to play and shutting down servers? No.
So there is some press who don't like it? Who cares.
So there are some cry babies spewing hate about ESO, that sums up to, "It's not the game I wanted!". Again who cares?
Not the people who enjoyed the beta, and already pre ordered, that's for sure.
I agree with you OP, ignore the negative and just play the game.
Only reason I am here, is Massively sucks a big whale dork (a dork is really a Whale Penis. You sea what I did there?), when it comes to gaming news and articles.
Suggests that most of the beta players are liking the game.
Not exactly.
It suggests that of the people in the beta who come to MMORPG.com, and may or may not have played the beta have some sort of opinion. Being honest, the site may not be a cesspool, but I don't think it's representative of most MMO players, it caters to a hardercore group of players.
It's possible that many people were playing and had an opinion good or bad who have never heard of MMORPG.com, that poll, or anything like it.
Don't put too much stock in the results from a poll here, or think that it represents either a target game market, or the "typical" MMO player.
Sorry correction, most of the beta players from mmorpg.com are liking the game, me included.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
I am so tired of the Gaming press slamming a game before the Beta is over. ESO should not have dropped the NDA. It could kill a game like this especially with a subscription model.
The problem with the Press is most of them are no more qualified than I am. I have been gaming longer than most of the MMORPG staff have been alive. I could have beta-tested PONG. But they didn't let us and we were so excited by it we didn't care about the bugs.
I am also not a Elder Scrolls Fanboi. I can take it or leave it. Will I buy ESO? Probably not at the moment but not because of the press but because I cannot afford the time for another game. I play LOTRO and that's about all I have time for. But if I had the time I would play ESO.
What pisses me off is that these horrible press reviews can kill a game before it gets going. W.O.W. would die at launch if released today. 2 hour queue's. Horrible crashes and bugs that weren't fixed for months and an Endgame that required 40+ raiders with an insane lockout and Random loot drop that meant it could take more than a year to get your gear. Hardcore all the way. I loved wow. I put up with all of that because the rest of the game was awesome. But if it was released today you wouldn't hear about the awesomeness...All you would hear are the bad things. Hellgate London died because it was released way to early and they didn't have enough servers....Hmmmm Sounds familiar...
I'm Out!
It deserved all the bad press it got. I suggest deal with it.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.' -Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid." -Luke McKinney
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ESO is not ready for release. The press has been right on and those who claim the press is lying are people who haven't really looked at the game in depth or objectively. They simply liked a few things about it (maybe just the name alone) and fell in love. It is the press's job to cover everything, not just one thing like people want them too.
ESO is Skyrim-lite with social functions tacked on. It starts out great in the tutorial then it just dies. Combat is a travesty that makes WoW combat seem advanced. All prior ESO games had far better combat. If you are jus tlooking for story and don't care how bad everything else is and plan to quit once the story is over, then ESO is perfectly fine now.
They need to spend another year working on it. Instead they are pushing ahead to release it asap.
No it wasn't, it was a rant how 30 year olds (average age of CPU gamers) that give an opinion/critique and/or criticism on a product are "entitled".
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.
Actually for me, the game went from good to better while progressing further into the game.
First you have the I am dead and have to escape quest, which was fine, then the I have to do various stuff so I can get off the island, which was fun, and then the next area got even better ( not getting into this because it wasn't covered by the reviewers / nda lift )
Finally the RvR will be awesome ( just guessing / hoping, I don't know
)
I wonder if the reviewers were playing the same game as I was playing.
And the poll here :
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/403072/page/1
Suggests that most of the beta players are liking the game.
But again, I think it is perfect that the gaming press is giving their "opinion" and saying it is not a great game and it will fail, go free to play, etc, because with of all the other big mmorpg releases the gaming press was generally very positive until the games burned down in a fire a few months after release ( WAR, AoC, SWTOR, ... )
So I generally only take game reviews into account when it concerns single player offline games, because generally the gaming press has no clue whatsoever about MMORPG's or what makes them great.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Maybe they are saying it's boring because it is boring. Instead of comparing it to WoW which is moronic I might add, because 10 years ago that starting experience was fresh and new. Now it isn't so much. Instead compare it to Skyrim! Where the player has freedom to go where he wants. Now apparently the game opens up immeasurably later on down the line, which his akin to the Single Player Experience. This is a good thing. SO why not start off with this? Do a quick 5-10 min tutorial that shows you moving, combat and looting and places the player in the world. Now give him a an objective to meet someone down by the first village but give him the freedom to explore a ruined fort on the hill and a dungeon full of undead to either side of the player. Freedom of choice, the hallmark that the single player games were built on would do a lot to WOW people. Well that and fixing the slowness and clunkyness of the combat.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
Its got nothing to do with like but everything to do with credibility. In order to make a legitimate comment on anything you need knowledge, experience and a level of competency otherwise you're just some random spewing out words from your auto bias filter.
I couldn't be less interested in what some halfwit, inexperienced, moron has to say about anything. These people only have a following based on personality association.
Compared to most other MMORPG's ESO has a lot of freedom. Both in exploring the world and advancing your character.
So in that regard I am Wowed
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Not exactly.
It suggests that of the people in the beta who come to MMORPG.com, and may or may not have played the beta have some sort of opinion. Being honest, the site may not be a cesspool, but I don't think it's representative of most MMO players, it caters to a hardercore group of players.
It's possible that many people were playing and had an opinion good or bad who have never heard of MMORPG.com, that poll, or anything like it.
Don't put too much stock in the results from a poll here, or think that it represents either a target game market, or the "typical" MMO player.
When it comes to the press, all their reviews are, is an opinion. That's it.
It's no better, or any less one sided, than your typical gamer. Don't believe me? Look up Greg Miller reviews on IGN.
Here is an example, the press loved TOR. I mean loved it overall (Look at the average on Metacritic) 75 critics gave it a score of 85 out of 100. Pretty much it got universal acclaim, some even said the collectors edition was great. So by those rules, back when TOR launched, the haters of ESO who blindly follow press reviews here, would have made the headline, "THE CRITICS LOVE TOR! THAT MAKES IT GREAT". Along with telling people who disagreed with the reviews they were wrong.
Did that make it a better game? A universal favorite among MMO players? No. Did it stop it from going free to play and shutting down servers? No.
So there is some press who don't like it? Who cares.
So there are some cry babies spewing hate about ESO, that sums up to, "It's not the game I wanted!". Again who cares?
Not the people who enjoyed the beta, and already pre ordered, that's for sure.
I agree with you OP, ignore the negative and just play the game.
Only reason I am here, is Massively sucks a big whale dork (a dork is really a Whale Penis. You sea what I did there?), when it comes to gaming news and articles.
"What tastes like purple?"
Sorry correction, most of the beta players from mmorpg.com are liking the game, me included.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
It deserved all the bad press it got. I suggest deal with it.
"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell
"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney